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Old 10-28-2004, 10:25 AM - Thread Starter
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Don't make too much of this MB, at least yet. I basically set: 1080i HDMI, 16:9 screen size, auto pillarboxing, blacker than black, LCD screen type. *Quickly* set black levels and then ran with it.
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Old 10-28-2004, 10:28 AM - Thread Starter
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Hello Jason,

If you could post several interior shots that would be great. I'll link to them in the main posting.

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I would like to know how well the S97 scales letterbox DVDs.
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Next obvious questions:

Is DCDi used for component outputs as well?

Any obvious picture quality differences between component and HDMI?

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bfdtv,

I took a *very quick* look at the zoom function. It seems to work pretty good but it does introduce some artifiacts. Quick, initial viewing indicated to me that the zoom picture quality is not as good as the Momitsu's. The range of zoom appears to be be quite extensive as has been in recent Panasonic players.
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Please, if you will sir(s), "macroblocking"? Present but what is it exactly?
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Do you have the momitsu or are you working by memory? I also wonder about how it compares to the Zenith 318.....same chipset?
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Do you have the momitsu or are you working by memory? I also wonder about how it compares to the Zenith 318.....same chipset?

No, the Zenith uses the FLi2301. The Panasonic uses the same FLi2310 found in the Denon 3910.
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Old 10-28-2004, 10:49 AM - Thread Starter
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Please, if you will sir(s), "macroblocking"?

Here is a thread to get started with macroblocking:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=448668

LOTS of debate on it -- basically, its a compression artifact that certain, recent Faroudja deinterlacers seem to exaggerate -- and looks like little squares (blocks). It's not always seen and its visibility can depend upon the DVD, monitor, and screen settings.
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Old 10-28-2004, 10:51 AM - Thread Starter
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Do you have the momitsu or are you working by memory? I also wonder about how it compares to the Zenith 318.....same chipset?

Tup,

I have the Momitsu V880 and Panasonic DVD-XP50. I no longer have the Denon DVD-1910. I do not have or ever used the Zenith DVB-318.
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Even if the DVD-S97 uses the FLI-2312 chip, will there be problems? I thought I recalled there were problems with the FLI-2312 in the Secrets web site.
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Even if the DVD-S97 uses the FLI-2312 chip, will there be problems? I thought I recalled there were problems with the FLI-2312 in the Secrets web site.

...but the DVD-S97 uses the FLi-2310....as seen in the pics.

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Next obvious questions:

Is DCDi used for component outputs as well?

Any obvious picture quality differences between component and HDMI?

OK...so I guess it does use DCDi for the component outputs as well, since it scaling there as well (and on the FLi-2310 can do this). Cool.

What about the MPEG decoder? This is what I am really interested to know. THe cheapo version, or the same/similar part from the RP-82/XP-30/50?

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Thanks Paul.

What kind of Panny TV do you have?

What looks better? 480p or 1080i from the S97?

How about between HDMI and component?
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Thanks Paul.

What kind of Panny TV do you have?

What looks better? 480p or 1080i from the S97?

How about between HDMI and component?

Panasonic TC-22LH1 LCD. Will be connecting to a Hitachi 32HDT55 plasma later.

Have only tried 1080i. Didn't have time for 480p evaluation. If anything different from the 1080i is noted at 480p the difference will be posted in the 480p section.

Have not tried component at all, but will.
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Thanks Paul. I also did a search and came up with this:

Originally posted by Bob Pariseau

"Macroblocking is a type of over-compression problem that can be found using any player on some commercial DVDs where the producers weren't careful enough when they made the DVD transfer.

The "Macroblocking Bug", on the other hand, is a bug in some players that causes video noise to be emphasized, and is usually first seen as what appears to be excessive macroblocking noise, even though the same scenes play just fine on other players.

So most players will exhibit macroblocking if you play a poorly produced DVD. And some displays will emphasize minor, thoroughly ignorable, macroblocking typically found on mid-quality DVDs if the display is not correctly calibrated. The point being that just because you see "macroblocking" does not necessarily mean you are seeing the "macroblocking bug".

Players with the bug -- players that exhibit the problem even with good DVDs and well calibrated displays -- appear to be limited to players using a particular Faroudja video chip. For reasons not clearly understood, not all people who have these players see this problem. It may be related to an interaction between the damage the player is doing to the image and subsequent display-dependent processing such as scaling going on in particular displays -- processing that would be done differently or not at all on some other display. It may simply be that the bug appears only in a fraction of the units manufactured. No one seems to know for sure. The point being that there are many happy owners of the players that are known to have exhibited this bug in someone else's setup.

Even in players which are known to have the bug, the problem does not appear if you use 480i output. The Denon 3910 shows the problem on it's Component 480p outputs but is almost entirely free of it at one specific resolution on it's digital outputs. Thus depending upon your intended use, even a player with the bug may work just fine for you even if you have the type of display that seems to make the bug visible.

However, players without this particular Faroudja processing do not appear to exhibit the bug with any displays at any resolution using any cabling. The Pioneer Elite 59avi, for example, appears to be free of this problem."
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Old 10-28-2004, 11:10 AM - Thread Starter
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Thanks Radsman,

Good description by Mr. Pariseau.

Again, wouldn't make too much of MB issue yet. I should know more tonight.
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I wonder how this unit compares with the Denon 3910! =)
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Didn't take long for that! I don't have that player.
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Will you be able to test HDMI to DVI? To test clipping?

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Hello Todd,

Yes, I'm going to check out the HDMI-->DVI clipping. Just keep an eye on the first posting of this thread. Won't be until this evening at the earliest.

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I'm dying to know. My flakey Momitsu wants to know too.
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Paul:

You gotta watch some anime for review!! That's how I would use for comparision against other units!
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I'm dying to know. My flakey Momitsu wants to know too.

I'm right with you Todd, this is a big thing for me too!!!

All: I find it hilarious how many posts we are doing on this thread now all of a sudden that someone has a unit in their hands. Like wildfire!
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Shame it won't support 480i over HDMI. I don't understand why they don't support it, I can't imagine leaving the information alone is very hard to implement.
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...the Zenith uses the FLi2301. The Panasonic uses the same FLi2310 found in the Denon 3910.

I have the Zenith with the Fli2301. Can I presume the Panny's FLi2310 to be "better?" What are the improvements from the latter chip?
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No, the Zenith uses the FLi2301. The Panasonic uses the same FLi2310 found in the Denon 3910.

This is what I found amazing. Panny delivers such a better chip (2310) at less than half the price of 2910 and so much less than 3910. Kudos to them for doing that. Just this chip makes it better machine than Denon 1910 in my opinion.
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I'm just excited to have this thing after months of delays and rumours.

"Yes Virginia, it does have Faroudja!"

The disc loader tray is clear like the 'S47 and it is illuminated by blue LEDs.

The player is quieter in operation than the DVD-1910.
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