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post #181 of 4322 Old 10-28-2004, 08:32 PM
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Unfortuately the panny site does not indicate whether they are in stock or not.
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post #182 of 4322 Old 10-28-2004, 08:37 PM - Thread Starter
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Yes.

The manual is packed with info. This is one loaded player.

Added a few more findings concerning:

White crushing
Non-Anamorphic zoom
480p HDMI Y/C delay
Subtitle sync
Audio/Video sync

Been enjoying this player tonight. Colors are excellent. Enormous detail -- much better than the Momitsu, in my viewing.

Navigating the menus is fairly quick. The Avia menu anomaly only happens with certain Avia menus. The main menus look/work OK. The lowest level menus behave strangely: The menu background shifts to 4:3 while the menu selection text is 16:9 causing a strange looking overlap. Menu operation is OK -- it just looks strange.

Has loaded and played every disc so far.

As far as animation, the Warner Looney Tunes Golden Collection looks outstanding. No problems at all. Sharp, vibrant, wonderful.

My apologies. I have not done the HDMI --> DVI test. I'll do it tomorrow. It's just too late and I'm bushed.

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Have a nice sleep Paul. You deserve it! Seems like you shall have a long day tomorrow as well testing this player and fielding Qs.
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Paul, count me as another one looking forward to a Panny XP-50 comparison when you can.

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Paul,

Can you check if it will play PAL dvd.
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Paul,

Since the red is out by 0.07 (missing units... specify), does that mean it's out of specifications?

Can you us in on how the unit compares to up the XP50?

For animation, it's a start for the Looney Tunes as a test. What I was intending is to use anime - the ones in question are the ones made in CG. Gundam SEED and Last Exile are two examples which can be used as a very good test for DVD players.

I guess you can buy one of the two and how it looks. I currently own both of the series and have the the boxes for them and collecting the volumes which are releasing on timely basis. LE is anamorphic widescreen while GS is 4:3.

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Paul - what are you using this player with: LCD, plasma, CRT, DLP??
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His first post mentions that. Display: Panasonic TC-22LH1 LCD HDMI 1280x720
His is also going to try out Plasma next
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Since the red is out by 0.07 (missing units... specify), does that mean it's out of specifications?

Only for the display to which it is connected. Even if the DVD player does not cause the delay, once it leaves the player other things can cause problems - cables, display electronics. The units are microseconds on Avia, IIRC.

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Paul,
What part of TX are you in?
I've got a 3910 and live in the DFW area. Would love to see how they compare.
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Paul,

When you talk about the lip synch, I see that it has the feature to correct this, but does it actually have any audio synch issues that you have noticed? DTS maybe?

The sammy 931 had a big audio synch issue. The first few seconds of chapter 2 of Saving Private Ryan DTS, was terrible.

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Brian,

I think Paul mentioned about Ultimate Electronics and they only have stores in DFW metroplex. Love to see a comparison between the Panny and the Denon 3910.
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Hello,

More updates (see main posting):

Note that a lot of the video sections are joined with the differences noted in RED.

No lip sync issues noted, but is adjustable.

The HDMI-->DVI was tried. I didn't see any crushing at any resolution but note that the "USER" setting must have the brightness set to +1 for the BTB to pass (HDMI or HDMI->DVI).

Freq resp / edge enhancement noted at various resolutions

XP50 remote can open/close S97S tray

Y/C seems a bit better with HDMI->DVI @ 720p

Basically, the HDMI->HDMI and HDMI->DVI looked about the same.

I don't have a PAL disc to try.

The only anime I have to try is Artisan's "Speed Racer" or "Mach-a-Go-Go" . I do have "Jonny Quest"!

Have not done any tests with component yet.

Have not compared with any other player (except with recollections from memory) yet.

Have not tried DVD-Audio yet.

Have not evaluated sound yet.

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I did pre order at onecall. Now just have to wait. Thanks for all the review. Big plus for no cropping from HDMI -----> DVI
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Overscan can vary from display to display but the Avia Pixel cropping went out to the VERY EDGE -- 0. On some 4:3 material a white line or other things could be seen at the very edge.
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Good news indeed. My Momitsu just let out a nerve shattering shriek "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"


Paul - can you elaborate on the Cinema1 / User Brightness +1 setting or any settings related to crushing? Is this an HDMI->DVI only applicable comment? What impact does the +1 have on the image?
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I suspect for a lot of people the decision for this player is going to come down to how much one can stand macroblocking. I couldn't really adjust it out. For dark scenes the brightness can be turned down, but that's about it. Applying some MPEG noise reduction can help smooth the blocks out a bit but at the expense of detail.

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Thanks for taking on the responsibility of providing all this excellent info.

To keep things very simple and in keeping with generally accepted reviewer lingo I gather it's safe to assume you feel this player doesn't suck.
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Darn... no PAL discs to try? Can anyone donate a disc for him? :-)

I would, but all my PAL discs are supposedly crappy transfers even when displaying correctly. ^_^;
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The "Cinema1" and "Brightness +1" applies to all resolutions and HDMI->HDMI and HDMI->DVI connections.

Any picture setting other than "USER" (with contrast set to 0) and "CINEMA1" will crush white.

I saw no downside to "Brightness +1" -- just had to reduce the display's brightness to make BTB blend with the background. However, I didn't see any real difference with setting the "Brightness +0" and setting the display's brightness back to where it was.

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onecall does not plan to get the player till Dec now Seems like no local store has even heard of the player (in VA atleast). Anyone? I want this player!
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Hugh2,

Right. I don't think this player creates a vacuum. Far from it.

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Paul: Now that you have done significant testing on this machine, what is your opinion. Good, Great, Excellent? Plan to Keep it and recommend it, over 1910, Momitsu, etc? Overall opinion.
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Mallu2u,

I think it is an excellent to great player (so far), with the caveat of "macroblocking" -- which can be personal thing, like bad pixels and contrast settings.

I plan to keep it. I like it better than the Denon DVD-1910 and Momitsu V880. Remember though, the Momitsu has, for some, a huge advantage in upconversion via component and no HDCP via DVI.

I'm far from finished from completing the evaluation.

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Paul, I will be using the HDMI to DVI connection for the first time when my unit arrives next Monday. I am pleased that you did not have problems with it.
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megamii,

I think you'll like it. I didn't see any problems with HDMI->DVI. No crush, no HDCP negotiation problem.

The unit is pretty solid. Feels sturdy. It's not heavy but doesn't flex like the DVD-1910. Leagues better than the poor Toshiba SD-5970. The 'S97S actually has 4 individual feet rather than the DVD-1910's front two feet and two rear pads.

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Anyone know where I can buy this player, besides onecall (out of stock)?
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Originally posted by Paul Bigelow

I think it is an excellent to great player (so far), with the caveat of "macroblocking" -- which can be personal thing, like bad pixels and contrast settings.

As far as the mb, is it any better or worse than the Denon players?

My girlfriend and I watched Mulan SE on my 1910 the other day and it has bad macroblocking problems in some scenes.

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Some of the movies I test with:

Singin' In The Rain (new Warner 2-Disc)
Robin Hood (new Warner 2-Disc)
Lawrence of Arabia (new Columbia Superbit)
It's a Mad, Mad, Mad World (original MGM)
Looney Tunes Golden Collection (Warner)
Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory (Warner)
The Big Country (MGM)
Ben Hur (MGM)
The Beatles Anthology (Capitol/EMI)
John Lennon : Imagine (Capitol/EMI)
Those Magnificent Men in Their Flying Machines (MGM)

Where's the new(er) stuff?!? OK.
Terminator 2
The Mummy
Star Trek : First Contact

Plenty of others, but these are the ones I tend to focus on.

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