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|Originally posted by pocoloco
Had a chance this afternoon to try out the HD941 and wanted to give some brief feedback for those considering this unit. My setup is hdmi to dvi (HT1000) via 768p output. I can't comment on HDMI - HDMI connections.
In a nutshell, this player has the negatives of previous generation sammy's:
- Does NOT pass BTB
- Black crush
Also, it has ZERO picture controls.
The only plus I can think of is that it scales to 1024X768... which is the reason why I wanted to try it out. In this regard, the picture is extremely sharp and focused. Slightly better than my panny S97 at 1080i.
In general, the picture is overly dark and black details are crushed. In avia, I could not distinguish the "Black" window from the 10 IRE window. I could not see any macroblocking since everything was so dark to begin with.
Colors are washed and blown out looking. Colors of the S97 look much more saturated and balanced.
I tried to adjust RGB gains and biases on my pj to compensate for this player and couldn't get it to look right.
I can't think of a reason why anyone would want to buy this player. The S97 outputs a much better picture and is loaded with features and picture controls.
Again.. this is going from HDMI to DVI. HDMI to HDMI may have different results, but I figure it will have similar problems.
|Originally posted by uddinz
I FYI - I also own a Denon 3910 which I may compare it to.
|Interesting. So black crush if HDMI-DVI, but no black crush HDMI-HDMI. This problems occurs with some other HDMI players as well.|
|Originally posted by dkyork
their tech support acts like I'm a dumba55 when I bring up black crush on the DVI.
|Originally posted by santellavision
The problem comes from the player doing the Y-Cb-Cr to R'G'B' prior to the HDMI transmitter. Is there any menu that says anything like 'Direct mode'? The Pioneer has a menu that allows, Natural or Enhanced. Enhanced enables the 'Black Crush' bug. Anything like that on the 941?
|Originally posted by TMLeader
ok, so it sounds like 941 is a failure for HDMI to DVI, clarify me if I'm wrong. I just bought the denon 1910 and the PQ is crisp at 720, however it jitters at 1080. Do you guys think I should stick with the 1910 DVI-DVI or exchange it for the 941 HDMI - DVI on a sammy 61" DLP.
|Originally posted by Foxbat121
We haven't heard anyone complaint about the DTS sound drop issue yet that plauged HD841 as well as HD931. That's the second most important issue to fix on my list.
|Originally posted by Kevin R. Anderson
The bottom line is that I think we need to be careful with generalizations that because a DVD player cannot pass BTB (meaning that it complies with NTSC and SMPTE standards of setting black level at 7.5 IRE), it necessarily suffers from â€œblack crushâ€ or is inherently inferior to a DVD player that can pass BTB.
Hopefully someone can do an accurate and objective test on the 941 (anyone with a waveform scope?) to see if it truly crushes blacks or merely complies with NTSC and SMPTE standards of setting 7.5 IRE as black.