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post #91 of 2153 Old 01-30-2005, 08:59 PM
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Hey guys - just watched an episode of Gargoyles (brilliant story telling and animation I might add) with the new firmware.

Macroblocking is greatly reduced! I think there are a few instances here and there, but for the most part it does not "jump out" like it used to. This is significant because I know that many have complained about animation (and specifically anime) not looking all that great. Gargoyles was not animated on a computer - it was still traditional cel based with the frame by frame shots.

The cel-based/computer animated shows most likely have the highest chance of macroblocking - somebody else will have to test this out. I don't think I have any "new" shows on DVD.

In the meantime, I wish I had waited a little bit before watching my Gargoyles Season 1 DVD. I only have one episode left and watched most of the other episodes while sighing about the macroblocking going on in the background. (mostly in the sky)
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CkRtech,

I believe it's the cartoon that was shown in the 90s right? Might be the same show that I'm thinking about. They lived in a castle right, and the they turn to stone by day, living by night? Also some rich guy owning the castle as well.

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I just flashed my s97.. very easy.. I have a usa region 1.. purchased in november... I have it running through hdmi into my ae700 ... I tweaked things a little and I can say the picture@ 720p looks a little "cleaner" than before?? I previously used 1080i..it just seemed just a tad more stable.. if that makes sense? but from the few reference dvd's I just tossed in a played with for a few hours..720p is now my preference.. anyways I do enjoy the menu response time being quicker and have noticed a slightly better picture.. I thought it was great before.. all I need now is to painlessly update my ae700 to get rid of the "white flash " problem and I am set... thanks again to all who posted the firmware and easy instructions... Tim
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Rocktim, I also have the same combo, S97 & AE700. The problem with Macroblocking was not that bad with the original firmware for me. I do agree that it is even better now. I have not seen any Macroblocking yet with the new firmware. It seems cleaner at 720p. but that could be just a perception since I can't compare the old firmware with the new firmware. I feel that for those who own the AE700 the S97 is the best DVD player to use. As close as we can get to HD quality at this time for the price. Regarding the "white flash" problem, I have been in touch with Panasonic and expect a response at any time. I will post it as soon as I hear.
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Is flashing the player and exchanging for a newer unit (assuming its a 536) accomplish the same?


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Originally posted by Boogie7910
Onecall.com is getting its new batch of S97's within the first week of February. I will be getting my replacement shortly thereafter. Hopefully it will already have the firmware fix.

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Yes. Assuming the new ones do actually come with the new firmware. The firmware update was built on Dec. 17, 2004. So, if the new players shipping now have a manufacture date of January 2005, those may have it....but they would be the first batch.

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The firmware could be somewhere in the range between 528-536 (not inclusive) for the newer batches.
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Originally posted by michaelggray
I just tried using both Roxio Easy Cd and DVD Creator 6 Drag to Disc and using Plextor Plextools 2.17 and both times the disc appears to write ok but when inserted into the player I get "This type of disc cannot be played". I made sure they weren't ISO format. On Plextools I was able to choose UDF. Not sure where I'm going wrong.

OK figured it out. Found the proper data writer in Roxio. Disc has been read and firmware update is complete.

Am I doing it wrong? I didn't use either Roxio or Nero. I just right-clicked on the file and selected Send to DVD/CD-RW drive (D: ). Then there was a second stage where Windows actually burned the file to CD. I haven't actually tried the firmware update yet. Is this not the correct method for burning the file? Am I going to mess things up? Thanks.
p.s. Also, I am using one of the smaller pocket CD-R's.
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After you burn the CD be sure you have the file on it. If the file is correct it should work. I would suggest that you use Nero or Roxio and do not burn a multi session CD. I would also use a regular size CD if possible even though the
small Cd should work. Be sure to have patience through the update process.
It will take about 5 minutes.
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My servicer has placed some inquiries and search the Panasonic site but have not been able to secure firmware yet.

Penton-Man I used your suggestion to help speed matters along.

It's funny - the S97 firmware is spreading like wildfire across the planet but the official service channels are only now sort of getting "up to speed".

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Any word on layer changes? Any faster?
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Bruno,

I haven't gotten around to checking this yet. I need to hook up an oscilloscope to the player's output to get a definitive answer. If I have time I will look at this tonight. Off-hand, does anyone know where the layer change is in say the Fifth Element Superbit DVD? I will use that DVD to check it. I should also check the WHQL disc as well....as this is what Kris Deering uses......but I need to get a copy.

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Originally posted by rwestley
After you burn the CD be sure you have the file on it. If the file is correct it should work. I would suggest that you use Nero or Roxio and do not burn a multi session CD. I would also use a regular size CD if possible even though the
small Cd should work. Be sure to have patience through the update process.
It will take about 5 minutes.

Thank you!
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Excellent, now the only thing need to be done is some one hack into this software and make it region free also.
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oh damnation! Why couldn't this firmware have come out sooner? I returned my panasonic s97 specifically because of the pink tint problem, and I have since replaced it with a zenith dvb318. Now I have to go through buyer's remorse all over again.
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A big 'thank you' to sango and liteup for posting the firmware update. I did mine without a hitch. Nice to see that red-channel noise and the MB brought down to FAR less objectionable levels.

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You replaced a S97 with a DVB318...OMG!!!

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oh damnation! Why couldn't this firmware have come out sooner? I returned my panasonic s97 specifically because of the pink tint problem, and I have since replaced it with a zenith dvb318. Now I have to go through buyer's remorse all over again.


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Originally posted by AkaStp
Paul Bigelow: whats this rumor you mentioned about a newer (than 536) firmware version coming soon?

I have just seen someone who upgraded to the newer firmware (540) in Japanese BBS site.
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Many thanks to Sango and liteup. It worked like a charm. You saved me a day off work and a 4 hour (each way) trip to Mississauga.

I first noticed the macroblocking problem when watching the credits on "The Ladykillers". The light was supposed to shine through the letters while the choir sang "Let it Shine On". Instead, it was just an inky mess. Now it looks like (I think) it's supposed to.

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Quote:


Originally posted by Sango
CkRtech,

I believe it's the cartoon that was shown in the 90s right? Might be the same show that I'm thinking about. They lived in a castle right, and the they turn to stone by day, living by night? Also some rich guy owning the castle as well.

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Indeed. Great series. Surprised that it was done by Disney of all companies. Wonderful references to Shakespeare and Arthurian Legend....and up until a few days ago, a splash of macroblocking.
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Great news tohoho! The Panasonic service person I spoke to suggested the next firmware would be out within the month and would solve the remaining pink problem (and any remaining macroblocking). I am going to call Panasonic Canada tomorrow and ask for version 840. In the meantime anyone who hasn't yet updated to v536 should do so as it is a big improvement. Maybe 840 is the version that eliminates it once and for all...

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Originally posted by lorenzow
I first noticed the macroblocking problem when watching the credits on "The Ladykillers". The light was supposed to shine through the letters while the choir sang "Let it Shine On". Instead, it was just an inky mess. Now it looks like (I think) it's supposed to.

I just realized that when I flashed the firmware it went back to 480p output. When I reset it to 1080i the macroblocking in the Ladykillers credits was back....

Thank you all anyway. It would have been worse had I made the trip and found out it didn't fix the problem.

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Gentlemen, I used the settings originally recommended in the S97 main thread.

Has anyone suggested any adjustments with the updated firmwear?

I only switched back to 720p.

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Originally posted by jakeman
Maybe 840 is the version that eliminates it once and for all...

Here is the site comparing the scene from "Master And Commander ".

http://rdx1.hp.infoseek.co.jp/cgi-bi...no2=15702&up=1

upper : Pioneer Theater System
middle : S97(firmware version 528)
lower : S97(firmware version 540)
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Tohoho, If possible could you let us know if their is a link to the 540 firmware on the site or where you can find the link. I can not read Japanese.

Thanks.
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Originally posted by tohoho
Here is the site comparing the scene from "Master And Commander ".

http://rdx1.hp.infoseek.co.jp/cgi-bi...no2=15702&up=1

upper : Pioneer Theater System
middle : S97(firmware version 528)
lower : S97(firmware version 540)


If you can't reach Link, you may first go to following URL.

http://rdx1.hp.infoseek.co.jp/cgi-bin/upppu.cgi

or

http://rdx1.hp.infoseek.co.jp/ and press Upper Left button ( AV ... )


And goto page 3, No.2933.
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tohoho,

If you can get the firmware...I can host it for all. I'd love to try 540 as well, if we can get it.

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Have you tried 720p?

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Originally posted by lorenzow
I just realized that when I flashed the firmware it went back to 480p output. When I reset it to 1080i the macroblocking in the Ladykillers credits was back....

Thank you all anyway. It would have been worse had I made the trip and found out it didn't fix the problem.


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It must be 540, because 840 is too high of a number to jump IMO!!
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Originally posted by LiteUp!
You replaced a S97 with a DVB318...OMG!!!

Off topic, but Yes... I replaced the s97 with a dvb318. And what's wrong with that? There's no need for anyone to thumb their nose at the zenith because it can hold its own against players many times its cost. At the time, I liked the s97's extra features and better build quality, but felt it did nothing special for double the cost of the zenith. I grant you the zenith is not perfect, but in my opinion, it has better picture quality than the s97 had with the "old" firmware. I had both hooked up for a short period to compare. The pink in the s97 picture made it unwatchable to me. Now it sounds like the latest firmware addresses the pink. I might consider getting another s97 if I get to see one with the new firmware and I find a buyer for the zenith.

Anyway, back on topic...
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