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post #181 of 1460 Old 03-06-2005, 08:21 AM
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BTW...anyone seen one of these in silver?

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I am thinking of upgrading to the Denon 5805 receiver. I'm having a hard time deciding on a matching DVD player. Currently I am using a Pioneer Elite 59TXi/59avi combo.

I will most likely hold of on the 3910 because of Macroblocking, green push, BTB, and other reported problems. I find this very unfortunate considering the price is substainly less and I believe the Audio will sound the same since I will be using Denon Link and the 1394 port.

I have a few questions regarding the 5910:

1. Does the 5910 have any of these problems of the 3910? I will be using HDMI on my Sony KDF-60XS955 TV.

2. Since the Sony KDF-60XS955 uses a 1386 x 788 resolution I would not be using the scaling feature of the 5910. Will the Denon be superior to my Pioneer? In what way? I'm afraid I will not be using most of the features of the 5910 making the purchase of the player a relative waste.

3. Has Denon resolved the SACD/DVA-A connection issues? Assuming I get a Denon 5910 how would I hook up SACD and DVD-A to the 5805 receiver? Has any actually hooked up the two pieces successfully?

4. If I use BM and distance settings in the received will their be a DSD to PCM conversion? If so, how do I avoid this conversion?

Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions. I want to make sure this is money well spent especially if I decide to go w/ the 5910 over the 3910.

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I am thinking of upgrading to the Denon 5805 receiver. I'm having a hard time deciding on a matching DVD player. Currently I am using a Pioneer Elite 59TXi/59avi combo.

Brian, I think you have a perfect combo already! What don't you like about it? Moving to the Denons is not neccesarily an upgrade, more like a lateral move IMO.

You might be setting yourself up for a "Bghead8che"!

If the 59TXi is anything like the 49, it's probably the best sounding receiver next to the Lexicon. Well I guess it comes down to if you prefer the Denon or Pioneer "house sound". Not to mention the 59AVi is a world class player.

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I have one question for 5910 owners, does it pass BTB? I have the 3910 09/2004 build date and it doesn't. As much I like the 3910 for features , I find that flaw unacceptable, my cheap $89.00 Panny can pass btb.
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Of course it passes BTB or else there would have been the biggest sh*t storm here that AVS has ever seen.

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I am thinking of upgrading to the Denon 5805 receiver. I'm having a hard time deciding on a matching DVD player. Currently I am using a Pioneer Elite 59TXi/59avi combo.

I will most likely hold of on the 3910 because of Macroblocking, green push, BTB, and other reported problems. I find this very unfortunate considering the price is substainly less and I believe the Audio will sound the same since I will be using Denon Link and the 1394 port.

I have a few questions regarding the 5910:

1. Does the 5910 have any of these problems of the 3910? I will be using HDMI on my Sony KDF-60XS955 TV.

2. Since the Sony KDF-60XS955 uses a 1386 x 788 resolution I would not be using the scaling feature of the 5910. Will the Denon be superior to my Pioneer? In what way? I'm afraid I will not be using most of the features of the 5910 making the purchase of the player a relative waste.

3. Has Denon resolved the SACD/DVA-A connection issues? Assuming I get a Denon 5910 how would I hook up SACD and DVD-A to the 5805 receiver? Has any actually hooked up the two pieces successfully?

4. If I use BM and distance settings in the received will their be a DSD to PCM conversion? If so, how do I avoid this conversion?

Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions. I want to make sure this is money well spent especially if I decide to go w/ the 5910 over the 3910.

Thanks.

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To answer the 5910/5805 question... I have the 3910 and 5805 and use the 1394 to pass both DVD-A and SACD. Include the audyssey EQ and it sounds fantastic. I wish I could compare this setup with others such as Anthem and Lexicon in my environment.

I would challenge the Stefan to listen to the Denon 3910/5910 hooked up to the Denon 5805 using Audyssey in pure direct mode. I am guessing he would dump the 59TXi. The Audyssey is that good. Anyway, that is my opinion.

To answer your last question, I think if the 5805 is in pure direct mode, DSD stays in it's original format.

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In the UK (at least) the multi-region firmware update is now available for the A1XV.
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In the UK (at least) the multi-region firmware update is now available for the A1XV.

From where/whom? I ask because my experience with Denon shows that it being available and actually being able to get hold of it can be different things!

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From AVLand, a brilliant organisation - no affiliation - helpful friendly guys & gals. They received the multi-region firmware update this morning, in the mail.
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Just finished setting up the Denon DVD-5910 in a Friends system (he is not an AVS'r so I will pass on our experience). He has the Anthem D1,P2,P5 combo, and a Motorola HDTV cable box with a Sim2 HT 300 E-link projector and a 106" diagonal Da-Lite Hi power screen. The speakers are Paradigm Signatures with the S8's in front, the C5 center, one signature servo sub, ADP's on the side, and a set of Theil Power Points in the ceiling for the rear.

We are running HDMI at 720P to the Sim2 and I have got to say the picture is absolutely stunning!! We were using the Sony DV-9000 which was no slouch, but the 3D dimensionality, color resolution, clarity and detail available is amazing. We demoed the "Asteroid Chase" in SW II and the 3D look of the image was very nice indeed. We have only had about an hour on the video portion so far but we were both quite pleased. We also played a couple of multi-channel SACD's (Roxy Music - Avalon, and Norah Jones - ?) Very moving audio experience. This was the first time since completing the Theater that we had had a chance to do multi channel music and we found it very impressive, especially the Roxy Music disk since it used a more aggressive surround sound mix than the Norah Jones disk. I also played an Acura DVD-A demo disk that came with my TL. It has a good variety of mutlti channel music and clarity and involvement provided was quite an experience. I mostly listen to two channel stereo at my home but found the multi channel experience to be very pleasing. Definitely a new dimension in sound.

We next played a variety of normal CD's through coax digital out comparing to the Sony, and I have to admit that I definitely heard an extra layer of detail and definition with a more involving sound stage then what we had before adding the 5910. I did not expect this from the digital outputs. We did not try the two channel analog out.

I can't wait to get back and do some more viewing and listening.

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Well I just heard from Denon customer service that they are not planing to offer a silver version of the 5910 in the US; even though there is apparently a silver version in Europe.

Now I can understand that the 5910 might be a lower volume unit so it would not be worth stocking two different versions but does that thinking not go out the door when they already have a silver version in a different market?

Now the aesthetics of my rack is way secondary to the aesthetics on the screen but if I had a preference I would prefer if everything matched! Maybe I will mod my 2900 with SDI and wait for a scalar with Realta technology instead...

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John,

Thanks for giving us an update after only reviewing the 5910 an hour or so. The audio sounds very impressive, as does the video.

I was curious how you would compare the video to the Sony DV-9000. If I'm correct, the Sony only has component outputs. I've spoken to a tenured and very knowledgeable (or at least he'd like you to think so) sales rep from a local retailer and he didn't seem to think too much about HDMI. I beg to differ, but try arguing with a sales person; it's a no gainer.

Thanks again!! I look forward to hearing more.

tb -- a friend of mine can paint almost anything, including my ski helmet ($20 for high grade reflective color-changing paint). Maybe you can find someone to paint your dvd player silver. But ultimately, as you mentioned, I would buy for video & audio quality, and live with whatever color it comes in.
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charlie1,

I will try to give a more thorough comparison of the HDMI vs component capability of the 5910, but I have to wait to get a problem fixed on the Sim2 video processor. We experienced an issue with the component inputs only, and we need to wait until we get it repaired. As soon as we get it back, we will be able to do a serious evaluation. Will keep you posted.

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tb -- a friend of mine can paint almost anything, including my ski helmet ($20 for high grade reflective color-changing paint). Maybe you can find someone to paint your dvd player silver. But ultimately, as you mentioned, I would buy for video & audio quality, and live with whatever color it comes in.

In the end I agree with you, just wondering why they would not offer it here as well as Europe.

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In the end I agree with you, just wondering why they would not offer it here as well as Europe.

Yeah...I wonder why as well. If I am not mistaken, as far as the exterior is concerned, the difference in a European model vs US model would just be the back panel.

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Just picked up the 5910 yesterday!
This thing is built like a tank, a very sleek tank at that.
I have it mated with the 5805 (via iLink),
a Panasonic AE700 projector (via HDMI),
and a 106" DaLite screen.
Last night I was able to watch one of my reference DVD's
(Finding Nemo).
The presentation most reminded me of "HD like".
Even walking right up to the huge screen, the fuzzyness was gone!
Everything about the video image has improved over my previous DVD players (3910, 59AVi, Onkyo DV1000 & 5900).
Beautiful rich colors, sharp, crystal clear images, deep blacks.... you name it the 5910 delivers.... I'm a very happy camper. Can't wait to pop in all my DVD's and enjoy them, maybe for the first time.
I knew my projector system could give me a huge image and a great picture, HD broadcast look outstanding, but I didn't think I could get such a great image on DVD's!

I think I just upgraded my entire audio/video system big time

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Does the 5910 come w/ all the audio cables? Ilink, denon link, etc?

If anyone knows where I can pick up a 5910 for a decent price please PM me!

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Comes with DenonLink cable, ILink cable, and crummy analog stereo cable.
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Can someone comment on the video quality in comparison to the Denon 2900. Because they use the same chip, it would be interesting to see the true side by side comparison.

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Can someone comment on the video quality in comparison to the Denon 2900. Because they use the same chip, it would be interesting to see the true side by side comparison.

Rob, The 5910 and 2900 do not use the same chip. Every part of those machines are different.
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I thought they use the same SI. Hmmm. I'm considering it for my Panasonic AE700. However, I am not ble to see one being that I am in a pretty isolated part of the US. Anyone have comments comparing it to the 2900 (PQ wise). Thanks.

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Not even close. The 5910 is better than the 3910, which is better than the 2900. According to Secret's, the 5910 is simply the best PQ on the market.
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Okay. I'm trying to obtain a "detailed" opinion of video differences between two very different Denon products. I'm not asking what is better. I would hope a $3-3.5k unit is better than their previous $1k product. It would be a hard sell otherwise. I'm aware of and respect the valuable progressive scan information Secrets has provided us through their research and testing. However, I'm looking for "Hey RobZ, I have seen both and the 5910 has......."

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Comes with DenonLink cable, ILink cable, and crummy analog stereo cable.

Just like the 3910.


Why in world would anyone spend $3,500. on a Denon DVD player with only marginal PQ at best over less expensive players, with probably undetectable sonic differences.

If you tell me that its worth $3,500. because it does not have the green push, ala the 3910, and that it will pass btb, then you might have a justification for purchasing it.

On the question of audio, I challenge Kris to conduct a ABX listening test between the 5910 and my cheap $129.00 Pioneer DVD player and then present his findings. I know the folks over at Secrets believe in ABX testing and they are in possession of an ABX Comparator.

Doing that would be great act of consumer advocacy. It would even add more credibility to an already credible source.
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Are you talking about via the digital output? If so there probably won't be any difference. The processor you are sending it to does the audio work.

If you are talking analog, I will definately take the Pepsi challenge on that one. The Denon stands up nicely against the $13K Teac Esoteric in most cases (especially MC DVD-A and SA-CD).

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Kris, in your opinion, would the quality of film based DVD images using a "lower or mid level" DLP or LCD (such as AE700 or HS51) be improved with the 5910 as opposed to a 2900, 2910, or 3910. In other words, would there be a significant enough difference to consider the upgrade? I appreciate your opinion.

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Definately an improvement over the 2900. The 2900 has CUE issues that kill it for me. It also doesn't have the advantage of DVI or HDMI.

The 2910 or 3910 would be much closer in overall level of video performance. I am not sure if the HS-51 is a display that shows the macroblocking problem that is an issue with the Faroudja chips. If it isn't, the 2910 and 3910 should look tremendous on the 51. The 5910 would be a step up with its excellent cadence detection and noise reduction capabilities but unless you are a REALLY picky videophile like me, the difference may not warrant the extra expense.

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You're darn right I'm picky, otherwise I wouldn't be spending my time on the AVS forum.

I bought the Sony DVP-S7000 DVD player (drop down front panel) when it first came out. I was struggling between it and one model down (the S5000??). The rep told me that the video circuitry was the same, but that the S7000 had improved audio. I asked to do a side x side comparison of the audio. WITHOUT A DOUBT, the audio was far superior on the S7000. But what I didn't expect was that the video was better as well (w/o details). I've never looked back on my purchase.

Here's my point. I ordered the Denon 5910 sight unseen, after having read various articles and forums. The small differences are what you get with higher end gear. That's what it's all about -- the law of diminishing returns. BTW thanks guys, you've been a tremendous help. IMHO I have no doubt that it's worth it, and that I'll own it for many years to come. Heck, I'm replacing the S7000 after about 8 years or so (I can't even remember, it's so long ago), or should I say passing it to the kids to use on their tv.
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With audio gear, you can't go by many of the specs. I've compared cheap gear to high-end gear, and have seen many of the same specs. You've got to go by your ears. There are many differences between components that aren't in the specs, they're in the listening of the person.
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I will say without even the slightest hesitation that the 5910 is the best all around DVD player I've ever had the oppurtunity to use, if that helps any. There are some other great players out there and to some the difference won't be tremendous, but for those of us that know what to look for and want the least amount of compromise on the market today (yes, there is ALWAYS some compromise) this is it for now. By years end I think there may be a few more options, but we'll have to see what compromises those bring too.

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