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I finally received my Panasonic S77 in the mail on Saturday afternoon. The PQ is outstanding in 480p through component. After trying many different players in the past month or so, I've finally found one that can match and exceed the Denon 2900 that I had. The picture was sharp and incredibly detailed. The image had that pop that the Denon 2900 had. In 480p through component I didn't notice any macroblocking. I used the HDMI to HDMI cable included with the player and noticed slight, yet noticable, macroblocking in 720p and 1080i. The reds also seemed maxed out; the red walls in Episode II seemed to be bleeding out of the screen and every person in Episode I looked like they were sun burnt. I unfortunately had to pick up a Monster Cable HDMI to HDMI cable that wasn't too cheap. Even though the cable was overpriced (typical of Monster Cables), it was a huge improvement. The reds were toned down to a realistic look and the noticable macroblocking is practically non-existent. I only noticed it because I knew exactly where to look (Episode II, Chapter 4) and honestly, it was practically unnoticable. By the way I have a Sony KV34HS420 CRT tv. Once you upgrade from the cheap HDMI cable that is included with the player, macroblocking becomes a non-issue. Watching Star Wars DVDs in 1080i is truly a thing of beauty. I couldn't be happier with the Panasonic S77.

Pros:
- Excellent PQ with both component and HDMI.
- Macroblocking practically non-existent.
- Very affordable; practically a steal for the price.
- Lots of features.
- Plays most discs (although I cannot verify which ones since I only use my DVD player for Region 1 DVDs).
- Slim design and light weight.

Cons:
- Cheap clear plastic disc tray.
- Cannot dim the display.
- The HDMI to HDMI cable included is very cheap and pretty much worthless (you will notice macroblocking with the included cable).
- No open button on the remote (not an issue for me at all, but I know that some people care and complain about it).

Overall:

The pros far out way the cons. The cheap plastic disc tray and not being able to dim the display are just very, very minor quibbles about the player. The PQ is absolutely stunning, plus I haven't received any disc read errors like I used to get quite frequently with the Denon 2900. The is the best DVD that I have ever owned bar none. You'd be hard pressed to find a better player for under $1,000.

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HDMI is an all digital cable. The monster cable is not better. The only way it could be an improvement is if the cheapo cable had interference or was run too long and you got sparklies. It's all in your head.
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jdawg131,

1.) does it have seamless layer change?
2.) can it play MP3s and JPEG off of a DVD?
3.) does it remember last position of a DVD when switching between different discs and then re-inserting?
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Yeah, the included HDMI cable that comes with the player seems fine to me.

Have you alternated between the HDMI cables back to back to make sure that there is a differences in PQ?

Also, what do you mean by not being able to dim the display?
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nothru22, I always heard conflicting reports about that. After judging for myself, I'm sorry but I'd have to disagree with you. There is a huge improvement. Also the cable run is about only a foot.

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1. The layer change is pretty noticable. It's about 1.5 seconds.
2. Sorry but I don't have any idea. I just use the S77 as a DVD player. I'm sure that someone else here on the forum can answer that question.
3. It will remember the last position if you hit the "Position Memory" button. There are 5 slots I believe. Once you boot the disc from the memory slot, it gets wiped.

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jrock65, the display on the actual player that has the elapsed time of the DVD or the chapter number (whichever on you have front display option you choose).

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Whichever of the two display options you choose. I really need to proof read my posts sometimes...

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nothru22, I always heard conflicting reports about that. After judging for myself, I'm sorry but I'd have to disagree with you. There is a huge improvement. Also the cable run is about only a foot.
You realize of course, that if you can get rid of Faroudja-generated macroblocking using Monster HDMI cable, then the Monster cable is distorting the image right? The macroblock is present in the source signal.

That's besides the fact that it is pretty difficult to near impossible for a passive HDMI cable to affect reds in the way you describe, especially when you introduce HDCP encryption of the SMPTE signal.
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I read a post about the S97 that said there was a menu setting to dim and turn off the display lighting. Are you sure there is not a menu setting for this with the S77? I'm starting to get second thoughts, I just can't stand bright displays or power lights. My reciever dims and so did my old Panny player from the remotes. The only lights I see are my displays power button and I plan on using an adhesive filter for it. Have you tried any DVD+R backups of your movies?

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dude, just stick a piece of black tape on the light. Not a big deal.
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ImJacksAmygdala, when you go into the menu settings and select dim, it turns the long blue light above the disc tray off. The blue light will only light up when the disc tray opens. It's actually quite useful when you switch discs late at night in the dark. The lit up elapsed time on the player isn't too bright. I'd prefer it to be a little dimmer, but it really isn't a big deal.

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jdawg, I am ressurecting my old quote just for you!

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Thats funny. No point in BSing yourself really.

When using HDMI the S77 will upconvert copyprotected DVDs correct? Its not just non-copyprotected DVDs right?

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Ordered the S77 today from ecost. Trying out the H850, and while I think I see marked improvement in PQ, for 50 bucks more, I figure I might as well get the best 200.00 player on the market. Plus, I really don't feel like getting sucked into the upcoming format war bs.
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1. The layer change is pretty noticable. It's about 1.5 seconds.
Wow. Isn't that worse than the S97 with the latest firmware?
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dr150, when I watched Return of the Jedi in 480p with component, the layer change was a solid 1 second or second an a half. It was definitely noticable.

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1 to 1-1/2 seconds??? My S77 doesn't do that (in fact, I've never seen a player that takes that long to navigate the layer change). It's a blip, but noticeable.
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nothru22, sfhub, ImJacksAmygdala, I have to admit that I was wrong about the HDMI cable. Last night after doing some serious comparisions, I honestly didn't notice any improvement. It was all in the mind. Needless to say I'm going to return the Monster Cable that cost half of what the player cost. I was wrong and the three of you were correct.

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Jdawg, it takes a MAN to overcome the "Monster Placebo". Kudos to you.

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Everytime I think of how much money I wasted on Monster Cables I get pretty jacked. I wasted $150 on their Z-Series component cables and $120 on Z-Series audio cables. Complete rip off. Luckily when I upgraded from home theater setup the good folks on these message boards where able to steer me away from the "Monster Cable" name. I picked up some Dayton Audio cables for about a 1/4 of what I would've paid for the Monster's cables. I wanted to upgrade from the included HDMI cable and the only HDMI cable that I could find was the over priced Monster cable.

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Belkins pureAV line can be found at affordable prices. At least half of the price of the Monsters.

I hope there is a S77 Secrets review soon, because now it sounds like the S97 is going to be re-released and now I'm not sure which to get.

Thanks for the sig nothru22, I had to shorten it though because of the 150 character limit...

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jdawg131,
Get Blue Jeans cables (www.bluejeanscables.com).

You can't get better for the money. Very highly respected.
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jdawg131, dont forget that analog cables can make a much greater difference than cables used for digital signals, though yes Monster cables are still too expensive for what you actually get.
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I was thinking about getting one of these players but it sure sounds like it is a P.O.S. Oh well, the search goes on but I'm am glad I stumbled across this thread.
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I was thinking about getting one of these players but it sure sounds like it is a P.O.S. Oh well, the search goes on but I'm am glad I stumbled across this thread.
:confused: :confused: :confused: what gives you the idea it's a POS?
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Charlie_Phogg, the S77 is an amazing DVD player. It has exceptional PQ; even better than the Denon 2900. I don't know how it compares to the 3910, 5910, or the Pioneer Elite 59avi personally though. From what I've heard, it's right there in terms of PQ, plus it's a fraction of the cost.

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Could you guys tell me how to select between 720p and 1080i with panny s77 player. I am using it with samsung hln dlp and the picture looks pretty good, but i don't know whether it's showing 720p or 1080i. Thanks
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jdawg131: for the hell of it I picked up the Monster 1000 HDMI cable, lets just say for that price you could almost buy another S77. The Pure AV stuff from Belkin is just as good and you can get a 4 foot HMDI cable online for about $40 bucks and shipping. Ironically I compared specs and between the two and they look almost identical on paper.

Also what are the main differences in the S77 verses the S97? I wanted the S97 but could not find it anywhere. The only thing I can see are the feet, are better on the S97 and it does PAL and a few other minor things differently.

http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/...lesrespons.php

I thought the above article was a very interesting read.

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