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So my last 2 movies I have played via the internal DVD drive (both disc's are indeed real DVD disc's not copies) Superman Returns and last night Pirates of the Caribbean Dead mans chest and I had some playback issues. On Superman it sped up twice.... sort of like some one had hit FF for a second. On P.O.T.C is sped up a lot of times and one time after the speed up the picture and sound was out of sync until I paused it for a while and then started it up again. Also the movie froze and I had to hit the power button on the front of the unit to get it to play again? I think it froze at the layer change. Does this sound like the drive it going bad?

Is there a way to check to drive firmware?

Anyone else ever see this problem before?

I'm afraid to have to answer that in the positive . I too, haven't really played around much with the internal DVD player until recently. Not only do I get these intermittent speed-ups, I also find that it's incredibly easy to get the Snazio to hang/lock-up. Just use the FF and FR buttons for a bit and it'll hang. Much worse than using these functions on streamed media. So far, I'd say that I only find this problem on VOB files - not when streaming TS or AVI files.

My initial appraisal of the 1350 was very high - time has eroded that though. It's still the only one that I can use in my setup, if you want to have a digital connection without HDCP. My display isn't HDCP compatible, so that rules out all other brands that have HDMI (and with HDCP). The 1350 gives a brilliant picture, particularly on HD stuff. My slides come out as good as 1920 x 1080p x 20Mb/sec stuff. I find that as long as I don't make the Snazio do anything but just play, it rarely hangs. The minute you make it do some fancy footwork, like FF, FR, slow etc, it hangs very easily - on ALL file types I've found.

I've also found that the IR sensor is particularly sensitive to extraneous stray light. I've had to shield it from daylight by placing a piece of black plastic over it and my IR repeater LED. Until I did that, it would often freeze or block commands form the Remote.

I've tried contacting Snazio directly, even their CEO, Amad, but with very little response. In the end I solved my connection problems with one of my PCs myself - had to make two firewall exceptions IN rather than OUT. They have ignored my comments re crashes and lock-ups. Not what I'd call real support. Compare that to my recent Infrant Forum post where I received an answer from an Infrant person within 24 hours (rather than having to wait for 4 days and send yet another email to Snazio), and you can see why I'm not overly impressed by Snazio's support.

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I did more searching into the problem and it turns out it is a DVD drive/firmware problem.

There is more info on this over at MPC club

http://www.mpcclub.com/modules.php?n...viewforum&f=80

The beta team is still doing testing and it might end up being a drive replacement.

I am thinking about looking for a new HD player but would like to wait until after CES to see what is going on with HD-DVD and BD as I would either like a combo player that also does a great job of upconverting or if there is not much news from CES then I am going to try and find the best player that upconverts and plays .ts HD streams and keep using it.

My new projector has HDMI so if I can find a player that is stable then I should be good to go.

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I did more searching into the problem and it turns out it is a DVD drive/firmware problem.

There is more info on this over at MPC club

http://www.mpcclub.com/modules.php?n...viewforum&f=80

The beta team is still doing testing and it might end up being a drive replacement.

I am thinking about looking for a new HD player but would like to wait until after CES to see what is going on with HD-DVD and BD as I would either like a combo player that also does a great job of upconverting or if there is not much news from CES then I am going to try and find the best player that upconverts and plays .ts HD streams and keep using it.

My new projector has HDMI so if I can find a player that is stable then I should be good to go.

Thanks for that link A/V spec. I had missed the Snazio 1350 thread on his site - I've only discovered the site recently and have read his Reviews on the Snazio and Infrant NAS's both of which were very informative. Do you get the lock-ups I described in my earlier post with the DVD player too though? What about the lock-ups I get when streaming files - do you get these too? If not, then I may be able to "fix" them in my LAN system. I use wired 100Mb/sec, and don't have any stuttering problems playing back 1920 x 1080p x 20Mb/s files, so that would seem to me rule out connection issues - but maybe not?

P.S. How do you find the internal DVD player in handling Dvix avi files? I can play 720p files fine (e.g. BBC Planet Earth HD) - a bit odd as the data rate here is higher than a standard PAL DVD.

P.P.S. Having read all (I think) Reviews and Forum threads on other HD media players, I still think the Snazio 1350 has the most features (particularly wrt slides with music and music with slides, although not perfect either!) and probably the best UI. I limit my statement here to DVI (and non HDCP) players. If only the remaining bugs could be cleared up!!

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P.P.S. Having read all (I think) Reviews and Forum threads on other HD media players, I still think the Snazio 1350 has the most features (particularly wrt slides with music and music with slides, although not perfect either!) and probably the best UI. I limit my statement here to DVI (and non HDCP) players. If only the remaining bugs could be cleared up!!

There's 2 new beta Firmware versions out - the 20-65 and the later 20-76.

Both can be obtained from the MPC site here.

As these 2 upgrades are not available fom the vone site, so you can't use the inbuilt internet upgrade facility on the Snazio. You need to download them (either one or both) to your computer first from the links listed on the MPC site. Then, to upgrade the Snazio, the easiest way is to use a USB stick. Look here and here on how to do that.

For a full discussion on these 2 upgrades, follow these threads.

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This player sounds superb ie. upscale via component and HDMI, USB playback and HD WMV compatibility, etc..

Any shortfalls eg. jaggies, anamolies, etc? How's the upscaled picture quality, compared to other equivalent players?

Sorry I had to ask but there are 33 pages in this thread!
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DVI, not HDMI. It'll play HD WMV but not WMA audio, unless you use the server side transcoder. Get the drive less model as the drive sucks. Just stream all your HD content from a PC.
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DVI, not HDMI. It'll play HD WMV but not WMA audio, unless you use the server side transcoder. Get the drive less model as the drive sucks. Just stream all your HD content from a PC.

The current model with DVD drive and the latest Snazio FW seems to have solved DVD playback problems. Have a read of the latest info on this by clicking on the links of the listed MPC site 2 posts above if you haven't already done so.

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HDMI-DVI is what I meant.

How the does the drive suck? What is firmware issue? Found this page of firmwares (http://www.livingcinema.nl/public/snazio/update.htm) which seems to tackle quite a few problems. Any problems remaining?



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DVI, not HDMI. It'll play HD WMV but not WMA audio, unless you use the server side transcoder. Get the drive less model as the drive sucks. Just stream all your HD content from a PC.

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HDMI-DVI is what I meant.

How the does the drive suck? What is firmware issue? Found this page of firmwares (http://www.livingcinema.nl/public/snazio/update.htm) which seems to tackle quite a few problems. Any problems remaining?

There is an even later FW version, 20-76, that is even better. Follow the link that I posted a few posts back up or click here on the thread I (JPP) started on the MPC Forum. The MPC forum is the most informative one on Media Players.

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Read quite a few threads from MPC. Mostly are complaints and no confirmation on what is fixed on the new beta firmware.

From what I've read, DVD playback has jaggies, BTB or WTW, lagging, off sync, etc..... very scary for potential buyer reading.

I'm thinking of checking out a demo, which dvd or scene in particular, should I check to test out the above problems?
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Read quite a few threads from MPC. Mostly are complaints and no confirmation on what is fixed on the new beta firmware.

From what I've read, DVD playback has jaggies, BTB or WTW, lagging, off sync, etc..... very scary for potential buyer reading.

I'm thinking of checking out a demo, which dvd or scene in particular, should I check to test out the above problems?

You are a bit of a disbeliever aren't you . The jaggies you talk about do exist when playing standard DVDs. When I say they do exist, they are no worse than any player that does not have the Faroudja de-interlacer chipset in it. However, play any avi progressive movie or any other even higher res files, up to 1920 x 1080p for example, then there are of course no jaggies to be seen. IMO, the lack of a better class de-interlacer is the only downfall of the DVD player in the 1350 when playing standard DVDs.

The resolution over DVI is absolutely astounding, coming very very close the my OPPO which is fitted with SDI. Much better resolution BTW than the same Oppo using it's standard DVI output. The Oppo's internal Faroudja de-interlacer markedly reduces the sharpness of the picture, but yes, the jaggies are just a little less obvious as a result. So, if jaggies are something you really don't like, you will need to choose an HD Media Player that uses the Faroudja de-interlacer/scaler chipset. I use both AVIA and DVE (Digital Video Essentials) test DVDs as my measurement "tools".

There are other items listed in the Official Bug Track thread here. Most of these don't apply to me because I don't use those functions. The front panels controls (touch sensitive type) are STILL too sensitive. The open/close button for example often causes the tray to close before you can load a disc. Using the Remote Button instead of the front panel one, overcomes the problem though.

I haven't come across the perfect HD Media Player yet, but the Snazio seems the best out of the bunch - at least for the moment. You can make it region free and have the CSS protection disabled, so that you can upscale standard DVDs that you rent, over the DVI connection. All, if not most HDMI models insist on HDCP handshaking which means that you won't be able to use them unless your display is HDCP compliant - a big issue for me as I have an older non-compliant display. In the end, it's the features that are most important to you, that will dertermine which of the 2 or 3 contenders suits you best. They all have bugs, but in the end it's more a matter of which ones you can put up with and which ones you can't.

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Wow, escon. You seem to be a satisfied 1350 user and you have an OPPO too !! Just the reference I need..... as the OPPO was my next best alternative (but require online blind order, no demos).

So, that must mean the problems mentioned below, happens only on some players (luck?)..
http://www.mpcclub.com/modules.php?n...ewtopic&t=7508
http://www.mpcclub.com/modules.php?n...wtopic&t=11065
http://www.mpcclub.com/modules.php?n...wtopic&t=11315


Should I just get the OPPO and forget about playing HD files altogether? My first priority is picture quality upscale via component, followed by HDMI/DVI.
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Wow, escon. You seem to be a satisfied 1350 user and you have an OPPO too !! Just the reference I need..... as the OPPO was my next best alternative (but require online blind order, no demos).

So, that must mean the problems mentioned below, happens only on some players (luck?)..
http://www.mpcclub.com/modules.php?n...ewtopic&t=7508
http://www.mpcclub.com/modules.php?n...wtopic&t=11065
http://www.mpcclub.com/modules.php?n...wtopic&t=11315


Should I just get the OPPO and forget about playing HD files altogether? My first priority is picture quality upscale via component, followed by HDMI/DVI.

My main intitial reason for buying the Snazio was to show my slides through it. It does a magnificent job of that.

Next came streaming files from my PC. I record shows off-air, edit them using VideoRedo to cut out commercials etc and then put them onto my NAS drive. The Snazio then plays them back via hard wired ethernet connection. This function too is handled very well with the Sanzio. One minor hiccup here and that is that the Snazio Server SW that resides on your PC isn't fast enough to keep up an HD 1920 x1080p x 15Mb/sec file when using my Infrant Ready Network Attached Drive as the drive on which the file is stored. The Wizd Sever SW though is fine, so I use that instead of the Snazio SNC SW.

As you will have gathered by now, I don't use the Snazio to play back standard SD DVDs much - the Oppo is used for that. But, on occasions I use the Snazio player to play my HD clips, be they 720p AVI clips or other even higher res clips. Amazing that you can get HD out of a nominal SD player. Just a shame that a single sided 4GB disc only lasts for about a half hour when showing a 1920 x 1080p 15Mb/sec file. No stand-alone player I know of can play as many file formats as the Snazio. The Oppo won't of course play anything above standard SD def, i.e 480/576i.

It looks like you are really after a high performing upscaling SD DVD player - HD Media streaming seems to come second in you list of priorities. For that you can't really go past the Oppo, certainly nothing touches it in terms of bang for your buck. If you want the best picture via component and be able to use upscaling over component, then you should choose the 970H model which has the Faroudja de-interlacer/scaler in it. You can easily make it region free and its DVI output is not CSS protected. Have a close read of the 2 OPPO threads on this Forum for more detail on these players.

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DVI, not HDMI. It'll play HD WMV but not WMA audio, unless you use the server side transcoder.


Not true at all. Snazio plays WMA fine including WMA Pro except multichannel WMA Pro.
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Read quite a few threads from MPC. Mostly are complaints and no confirmation on what is fixed on the new beta firmware.

From what I've read, DVD playback has jaggies, BTB or WTW, lagging, off sync, etc..... very scary for potential buyer reading.

I'm thinking of checking out a demo, which dvd or scene in particular, should I check to test out the above problems?

I have never seen anything like that though my original unit was replaced by Snazio due to its constant freezes long time ago. Current one still freezes time-by-time but it's still under the treshold when I send it back again.
Only DVD problem I know is sometimes the drive cannot read the disc first, it has to be ejected/re-loaded again. FF/RW kinda suck but nothing serious.
Front touch buttons suck but I don't use them. Unfortunately REMOTE SUCKS TOO AND BIG TIME. PIECE OF SH*T. And it's not even the controller but the very poor receiver - I have never seen such a garbage reception. Piece of sh*t, seriously.
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...Piece of sh*t, seriously.

Is there any media player you would recommend over the Snazio?

I'm thinking about getting an Xbox to run XBMC 2. It will play DVD's ripped to my hard drive as video_ts folders, but it wont play HD H.264 content, nor even SD H.264 if you encode with cabac and deblocking.

I was hoping that the Apple TV would fit my needs, but it's file format and codec support is way too limited for me.
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Is there any media player you would recommend over the Snazio?

I'm thinking about getting an Xbox to run XBMC 2. It will play DVD's ripped to my hard drive as video_ts folders, but it wont play HD H.264 content, nor even SD H.264 if you encode with cabac and deblocking.

I was hoping that the Apple TV would fit my needs, but it's file format and codec support is way too limited for me.

You see, this is my biggest problem as well: even with these very annoying minor problems SZ1350 is still THE BEST networked HD/DVD player out there, no question about it.
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Absolutely, I second that. I hope they release a model that plays H264 soon.
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Are either of you familiar with XBMC 2.0? What makes the Snazio better? I've never used either one and have only read a few threads about media players.
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Absolutely, I second that. I hope they release a model that plays H264 soon.

One of the unique features of the Snazio SNC server SW is that you can select a separate playlist for each Photo folder you have. It's simply a matter of selecting the appropriate music folder that you want to accompany the selected Photo folder (you don't even have to manually generate playlist files). To my knowledge, no other Server SW gives you that flexibility - only one playlist can be coupled with your entire Photo viewing - or have I missed something here? I can't see that option in Twonky, EZ-link, Wizd or the built-in Media Server of the Infrant Ready NAS.

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I've given this a pass.

After some dvd and video files demos, I couldn't stand the jerky panning and artifacts.

May have to blind order the oppos now.
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I've given this a pass.

After some dvd and video files demos, I couldn't stand the jerky panning and artifacts.

May have to blind order the oppos now.

Just remember though, that the amount of judder is dependant on the Frame Rate the DVD/Video File is played at, i.e. playing a PAL DVD [50Hz FR) on a 60Hz DVI setting, viz, selecting 720p 60Hz, will cause or force the Snazio to do a frame rate conversion. If your display can take it, select one of the 50Hz FR options, like 720p 50Hz. Conversely, an NTSC DVD [60Hz FR) should be output at a 60Hz FR.

Most of the available DVI resolutions are in fact 60Hz Frame Rate - all the PC resolutions like 1024 x 768 etc are 60Hz FR, so unless it indicates otherwise, the FR is 60Hz. Of course, if the original source is film, which includes nearly all SD and HD DVDs, it will be at 24 fps, which will always have more judder than Video material which runs at 50/60 fps. Then of course you also need a 3:2 pulldown regime to show the movie at 60Hz. People in PAL land a a bit better off as the movie is usually shown at 25 fps, requiring a 2:2 pulldown which is just a doubling of the frame rate which gives less noticible judder.

If FR conversion is the root of your problem, then the Oppo BTW is not very good at it either, so don't expect it to be any better than the Snazio in that respect. Once you match the Frame rate to the source, the Snazio is as good as any other player I've come across in that respect. Don't forget too, that the same FR matching applies to any files you stream. For example, playing my favourite 1920 x 1080p x 15MB/s 60Hz HD clip, which is an NTSC coded file, if I select an output FR at 50Hz, there is a slight judder present. Going to a 60Hz FR, completely eliminates any judder - you couldn't wish for a smoother pan.

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I've downgraded to a CRT TV and now I am using this unit via composite (don't kill me). It looks great still, but the whenever there is letterboxing involved, the unit displays these bars in gray. I have an old Sony Trinitron and this doesn't happen with other DVD players. I am running the latest firmware, the one that lets this baby output 1080p.

Does anyone have any solution for getting the letterbox bars from gray to black?
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Any news about any player that plays MPEG4 and have a wireless capabilities, Snazio seem not interesting in releasing a such unit, DreamBox DM8000 will be the best as it is a HD satellite receiver and media player but no official date for release.
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Snazio is not even interested in supporting its customers.......
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I bought PlayStation 3 it plays all my MPEG2 HD videos it has all Snazio capabilities such as network streaming.... plus advanced control menus, Blue-ray drive and game consol wow, I'm selling my Snazio SZ 1350 if anybody interested.
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I bought PlayStation 3 it plays all my MPEG2 HD videos it has all Snazio capabilities such as network streaming.... plus advanced control menus, Blue-ray drive and game consol wow, I'm selling my Snazio SZ 1350 if anybody interested.

I have considered during the same.......
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Anyone still using there 1350 that might be able to shed some light on the problem I am having?

When playing back .ts HD streams the picture is stuttering. It used to playback smooth but then starting a few days ago it just will play a bit the pause then speed up real fast then pause over and over. SD material seems to play back fine.

I moved the unit down to the server to make sure it was not a network cable issue, I even loaded different versions of firmware and un-installed Snazio server software.

The files playback fine from my Pioneer BDP-95FD so I know the server is working and the files are not corrupt.

Anyone else every see this?

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Anyone still using there 1350 that might be able to shed some light on the problem I am having?

When playing back .ts HD streams the picture is stuttering. It used to playback smooth but then starting a few days ago it just will play a bit the pause then speed up real fast then pause over and over. SD material seems to play back fine.

I moved the unit down to the server to make sure it was not a network cable issue, I even loaded different versions of firmware and un-installed Snazio server software.

The files playback fine from my Pioneer BDP-95FD so I know the server is working and the files are not corrupt.

Anyone else every see this?

Have not used this device for a LONG time, now use Tvix... but.. from my memory, I did not like the snazio software for streaming..


I used a program called "WIZD"

http://wizd.sourceforge.net/

I found this fixed any studdering, etc I Had with snazio software..


Hope this helps..
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Have not used this device for a LONG time, now use Tvix... but.. from my memory, I did not like the snazio software for streaming..


I used a program called "WIZD"

http://wizd.sourceforge.net/

I found this fixed any studdering, etc I Had with snazio software..


Hope this helps..

Thanks for the fast reply. I downloaded WIZD and installed it and I get the same pausing issue. It does it when I use Windows Media server also.

Maybe my Snazio is just dying from old age???? ;-)

Guess it is time to start looking for a new player....

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