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post #181 of 2270 Old 11-10-2005, 04:46 AM
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I just got and hooked up my Pioneer 79AVi today, my question is....

I can hear the DVD spinning on the inside of the machine from 10 feet away if everything is off or on mute, is this normal? because it is fairly audible and I cant see why a player like this one would do that when my old cheap DVD player didn't.

That is not what I was waiting to hear
You must have a defetcive player , get another.
There is NO WAY that they should be loud, sure you might hear it a little.
I have had there PD-65 CD Player and you coun`t hear a thing.
That`s history , but still have CLD-99 LD and DV-09 DVD > The LD makes quite a bit of noise , but that an LD , however the DV-09 is still very quiet and it`s over 7 years old. It must be ( I hope ) a defect.
Tell me did you get Black or Silver ?
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Well that takes care of that , so much for links to the latest post LOL
Still I would like to know more , how about a review , nothing fancy , just what you like or dislike about the player , many thanks.
O- (again) Did you get Black or Silver
Have fun ,
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I got it in black, I am not a big fan of silver.

The PQ and sound are amazing, very clean on my TV and system. I will write a review after I have had it for a while longer, I have only seen one movie on it and tested a few others.
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Hi Collin,
Glad to hear that things are A-OK
Black ! Sure , that is a standard "Eilite" color To bad it`s not the old "Urushi" gloss black.
I will be looking to check one out myself ( Silver - I hope ! ), looking forward to a review , and thanks for the info so far
O__I wouldn`t play that "Matrix" disc in it any more , could be that the hole is slightly off center causing a wobble , best off buying a new one and save the old one for a coster !!
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I got it in black, I am not a big fan of silver.

The PQ and sound are amazing, very clean on my TV and system. I will write a review after I have had it for a while longer, I have only seen one movie on it and tested a few others.

Great! Congratulations on the purchase, I'm glad to hear you like it. I look forward to your impressions.

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CollinViegas.

Your 79AVi is defective. I don't hear anything, no noise coming from mine. It's playing everything I throw at it since almost 2 months already, and without a hitch.
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I know it's been asked ad infinitium but I'll try it again since I haven't seen a response.

What is the layer switch like? I'm debating dropping the $1k on it since my Denon 1600 went H03 on me and am making due with a Sammy 850.
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Layer switch is a little bit, but not much, better then the 59AVi. It's disappointing, but for me it's not a problem. But I know that for some it is.

Let's say it's not a Denon 2900 in that regard.
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This was posted over in the video processor forum by Madshi, and was just wondering if it has been confirmed by those the have the 79AVi. I need a player that will output 480i into a DVDO VP30, and am considering the Arcam players and this one. Anyone compared the sound between the two (I know many say the Arcam is one of the best musically)? Anyone know if the 480i from the 79AVi (based on the stuff below) should be better than 480i from Arcam?

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Since DVD and BD and HD-DVD are AFAIK all encoded in YCbCr 4:2:0, a transport via HDMI with 4:2:2 should be just fine, so we can use the 10bit or 12bit HDMI modes. At least that's how I understand it. Btw, the soon to come Pioneer DV-79AVi is said to support unprocessed 480i/576i with 10bit over HDMI 1.1 (directly from the MPEG decoder to HDMI). Sounds like a perfect fit for a video processor to me. Bye bye, expensive SDI-Mods.

Here are some more infos about supported HDMI formats:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=578801
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Speaking of price, here's my dilemma: 59AVi new for $800 from Magnolia right now (salesman offering discount) or 79AVi for $1000 whenever it shows up. What do you guys think?

It all depends on what your priorities and needs are.

I suspect that when the Pio 79avi becomes widely available in the U.S., the 59avi will drop in price even more.

And on that note, I wouldn't be surprised if the Pio 79avi drops in price once the Sony Blu-ray machines debut Aprilish of 2006.
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And on that note, I wouldn't be surprised if the Pio 79avi drops in price once the Sony Blu-ray machines debut Aprilish of 2006.

Why would the 79avi price drop? Totally different player. Will the HD machines be universals? No. Will they output 480i via HDMI? Most likely not. Will they play SD DVDs as well as today's machines? We'll have to see.

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Why would the 79avi price drop?

Larry, because of the way the common man purchasing in the marketplace thinks.

If it's High Def, shucks, its got to be better.

If I can buy me a High Def player for around 1K and a Pio 79avi player for around 1K..- which do you think HE will buy? (unless, of course he already has a LARGE library of DVD's at home).
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jcg, the instruction manual is available for download from the Pioneer website. It should answer some of your questions.

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The only technical spec that I see which is different between the 59avi and the 79avi (beside the weight) is that listed for the Video DAC: the 59's is 14-bit/216 MHz, and the 79's is 14-bit/108 MHz. Does anybody know whether one is better than the other?
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Larry, because of the way the common man purchasing in the marketplace thinks.

If it's High Def, shucks, its got to be better.

If I can buy me a High Def player for around 1K and a Pio 79avi player for around 1K..- which do you think HE will buy? (unless, of course he already has a LARGE library of DVD's at home).

Agreed. But I don't think the common man will be buying HD-DVD players for quite a while. The common man isn't buying 59avi or 79avi too.

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Agreed. But I don't think the common man will be buying HD-DVD players for quite a while. The common man isn't buying 59avi or 79avi too.

larry

Perhaps this is a case of semantics or perhaps I'm wrong and it's just wishful thinking as I'm probably going to purchase the 79avi or 59avi..just not imminently.

So, allow me to rephrase, I think that alot of people that COMMONLY buy *the best* high-end products are NOT knowledgeable videophiles.if only for the fact that in order to accrue such an income, they don't have the time or willingness to stay so well-informed over such things that they consider trivial decision choices.

I think that there is a significant population out there with fat wallets that walk into their local B&M store and ask what is the best DVD player they carry? and the Pio 79avi will invariably come up as an answer at dealers that carry it. And they'll buy it without a blink of an eye.either there, or run back home and google the best price on-line.and buy it with keystrokes.

So this warped logic goes on to speculate that come Aprilish 06, the above discussion will be modified somewhatala
Mr. Fat Wallet - What's the best goll-dang DVD player made?
Mr. Salesmen - Well for standard DVD's it's the Pio 79avi at a sales price of $990.
For new-fangled High Definition DVD players, we just got in the Sony Blu-ray at $1,000.
Mr. Fat Wallet - Well, as I consider myself a shrewd buyer that likes to stay on the bleeding edge of technology, I want the best DVD player showcasing the newest techo wizardry, so I'll buy the High-Def player.

A little time will pass and there will be a *price adjustment* of the 79avi in order to move them.

At least that's what I'm hoping
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But I don't think the common man will be buying HD-DVD players for quite a while.

larry

I wouldn't be so sure about that, as there are plans to concurrently release one or possible two *more economical* versions as well as the roughly 1K model to allow the *common people* to join in on the party.

But I guess it depends on what one's definition of quite a while is.
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Levesque or anyone else who has one of these already, what do you think about audio with redbook CDs? Wondering how this player compares to an Onkyo SP1000 or a dedicated CD player?

I've got an Arcam CD player and the Onkyo DVD player didn't sound near as good as the dedicated CD player. Does the 79avi do well with 2 channel music?
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The only technical spec that I see which is different between the 59avi and the 79avi (beside the weight) is that listed for the Video DAC: the 59's is 14-bit/216 MHz, and the 79's is 14-bit/108 MHz. Does anybody know whether one is better than the other?

The 59's 14-bit/216 is "better", but even 12-bit/108 is enough. 14-bit/108 is definately enough, think of 14/216 as "overkill". There are many other factors that determin quality, and from what we have heard the model 79 is better. (I've owned players with 10bit/54mhz ratings, and 12-bit/108 ratings, and also 12 bit/216......10/54 is a bit noisy, but from 12/108 on up the picture is awesomely clear, but that is only one aspect of a DVD players picture quality......in summary once the "pipe", meaning bandwidth is "big" enough, adding more won't help anything.)
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What Arcam CD player do you have? I'm currently trying to figure out if the 79AVI, Arcam DV79 or Arcam decicated CD player + cheap HDMI DVD player (for video only) is the best option.

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Levesque or anyone else who has one of these already, what do you think about audio with redbook CDs? Wondering how this player compares to an Onkyo SP1000 or a dedicated CD player?

I've got an Arcam CD player and the Onkyo DVD player didn't sound near as good as the dedicated CD player. Does the 79avi do well with 2 channel music?

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What Arcam CD player do you have? I'm currently trying to figure out if the 79AVI, Arcam DV79 or Arcam decicated CD player + cheap HDMI DVD player (for video only) is the best option.

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I'm in the same boat. I already have a decent Arcam CD only unit...the CD-82. I'm happy with it.
I know the financially wise choice will be a low end DVD player until the Hi-Rez formats sort themselves out.
But I have heard and seen the DV-79AVI and LOVE it. Plus it will do SACD and DVD-Audio.
What if we all sit here waiting and the Blue-Ray HD-DVD "war" becomes anticlimactic like hi-rez audio....neither format takes off.
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I've got a CD33 and really, really like it. I'll probably pick up the 79avi and a lot of it's because the price of the 59avi is nearly identical.

I hope not but wonder if I'll use this player 5 years before getting a HD one? When do you think Netflix will have 10,000+ titles in HD? I won't get a HD player before then.
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When do you think Netflix will have 10,000+ titles in HD?

BINGO!
Alan, most excellent observation.

 

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I hope not but wonder if I'll use this player 5 years before getting a HD one? When do you think Netflix will have 10,000+ titles in HD? I won't get a HD player before then.

I have a fairly large DVD collection (should be well over 1000 before I buy my first next gen. disc). I don't think it will not be necessary to replace all those DVDs with the next generation disc. I have some cheap DVD players. I hoping the 79AVi will be the last one I buy.

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I am an old guy who bought my first SVHS VCR 20 years ago. At that time everybody was saying that video stores would have almost all the titles in that format. After 20 years I don't know of any title available for rent. DVHS came up with a lot of support from videofiles. Some titles are available, price is high and no video store rent them. HD DVD will come very expensive. There is a format war. Videofiles will buy it anyway but I doubt very much we will see new releases at blockbuster (the only thing I actually care). Keep in mind that very few DVHS titles were released at the same time as the DVD.

Best possible scenario: Few HD DVDs available in 2 years, a bunch of re-releases in 3 years and no availability of new releases for rent in less than 5 years. Joe 6 packs still rules in this market.

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I 100% agree. I'm also betting that HD-DVD and Blu-ray are more like Laserdisc or D-VHS than DVD in terms of market penetration and availability of titles. I'll order my 79AVi as soon as I see a couple of reviews just to make sure it's not a step backward from the 59AVi in any areas that I personally care about. But at least so far, everything I've seen says that it's an improvement in most if not all areas, even if incremental. I do know a lot of people holding out for 1080p from their player, but hey, if I'm sitting at 9-10ft away, and I can't see a huge difference with a 42" display between 720/768p and 480p, ain't no way I'm going to get any benefit from 1080p. Even if I had a display that could do it.

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Yup !!
You guys`s are right about that.
It will be a costly war , and maybe a war that only the studios want to fight.
I too need to see the DV-79AVi-S ( Silver ) but if I don`t have a choise then black will be ok.
I agree that , at least at first , that HD-DVD`s will be like LD`s , and I bet they will cost about the same as LD`s did.
Somehow I just think enough already , a good upscaling player will be just fine.
I have a 37" XS955 , so I couldn`t use HD - DVD`s right now anyway, and I`m still breaking it in !!
So I say , let the war begin , while I count my pennies
My 2 cents
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I'm cosidering the Pioneer 79AVi, but ia,m also considering the Denon 3910. I have a Sont 70" XBR and an Onkyo TXNR901. Any suggestions.
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I fear this Hi Def format war will turn into much ado about nothing...like the SACD vs DVD-A non battle.
The average guy, who for the most part is content with redbook CD sound, doesn't care about the improved sound quality and multi channel capability. It means (maybe) a new player and scarce, expensive discs. They don't see the need or benefit. And we all hate format wars.

Is there a chance the same story will repeat itself with HD-DVD & BluRay?
It takes off slowly and 3 or 4 years down the road it's just a niche market?
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The only reason I think that one of these formats may stick around is because of the PS3. When that ships, there will suddenly be millions of blu-ray players all around the globe. I think that any studio that won't make content available to such a large market is making a mistake.

Also, what I love about the 79avi is that down the road I can go 480i through HDMI to some yet not available scaler and to a not yet available affordable 1080p projector. Upgradeability is nice

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