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post #181 of 239 Old 01-18-2008, 11:16 AM
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The New Panasonic DVD-S53 player will allow you to use 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, and 1080p with HDMI. It has excellent picture quality. It can be had for under $100. Sadly like most DVD players today..... Panasonic has removed buttons on the unit so you only get play, stop, eject, and power button. Forward and reverse buttons have been removed that have to be used from remote. All these companies are taking this trend to further their profits.


thanks to this post, i picked up one of these units and A/B'ed it against a denon 1740. i returned the 1740 because it doesn't handle layer changes as well as the panny

i am quite happy with the speed and quality of this unit. i'm unhappy with how ugly it is...
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Just to confirm. NTSC 480i 4:2:0 out over HDMI?
Also, how about multi zone? Does it read PAL disc, if so, does it output 576i?



I am looking for a DVD player that output 480i & 576i & read mpg2(SD&HD) stored movies on my HDD (via usb or RJ45). Any input?

Tkx, Sam.

No SD player outputs YCbCr 4:2:0 over any output. The output of the MPEG decoder is YCbCr 4:2:2 (possibly 4:4:4). I doubt the HDM players are any different. The chroma upsampling done by the MPEG decoder is, in some cases, the root of the CUE bug (Chroma Upsampling Error).

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No SD player outputs YCbCr 4:2:0 over any output. The output of the MPEG decoder is YCbCr 4:2:2 (possibly 4:4:4). I doubt the HDM players are any different. The chroma upsampling done by the MPEG decoder is, in some cases, the root of the CUE bug (Chroma Upsampling Error).

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K, 4:2:2 is ok.
I was reading about the oppo, it is great cause it can also output SACD DSD, but some members mentioned it have problems with 480i/576i HDMI output and need an SDI to fix. my VP (radiance) doesn't have SDI input so what other player you suggest.
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So would it be better to set the DVD player to 480i and let the tv do the upscaling? Does setting the player at 480i as opposed to 480p really make a difference? I have a 1080p tv (Sharp LC-52D62U )

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from what i've recently learned (and it ain't much!) it all depends on the quality of the upscaler being used, regardless of where it's located (in the source, avr, or tv).

in my situation, the best upscaler in my system resides in my avr, so i send 480i to it, let it do the upscaling to 1080p and then let my tv just play the signal without further scaling or deinterlacing. i made that decision after testing all the scalers in the system and chose the one that resulted in the best picture quality. you should do the same experiment and find out which works best in your system.
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Thanks for the reply, I appreciate it. Right now I am trying to decide between the Panasonic S53K, the Philips 5982, or the Samsung DVD-1080P7. I have a credit to use at a store and unfortunately they don't carry Oppo, so I am pretty limited. I understand the Philips can't pass DTS, the Samsung has had good reviews as to PQ, but seems they have build quality problems (I did see on their site they have a new firmware out last week, but don't know if it addresses these problems). Back to the Panasonic, are you happy with the PQ? Also, can you play +R/W disks on it?

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K, 4:2:2 is ok.
I was reading about the oppo, it is great cause it can also output SACD DSD, but some members mentioned it have problems with 480i/576i HDMI output and need an SDI to fix. my VP (radiance) doesn't have SDI input so what other player you suggest.

I have a 970 that outputs 480i/576i just fine. I've seen one or two people claim the SDI modded outputs a slightly better image, however, I have no idea what screen size is needed to see it or what the differences really are. The only issue is that the Mediatek MPEG decoder suffers from ICP (chroma error, just like almost every other MPEG decoder) but all scalers nowadays have filters to fix it. The Mediatek deinterlacer in the player does and excellent job of fixing the issue.

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Seeing that the Denon DVD-2930CI is listed in this thread as a player with 480i output, I should mention that it's not a pure 480i output. The player seems to be doing some sort of processing before outputting 480i. This results in external video processors to severely trip on even the most basic material. Stay away from the Denon DVD-2930CI if you for some reason seek to use its 480i output.
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Guys,

if SDI is not an option and price doesn't matter while picture quality and especially built-quality (= no! oppo) is important, what's the current 480i/576i non-plus-ultra DVD player ? I have looked into reviews for the Marantz 9600 and Arcam DV137 (and similar), but it's hard to find any statements on the digital SD quality, since the reviews (and reviewers) focus on the 1080p quality of the high-end players.

Any recommendations ?
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I just picked up a Toshiba HD-A30 HD-DVD player on clearance from Best Buy, and can confirm that it will output 480i over HDMI. I'm surprised this one hasn't been mentioned. I played a horribly interlaced episode of Star Trek: TNG through my Onkyo TX-SR875's Reon processor, and it looked pristine.

The one downside is if you want to play an HD-DVD, you'll have to go into the setup and switch back to 1080p manually. But I don't imagine too many of us are going to be playing many HD-DVDs in the future.
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I just picked up a Toshiba HD-A30 HD-DVD player on clearance from Best Buy, and can confirm that it will output 480i over HDMI. I'm surprised this one hasn't been mentioned. I played a horribly interlaced episode of Star Trek: TNG through my Onkyo TX-SR875's Reon processor, and it looked pristine.

The one downside is if you want to play an HD-DVD, you'll have to go into the setup and switch back to 1080p manually. But I don't imagine too many of us are going to be playing many HD-DVDs in the future.

I am keeping my HD DVD A35 player just for the 480i output. Gefen has a new scaler coming out that has the T2-400 Realta chip in it. This should make an excellent up-converted SD image.
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The original list of qualifying DVD players is years old. many of the models are now obsolete and can no longer be found.

Is there a list of *cheap* DVD players with HDMI out that qualify nowadays?

Do any of my local costco or walmart models fit the bill? since all we need is a 3-year old chipset, this should be really cheap today.
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The Oppo 980H seems to be the most cost effective solution out there. I have an Anthem AVM-50 on order and am deciding between the Oppo or a DV-79AVI demo unit. The new Denon DVD -2500BTCI transport is also in the running...
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The list was updated on 1/9/08. Re-read the 1st post again.
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The Oppo 980H seems to be the most cost effective solution out there. I have an Anthem AVM-50 on order and am deciding between the Oppo or a DV-79AVI demo unit. The new Denon DVD -2500BTCI transport is also in the running...

the panny s53 is cheaper

though the oppo has nicer "features" imo.

i use the panny for compatibility reasons. it's a good transport.
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Does the S54 also output 480i? I went to Panny's website but it does not say.
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the downloadable manual says no, only 480p+
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Thanks, I'll try and get the S53 then
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the downloadable manual says no, only 480p+

The S54K does in fact output 480i over HDMI.
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JVC XV-N652S/XV-N650B supports 480i HDMI.
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I am looking for a DVD player which can play region 2(ntsc/pal) movies from europe and japan. My current tv is a Sony XBR2 LCD which wont do PAL so I am going to need a pal to ntsc converter but soon I am buying a Pioneer 141FD which can use Pal/Ntsc/Secam. 480i over hdmi to denon 5308ci's hqv realta then pioneer 141fd.

there are a few options

i can buy a european player or version

or us player or version with region code hack

it could be a blu-ray player which can do 480i over hdmi (in a decent way thats mentioned in above posts) and a european player or version (region b and region 2) ntsc/pal

which do you think would be better?

note: i am not interested in watching region 1 dvds on this dvd player, i will be using a different one for that purpose. the reason i am looking for a transport is to take advantage of the realta in denon and spend less on the player
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I am looking for a DVD player which can play region 2(ntsc/pal) movies from europe and japan. My current tv is a Sony XBR2 LCD which wont do PAL so I am going to need a pal to ntsc converter but soon I am buying a Pioneer 141FD which can use Pal/Ntsc/Secam. 480i over hdmi to denon 5308ci's hqv realta then pioneer 141fd.

there are a few options

i can buy a european player or version

or us player or version with region code hack

it could be a blu-ray player which can do 480i over hdmi (in a decent way thats mentioned in above posts) and a european player or version (region b and region 2) ntsc/pal

which do you think would be better?

note: i am not interested in watching region 1 dvds on this dvd player, i will be using a different one for that purpose. the reason i am looking for a transport is to take advantage of the realta in denon and spend less on the player

The Oppo 980 at $169 meets your criteria.

Blu-Ray: I'm not sure. I thought there were no such players for SD-DVD NTSC and PAL region free (without a soldering iron?) but I haven't kept up.

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The Oppo 980 at $169 meets your criteria.

Blu-Ray: I'm not sure. I thought there were no such players for SD-DVD NTSC and PAL region free (without a soldering iron?) but I haven't kept up.

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seems like its going to be an oppo 980h for me. in case i want to upgrade to something a bit better, what options would i have? again it could be a region 2 only player but i want the ntsc playback for japanese dvds.

would a pioneer 79avi be a much better transport than 980h?
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can I set oppo 980h to output native (ntsc or pal) system? There is a big chance that pioneer 141fd handles pal and ntsc signals better than oppos pal/ntsc converter.

and how is the Denon DVD-2500BDCI European edition(region B,region 2) comparing to oppo 980h on DVD playback? denon outputs 480i over hdmi and its a pal/ntsc player. I read some somehow negative feedbacks about denon dvd players like 3930 and 2930 in previous posts(they output 4:4:4 vs oppos 4:2:2) but denon must have a better mpeg decoder and interlacer than oppo. i know its much more money but it can play region b blu-rays for that reason i would be willing to spend more money on it.

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can I set oppo 980h to output native (ntsc or pal) system?

Yes.

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Arcam DV79
Marantz DV9600
Classe CDP-300
SigmaTek XMB-510
LG LDA-511

Hidef players:

Sony BDP-S1
Pioneer BDP-HD1
Toshiba HD-A2

I believe the Sony's do it. So do the Pioneers, but they are more expensive than your budget
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fairly sure any dvd player that has dvi out and hdmi will also upscale... interested in what your application is here.
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fairly sure any dvd player that has dvi out and hdmi will also upscale... interested in what your application is here.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forum...aysprune=&f=37

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Along with passing 480i via DVI/HDMI, I'd like to see a list of players that do not clip BTB and WTW via HDMI. From the display calibration sub-forum HERE there's some discussion of the clipping and Mediatek-based players. I have no colorspace control on my display (toshiba 36AV500U LCD) so I couldn't test that.

LG DN898 via HDMI (480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i (1080p not tested) clips BTB and WTW.
Philips 59xx via HDMI also clips BTB and WTW.

Note: BTB = blacker than black, WTW = whiter than white.
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