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post #1 of 239 Old 12-07-2005, 07:52 PM - Thread Starter
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Hi, all,

I'm looking at getting a Lumagen external scaler. From my correspondence with them, it seems that the best DVD signal to feed the scaler is a normal 480i signal. Obviously, I'd like this 480i signal to be as clean as possible, so I'd like it to come out of the player's digital output.

So, are there any players that can do this? Preferably under $500?

Edit: Fast forward......

Pioneer Elite 79avi
Pioneer Elite 59avi
Sony DVP-NS975V
Arcam DV79
Marantz DV9600
Classe CDP-300
SigmaTek XMB-510
LG LDA-511
NeuNeo HVD2085 (latest firmware as of 3-14-2006)
LG DVX9900H
Oppo 970HD
Oppo 980H
Pio DV490-V
Denon 2930
Denon 3930
Onkyo DV-404
Panasonic DVR (DMR-EH75VS)
Astar [Starlight] HDX9350 (Mediatek MPEG decoder - $20 player)
Esoteric DV-60
Panasonic S53
Panasonic DMR-EZ485VK VHS/DVD recorder,

The following players do also output 480i/576i over HDMI according to their manuals:
JVC XV-N652S
JVC XV-N670B
Kenwood DVF-5400
Kenwood DVF-5500
LG DV390H
Onkyo DV-SP405
Onkyo DV-SP406
Pioneer DV-410V

Hidef players:

Sony BDP-S1
Pioneer BDP-HD1
Toshiba HD-A2



[I added list here and left the other entries for "historical purposes". The OP or myself can edit the list when needed. Post additions below....larry]
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I believe the Sony's do it. So do the Pioneers, but they are more expensive than your budget (unless you can get a great deal on a 59ai since it's being replaced by the 79ai).
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You can sometimes find used SDI modded DVD players for $500ish, but then you'd have to spend extra for the SDI input on the scaler (most of the time).

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Videogon has a Sony 975 for sale . Arcam is another player than can do 480i HDMI.
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Sony DVP-NS975V does 480i over HDMI the NS70, NS90 do not.

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Pioneer 59avi....with the 79avi out, you might find this player in your range. Also, I would run a search in advance search, title search only for this forum and you'll find previous posts on this exact topic.

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The OPPO 971 can be SDI modded http://www.pixelmagicforum.com/forum...read.php?t=639

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The Sony DVP-NS975V is discontinued. I see it used and refurbished only.

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Thanks, all!

I have looked through all of the other threads on this, and based on what I found, the list of players that can output 480i over HDMI is quite small:

Pioneer Elite 79avi
Pioneer Elite 59avi
Sony DVP-NS975V
Arcam DV79
Marantz DV9600
Classe CDP-300

I may try and get this thread stickied so that future seekers have any easier time of it.
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The OPPO 971 can be SDI modded http://www.pixelmagicforum.com/forum...read.php?t=639

I'd love to see the OPPO SDI output.

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Out of these league but the Sigmatek XMB-510 can

http://www.sigmatekcomputer.com/products.php?p=xmb510

http://www.divx-compare.com/lecteur-...0.htm?refptn=2

It will be nice to compare video performance of High End and Low End DVD players over 480i HDMI and external scaler

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Did the web pages name the manufacturers of the MPEG decoder and scaler chip(s)?

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Did the web pages name the manufacturers of the MPEG decoder and scaler chip(s)?

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Sure, Mediatek 1389, same model as famous Oppo.

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Sure, Mediatek 1389, same model as famous Oppo.

Nacho..

Thanks. It would be nice if the player performs as well as the Oppo and have 480i output via HDMI.

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My LG LDA-511 will output 480i over HDMI, as my projector confirms that it receives a 480i signal.
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It would be nice if the player performs as well as the Oppo and have 480i output via HDMI.

According to Kris Deering, Oppo will be launching the 970 with 480i through HDMI.
It will be a scaled down model from the 971 without the Faroudja chip but with the same Mediatek MPEG decoder.
It seems the player has a very clean 480i HDMI output.

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According to Kris Deering, Oppo will be launching the 970 with 480i through HDMI.
It will be a scaled down model from the 971 without the Faroudja chip but with the same Mediatek MPEG decoder.
It seems the player has a very clean 480i HDMI output.

Pedro, did Kris indicate an ETA for this new Oppo model?

Thanks!

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Sorry, no ETA for now.

You can read more about the new 970H in this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=619439

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Hi, all,

I'm looking at getting a Lumagen external scaler.......

I'm in exactly the same boat. I was really clueless about the newest generation of DVD players and I've literally spent hours over the last few days reading up on them. Some support custom resolutions, some don't. Some will output 480i via HDMI, some won't. A couple will upconvert through the component connections, most won't. Its the wild west out there. You really have to know what you want and do your homework.

Very timely post Robonaut. Thanks a lot.

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I can confirm now that the SiGMATek XMB-510 do 480i/576i over HDMI output.

With my Marantz S4, Gennum chip inside, 480i/576i are the best options as 576p/720p/1080i, neither in 50 or 60Hz don´t pass 24 frame conversion in the PeterFinzel test disc, so I use 576i with no problem and the Genum make the work.

SiGMATek XMB-510 It´s a cheap and respectable option until next generation High Def DVD´s. but I suppose that high end actual DVD´s will make a better job even in 480i/576i, usually life is like that

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I can confirm now that the SiGMATek XMB-510 do 480i/576i over HDMI output.

With my Marantz S4, Gennum chip inside, 480i/576i are the best options as 576p/720p/1080i, neither in 50 or 60Hz don´t pass 24 frame conversion in the PeterFinzel test disc, so I use 576i with no problem and the Genum make the work.

SiGMATek XMB-510 It´s a cheap and respectable option until next generation High Def DVD´s. but I suppose that high end actual DVD´s will make a better job even in 480i/576i, usually life is like that

Nacho.

100 player!!

Sorry for this dummy question but.. :

576i is standard DVD format for PAL discs, right? If the player only reads the sample from the disc and outputs it through a digital HDMI output, no option for loss seems to be possible, IS THAT CORRECT?

So, in case using an external scaler and a hq amp for sound, is there any reason for spending more than 100 in a player?? I guess there is, I must be missing quite a few points.

Would any dummies evangelist pls throw a bit of light to my brain darkness..??

Rgds,
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100 player!!

Sorry for this dummy question but.. :

576i is standard DVD format for PAL discs, right? If the player only reads the sample from the disc and outputs it through a digital HDMI output, no option for loss seems to be possible, IS THAT CORRECT?

So, in case using an external scaler and a hq amp for sound, is there any reason for spending more than 100 in a player?? I guess there is, I must be missing quite a few points.

Would any dummies evangelist pls throw a bit of light to my brain darkness..??

Try yourself
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Try yourself

I did at some point. I bought one of the first players with DVI.
However, I did not have the external scaler and it worked with its internal one.

Results were very positive regarding PQ but very negative regarding usability.
After four or five firmware upgrades, the unit behaviour is a bit tricky.

Nowadays, the unit will stop after 20 min of operation until its get cool again.

lesson learnt: it might happen that from a tech stand point these boxes may do its job but at the end of the day paying for a bit of engineering may be worth.

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I did at some point. I bought one of the first players with DVI.
However, I did not have the external scaler and it worked with its internal one.

Results were very positive regarding PQ but very negative regarding usability.
After four or five firmware upgrades, the unit behaviour is a bit tricky.

Nowadays, the unit will stop after 20 min of operation until its get cool again.

lesson learnt: it might happen that from a tech stand point these boxes may do its job but at the end of the day paying for a bit of engineering may be worth.

DVI it´s an only progressive output, so, as you know, that´s mean that electronics inside the player make a difference, HDMI it´s different as you can get the 576i stream in YCrPb4:4:4 to the display or scaler directly.

Absolutely agree with you that picture quality it´s not the only matter and a better chasis, components, etc makes the diff. The question is that in a few months will get HD DVD´s and, in my opinion, we can get pretty aceptable results with a 100 DVD and a good scaler (if we already own it).

For sure I would prefer a Pionner 989i/79 to the Sigmatek

The question is that the Sigmatek it´s a nice player and make his job in 576i, very well indeed. You can also pass track at high speed but don´t use his progressive outputs as they are not good at all

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DVI it´s an only progressive output, so, as you know, that´s mean that electronics inside the player make a difference, HDMI it´s different as you can get the 576i stream in YCrPb4:4:4 to the display or scaler directly.

Absolutely agree with you that picture quality it´s not the only matter and a better chasis, components, etc makes the diff. The question is that in a few months will get HD DVD´s and, in my opinion, we can get pretty aceptable results with a 100 DVD and a good scaler (if we already own it).

For sure I would prefer a Pionner 989i/79 to the Sigmatek

The question is that the Sigmatek it´s a nice player and make his job in 576i, very well indeed. You can also pass track at high speed but don´t use his progressive outputs as they are not good at all

Nacho.

Tomorow I will go and get a new Sony NS92V. It's supposed to be a good video and audio player and able to output 576i to feed the A/V receiver+scaler I'll be getting soon (Philips DFR9000/01).

I will let you know how the whole thing works.

Rgds,
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Tomorow I will go and get a new Sony NS92V. It's supposed to be a good video and audio player and able to output 576i to feed the A/V receiver+scaler I'll be getting soon (Philips DFR9000/01).

I will let you know how the whole thing works.

Some info on it;

Sony NS92V

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Tomorow I will go and get a new Sony NS92V. It's supposed to be a good video and audio player and able to output 576i

Bad news! at least for me...!

Got my new NS92V this afternoon. It does not output 480i/576i over HDMI.
576i comes only through components. I'll investigate about possible hacking to make that work. Otherwise, I'll give it back to the shop.

BTW, First impression is very good PQ over HDMI but a bit special when trying to read non original discs. Not tested audio capabilities yet.

If I find the time, I'll run DVE to give more info.

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I don't think the Sony 3100ES does 480i over HDMI - it's not listed in the options anyway. Is there a hack for it or something?
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