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post #721 of 2201 Old 04-21-2006, 02:02 PM
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I bought the NS75H because it had a good price and had good preliminary reviews. I was curious about upconversion, my RP91 is getting old, I don't anticipate getting an HD player for at least 5 years, and I could save the price of quite a few DVDs compared to the Panasonic S97 (my first choice). At least that was my justification -- I have a lot of DVDs.


I had the same reasons for purchasing the 85H: 1) Good price 2) Good reviews 3) Curious about upconversion 4) My DVD player was really old (composite video) 5) I am not planning on buying HD-DVD or Blu-Ray for maybe 3 years (although I wouldn't rule out a PS3) 6) I have 250+ DVDs that I want to look as good as possible.

I bought the 85H instead of the 75H because I love the changer functionality and for just $15-$20 more, it is a bargain. Sure helps to switch between movies and the AVIA disc with the push of a button rather than taking out and loading discs all the time.
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Ktulu_1 -- I just got an email response from Silicon Optix (I emailed them last night asking about the differences between 1.2 & 1.4). The answer was "There are small differences between the two versions." I will be able to check it out for myself since Silicon Optix said they would send me the latest version.

The 3:2 Detection Test is the same. I got a 10 on both 480i & 480p.

My RP91 was a "0" on 480p and a "10-/5+" on 480i with my MT700 PJ (about 7 or 8 frames before lock, IIRC, -- I didn't run the test with my the RP91 and my HC3 PJ & the RP91 is disconnected now).

I'm flabbergasted! So you're telling me that at 480p over HDMI the 75H locks into 3:2 and there is no moire in the grandstand?

What is your progressive setting? Auto or Video?

When you say you're testing at 480i I can only assume you mean over component. 480i is pointless in the discussion of the player as the disc will be testing the deinterlacing of your display.

EDIT: You're going to make me drag the thing out and hook it up again, aren't you? Also, when I add your scores up I get 113. Is that correct?

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Tried the gamma test by using Irfanview to take a picture and boost the gamma - but I wasn't really able to duplicate the graininess (not at 1.25 anyway). Nevertheless, I switched from Cinema 1 to Standard and re-calibrated with AVIA. Found that brightness and contrast had to be bumped up higher to see the bars on both patterns. I am now running a contrast of 80 (out of 100) and a brightness of 53 (out of a 100). I read in the calibrations forum that you want as high a contrast as possible, with as low a brightness as possible. Should I be concerned with such a high contrast on a plasma? On all settings, I see both bars on both tests. Not sure if this means the 85H is passing BTB in Standard, Cinema 1 and Cinema 2.

Might check in the plasma forum... what were you're settings before? I would imagine that as long as you're not displaying static material for any extended period you would be ok.

What did you think of the picture after you calibrated it using the standard setting as compared to your previous settings?
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Hey CT
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I bought the NS75H because it had a good price and had good preliminary reviews. I was curious about upconversion, my RP91 is getting old, I don't anticipate getting an HD player for at least 5 years, and I could save the price of quite a few DVDs compared to the Panasonic S97 (my first choice). At least that was my justification -- I have a lot of DVDs.

So you would have went with the s97 if it was as cheap as the sony????
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I've been reading this site for a little over a month now and appreciate all of the great sharing of information. This forum steered me to upgrade my DVD player and last week, I purchased the 75H and hooked it up to my Samsung HL-5078W DLP via HDMI cable. I connected the audio from the 75H to my Denon AVR-2105 via optical. I have turned on the Dolby and DTS audio out on the 75H. Good picture on the set and 5.1 sound from the receiver. My problem is there is substantial delay or lip sync between the speakers and the television. I've read the Denon manual and 75H manual and cannot find a solution to eliminate the lip sync. On the 75H, the manual says the audio adjustment to correct this problem does not work when connected to a receiver using an optical connection. Anybody out there steer me to a fix?

Has anyone addressed this guys issue?
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Has anyone addressed this guys issue?

He should simply use a digital coax cable instead of the optical, if the manual doesn't say he can't. Not sure about the 2105 Denon, but the 3805 for example, has an audio delay function within it.
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I finally got off my lazy arse and went out and picked up this player, as soon as I got it home I quickly connected it to my SP 4805 because I was dying of curiosity about how it would look!

Well, the image quality of this player is, in a word, incredible! I switched and tried all three formats and ALL of them shined on the 4805, in fact, I have it set to 1080i and that's where this bad boy is staying! I popped in Star Wars Clone Wars Vol. 2 and just stared in awe at the pure digital light show that was gracing my 103" screen. I did notice that my projector, as mentioned, never changed to any other resolution besides 480p, but in all honesty, to my eyes, it hardly mattered lol.

Bottom line for me, i've NEVER seen standard def dvd look this clean and pure until today, and anyone with a SP 4805 who is hesitant on getting this player, I can assure you that you have nothing to worry about. All of the subtle noise that standard componant video introduced into the image is GONE!

As a sidenote, Samsung should be freakin' ashamed of themselves for putting out such a cheap piece of garbage like the 860, the Sony NS75H SLAMS it into the dirt...then eats it for breakfast!

BTW, after spending nerly 5 hrs with it and sampling everything from Titanic to the Star Wars trilogy, I haven't experienced nary a single video drop-out and the audio sync is dead on from my Onkyo reciever.
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Claus, I was dieing to know what the heck is going on here so I hooked the player back up and ran the tests again at 480p over HDMI and 480p over component. The results remain the same. I also did 480i over component to test the deinterlacer in my display. The player is slightly better. One of four things are going on here.

1. I'm insane and cant differentiate fantasy from reality

2. My player is faulty but the ones that work are actually better deinterlacers than about 2 or 3 of the players ever made all for $130.

3. There is something wrong with your results, testing, etc.

4. There is something wrong with my results, testing, etc and this player is a better deinterlacer than about 2 or 3 players ever made and some video processors.

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Claus, I was dieing to know what the heck is going on here so I hooked the player back up and ran the tests again at 480p over HDMI and 480p over component. The results remain the same. I also did 480i over component to test the deinterlacer in my display. The player is slightly better. One of four things are going on here.

1. I'm insane and cant differentiate fantasy from reality

2. My player is faulty but the ones that work are actually better deinterlacers than about 2 or 3 of the players ever made all for $130.

3. There is something wrong with your results, testing, etc.

4. There is something wrong with my results, testing, etc and this player is a better deinterlacer than about 2 or 3 players ever made and some video processors.

Ummm, I'm voting #1

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Might check in the plasma forum... what were you're settings before? I would imagine that as long as you're not displaying static material for any extended period you would be ok.

What did you think of the picture after you calibrated it using the standard setting as compared to your previous settings?

My AVIA calibrated settings were (all out of 100):

Standard - Contrast:80, Brightness: 53
Cinema 1 - Contrast:75, Brightness: 50
Cinema 2 - Contrast:70, Brightness: 45

Definitely a pattern, don't you think? To be honest, couldn't say that any of them were "better" than the others. If contrast should be as high as possible, with brightness as low as possible, there definitely seems to be some tradeoffs with using the Cinema settings. As I mentioned earlier, I see both bars in both tests on all settings.
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I was watching Hostel and I also had a video-audio drop out for a second.
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ok so I tried sony's advice to power down tv and dvd player and rehook cables b4 repowering up....and the same thing continues ..now the list grows as every movie i watch has an audio video droput problem through the hdmi at every possible resloution setting..including changing the output to RGB ....I worked on this for 4 hours last nite..

.the only thing I did notice is that...no matter what movies..or at what scene I select..after 15 minutes i get a small white flash on bottom of picture...at about 23 minutes of watching..the first video droput occurs..followed by a second at about 26 minutes...

another weird thing was the video dropout and white flash that happenned while I had stopped disc and was looking at the custom menu..I was deciding what adjustment to try next..now i know when you chage resolution setting..you get a momentary dropout as the picture adjusts itself...but I had not done anthing when this occured!!!

another note..the blue lite stayed on during dropouts..some have stated they noticed the blue light go out as if a handshake had a momentary failure..this did not happen to me....

also note...the audio continues cleanly with no drop out when listening to digital out to receiver..but if you are watching and listening through tv only..you lose the audio with the video dropout



I beginning to think it it is the player and not the cable......maybe it is not compatable with my panny plasma via hdmi

any way..just to reassure myself the hdmi on tv is ok,,I rehooked up my hd cable box via the dvi out..using an hdmi to dvi cable and it worked perfect...I rehooked up the player via the components to tv......and it played perfectly......

guess i gotta decide which to do first...buy a new cable..and return it if problem is still there....or bring back player and exchange it...
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Claus, I was dieing to know what the heck is going on here so I hooked the player back up and ran the tests again at 480p over HDMI and 480p over component. The results remain the same. I also did 480i over component to test the deinterlacer in my display. The player is slightly better. One of four things are going on here.

1. I'm insane and cant differentiate fantasy from reality

2. My player is faulty but the ones that work are actually better deinterlacers than about 2 or 3 of the players ever made all for $130.

3. There is something wrong with your results, testing, etc.

4. There is something wrong with my results, testing, etc and this player is a better deinterlacer than about 2 or 3 players ever made and some video processors.


I am really interested in the difference in results
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Hey Ace..I just picked up a "75" and have a 60 SXRD. What are your settings on the dvd player...I have it on 1080 and not automatic, but was wondering aout cinema settings and sharpness..

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CC has the 75h (in stock, I hope) for $115, so I expect to pick one up today.

I normally don't buy extended warranties but, considering that this is a relatively newer product, I was wondering whether it would make sense to buy one.

Do other owners get the warranty?
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CC has the 75h (in stock, I hope) for $115, so I expect to pick one up today.

I normally don't buy extended warranties but, considering that this is a relatively newer product, I was wondering whether it would make sense to buy one.

Do other owners get the warranty?

IMO it's a waste of money for a $129 item.

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Standard - Contrast:80, Brightness: 53
Cinema 1 - Contrast:75, Brightness: 50
Cinema 2 - Contrast:70, Brightness: 45

hey tigershark , Are these default settings on the player or are they manually set by this user?
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hey tigershark , Are these default settings on the player or are they manually set by this user?

I think those settings (out of 100) are on the TV, to get the equivalent results on the AVIA test disk for each of the DVD settings. I don't think you can adjust the DVD player picture settings on standard, cinema 1 or cinema 2.

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Ummm, I'm voting #1

Thanks for your support.


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I am really interested in the difference in results

I was starting to think that I was doing something wrong, but after testing it again last night and the range other players score at I'm confident in my findings.

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ohhh soo he set his tv different for each dvd setting? do you get better PQ if you do that?
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was the cable all along..i had bought a generic 15 foot cable on e-bay.....that was the cause..I sprung for a 12 foot A/R HDMI cable..and player works perfect..no more dropouts.....but 111.00 is a killer for a cable..and the monster's are so much more for shorter lenghts.......but now I can sit back enjoy player..the picture quality is phenominal....the best dvd player out there for upconversion and component viewing
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Thanks for your support.




I was starting to think that I was doing something wrong, but after testing it again last night and the range other players score at I'm confident in my findings.


As much as I would like it, I am thinking a player at this level that scores a 110 really seems unlikely
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was the cable all along..i had bought a generic 15 foot cable on e-bay.....that was the cause..I sprung for a 12 foot A/R HDMI cable..and player works perfect..no more dropouts.....but 111.00 is a killer for a cable..and the monster's are so much more for shorter lenghts.......but now I can sit back enjoy player..the picture quality is phenominal....the best dvd player out there for upconversion and component viewing

I'm glad that was the problem. I gotta tell you though, $111 is brutal. I got my 25' HDMI cable from Monoprice for a great price and it works flawlessly with my player. Did you get a good return policy with that cable?

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Just FYI, but the sharpness control on dvd players rarely ever work well, just about every player that i've seen that features it only ends up introducing bad ringing, similar to EE, into the image and this player, as great as it is, is no exception.

I always use the sharpness control on my monitor, 9 times out of ten it'll do a much better job than any player. BTW, I watched the Superbit version of Spider-man 2 tonight on the 75H...just WOW!!

I LOVE this player, it'll definitely make my self-imposed two year wait for either Blu-ray or HDDVD more tolerable.
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ok, just watched Independence Day-- since I got this player I have only had it set on 720 (I have the Panny 900) so tonight I played with it some more and tried 1080...I know why did I not try that the first night?? Well, I have not got good results on any other so I never thought to try. But actually, the picture was quite good at 1080i - no jitters very smooth. I haven't figured out a way to view 1080 vs 720 switching quickly back and forth (anyone??) but I think to my eyes the 1080 was a go and I will continue for awhile on that mode. By the way, is Independence Day a good or bad transfer??
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I also found 1080i to be preferable to 720p. Either way I'm doing some scaling because my PJ is native 576p but for whatever reason 1080i produces a more satisfying picture. This was NOT the case with the NS70h.

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utente -- I decided to get their 3-year protection plan package. As I said before, I did it primarily because is gives me an unconditional 30 day return guarantee and it will take me that long to try out the HDMI performance. In addition, as observed in this thread, some units (very few) have had problems. With any brand new unit, there can be problems which show up later. Normally I would agree with cheezz, it's a waste of money, in this case, I had my personal reasons, as stated.

Ktulu_1 -- I reran the HQV again last night (Component Connections only! -- My HDMI PJ is Dead!). The only difference was that the 3:2 Detection (Race Car) should have been a "0" at 480p and a borderline "10" (better than a "5" though) on 480i (the same results I got with my RP91 DVD player - same connections). Someone said (& I can't find it) that my total was wrong, true it was wrong . The correct total should be = 103, 480p (component) and 108+, 480i (component).
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Claus, I was dieing to know what the heck is going on here so I hooked the player back up and ran the tests again at 480p over HDMI and 480p over component. The results remain the same. I also did 480i over component to test the deinterlacer in my display. The player is slightly better. One of four things are going on here.

1. I'm insane and cant differentiate fantasy from reality

2. My player is faulty but the ones that work are actually better deinterlacers than about 2 or 3 of the players ever made all for $130.

3. There is something wrong with your results, testing, etc.

4. There is something wrong with my results, testing, etc and this player is a better deinterlacer than about 2 or 3 players ever made and some video processors.

I, too, am curious as to why we get different results (no to all your items 1 - 4). BTW, the NS75H has a button on the front panel to switch the Progressive mode On/Off. The other difference is that you are using the HDMI connection vs. my use of the Component Connections. This difference is likely the major cause (the original HQV Test Results thread gave the early models of the Panny S97 & Oppo 971H about the same results that you got with your NS75H, and they were worse than you got with your S77 tests - I went back and looked at your Post #296).

The only other possibility that I can come up with are the differences in our displays or our NS75Hs. I'm using a Mitsubishi HC3 LCD (960 x 540) projector on a 106" diagonal screen and you're using a JVC 56", D-ILA (1280 x 720) RPTV. As such, your display, although smaller, is much more precise than mine (mine does auto detect a progressive input). Also, I don't know what processing my projector is doing to the signal ("behind my back" ). I have the HC3 "auto" functions turned off - at least the ones I can get to.

When my MT700 was working (1280 x 720, DLP projector, same screen), the results I got with my Panny RP91 DVD player (also Component connections) were similar to yours. After my MT700 failed & I got the HC3 as a (cheap backup), the RP91/HC3/HQV results were about the same. You can imagine how happy I was to see the NS75H improvement. There will be some differences in our scores due to the differences in our subjective perceptions, but not 40-50 points worth.

Its too bad we're about a half a continent away from each other. It would be interesting to see our NS75Hs side by side on the same display.

Itsdon -- Maybe you can moderate this issue, since you don't live too far from me? I gather that you don't have the HQV DVD. Unfortunately, with my schedule, I will be unavailable for about 2 weeks.

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The only advantage of getting the NS75H now, is that the Blu-Ray/HD-DVD war will not be settled for at least 5 years (IMHO) and the movies you want to watch will probably not be released for the next year or two.

CC has HD-DVD Players out already for $500. Walmart has a few HD-DVDs (Serenity for one).

And, think about it. What do you think you'll be calling your dvd player a year or two from now?

HD & DVD are the common terminology NOW.

Blu-Ray may not go away completely (just look at Apple). But HD-DVD is going to win.

Blu-Ray already smells of Beta. Mark my words.
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I'm not a tekkie so I thank you in advance for the answer to my question. I currently have a 60" Sony SXRD and I am running a Panasonic DVD H1000 progressive scan player via components. I realize this player is older technology but the picture looks good.

Would I see a much improved picture with an upconverting player through HDMI?

Perhaps I should wait for Blue ray...

I'm not sure how upconversion works as it relates to my 1080 tv.

Thanks again,

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You have a $4500 TV, another $500 for an HD-DVD player makes sense and it upconverts standard DVDs. Only thing is can you stand to have an RCA? You can always try it from CC and return in 30 days. Check Amazon for the number of HD-DVD titles already available, too.

CC also has a Blu-Ray for double the cost--just more evidence it's a Beta machine.

Myself, I would wait a while until something other than RCA is available in HD-DVD. I have a 1080i Panny RPTV at 60" and my 6+ year-old Panny DVD player did almost as good as the 75 does over component.
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Personally, i'm not touching HD DVD until the technology has a little time to mature and prove itself dependable becuase I was one of the early adopters of DVD back in 97 and went through two players before I found one that didn't freeze up or pixelate like a mother, hell, I STILL have the occasional nightmare about the Panasonic A110! That player was so diseased from birth that a priest couldn't fix it.

Plus, there just aren't any titles at the moment, sure I have this gleaming and pretty new HD DVD player, but what am I going to watch on it right now?

And of course, price, in a couple of years I could probably buy a player for about $300, AND there will be more titles.
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