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I've been using the HDMI exclusively in my S52. A good thing, given the article in the benchmarks. I don't plan on using the component video out (also a good thing after reading the benchmarks article).
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As the Benchmark test points out:

"The core performance on the HDMI side was quite good. The S52 is not cropping any pixels via HDMI and retains the full dynamic range of the luma signal. It does not clip below black or above white information in the image. The player also doesn't have any signs of Y/C delay via HDMI, which helps with the overall sharpness of the image.

The S52 does suffer from some slight flickering in our CUE testing with alternating 3-2 cadence based material. This cadence is common in some of the early Pixar and Disney DVDs and can be noticeable at times. All of the other CUE tests were passed, including the 4:2:0 ICP test which means this player does some chroma filtering.

The core performance of the component (analog) outputs was completely different and not nearly as good..."

So, not too bad at all out of the HDMI...forget using the component video outs though...As an HDMI out only beast...not too bad at all...
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Should it play an audio cd? I put in an audio cd and the time/play display came on screen suggesting that it was playing the cd, but I was getting no sound. It is hooked up by optical digital to my Pioneer receiver--could it be that I have to use the stereo rca outs from the dvd player to hear cd audio?

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Should it play an audio cd? I put in an audio cd and the time/play display came on screen suggesting that it was playing the cd, but I was getting no sound. It is hooked up by optical digital to my Pioneer receiver--could it be that I have to use the stereo rca outs from the dvd player to hear cd audio?

Thanks!

I've always attached an digital coax and analog rca outs for both digital and analog sound so...I'd suggest that you add the analog rca outs...

You did try pushing the play button, eh?
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Very funny...yes I did push play and the little time indicator was moving. I'll try the RCA outputs.
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anyone try this player on a pio 4360hd??? also has anyone tried the hd860 on the same plasma??? thanks!
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Hi all,
I am also interested in buying the Panasonic 52 model, but after reading this thread I am not so sure. The main reason for me buying a new DVD is because I need a new DVD player to go with my LCD Tv, which is Panasonic 32LX600. I'm not sure but I think I need an upconverting DVD player to maximize the functionality of this TV. The price point of the 52 is what attracted me, and is also what concerns me. I have also been looking at the Oppo970, and I think I am leaning towards that one. I just wanted to ask for some opinions. Is this a fair comparison, or is it apples and oranges? Is expensive or cheaper always better? In terms of video quality and audio quality alone (not considering other features like playback formats), which one is better? Are there others at similar price points?

By the way, I watch only DVDs, and I have a pretty solid home theater in a box. I intend to connect via HDMI, with optical audio output. I cannot call myself a videophile, but I can tell the difference between crappy signals and good signals, not necessarily good signals and fantastic signals.

Any reply is appreciated. Thanks in advanced.
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Hi all,
I am also interested in buying the Panasonic 52 model, but after reading this thread I am not so sure. The main reason for me buying a new DVD is because I need a new DVD player to go with my LCD Tv, which is Panasonic 32LX600. I'm not sure but I think I need an upconverting DVD player to maximize the functionality of this TV. The price point of the 52 is what attracted me, and is also what concerns me. I have also been looking at the Oppo970, and I think I am leaning towards that one.

The S52 provides nice HDMI output (sharp/clear/good colour) for its price. The SecretsOfHiFi Benchmark review, for the most part, lowered the S52's score due to its Component Video outputs. If you're just playing your clean store bought DVD collection with it you may not need anything else. The Canadian version plays DiVX as well (and does quite a good job of it).

The Oppo971 is a fantastic player with wonderful reviews. The Oppo970 hasn't really been reviewed by Secrets of HiFi Benchmarks yet. All we really know is that Oppo doesn't expect it to get the same kind of reviews that the 971 received (though, one may still expect great things of it). Here's the AVS Forum thread on the 970: http://avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=682896

The Oppo 971 outputs to DVI but gives you the DVI:HDMI cable. Yes, you won't be getting HDMI:HDMI but that won't make any difference to your Video signal.

So, at slightly more $ than the S52, the 970 offers a lot. Personally; however, I would think that if you can afford the $50 more for the Oppo971 then go with it. The 971 offers slightly better performance than the Panasonic S97 and S77 (and they are/were both very fine machines - though, I should note that they both could give you 480p through component video and the Oppo971 only offers 480p through DVI/HDMI).
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get the new pio 490v. the s52s has a lot more features but when it comes to pq the pio beat it in my tests
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get the new pio 490v. the s52s has a lot more features but when it comes to pq the pio beat it in my tests

standard141, how did you test these two players and what with?

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i tested them with a bunch of dvds on my 4360hd. im just an average tv user who looks for pq and in lord of the rings, star wars, indiana jones, the untouchables, troy, saving private ryan, the matrix the pio came out ontop with blacker blacks and overall nicer more vibrant colors. i did tweak the settings on all players to make sure i had the best possible picture, the panny and sammy just didnt do it for me. it takes a couple of seconds for the dvd player to actually start however once its on its really responsive. plus divx playback was amazing, it also plays xvids. another great feature is this plays pal i dunno why but it plays them; i have an ntsc unit. it really beats the other 99 dollar players.
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Thanks, standard141.

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...another great feature is this plays pal i dunno why but it plays them...

The Panasonics pass PAL information to the tv but will only be able to display PAL if the TV can display PAL. The Pioneers, Oppos, JVCs (and quite a few others) convert PAL to NTSC so that NTSC TVs can display.
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Thanks, standard141.

np hope i helped
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I got this player yesterday and some of the settings confuse me. Not sure which HDMI color space mode I should be using and what the RGB range should be set to.

I calibrated it with AVIA and popped a few DVDs in and the colors were way too bright (flesh tones were orange/red and not natural at all). I put AVIA back in and checked it again and the hue and saturation were perfectly calibrated. I put some DVDs back in the player and manually adjusted the color saturation and hue and then put AVIA back in and it was way off again (too colorful again). I've never had this problem before and I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong.

This player is connected to my Westinghouse 32" LCD with a HDMI cable and I have it set to 720P (not sure if 1080i would be the way to go or not).
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Just a quick guess. Set the color space to 4:4:4. Keep it on 720p. Put the picture into User mode; move the color control to -6 or -7. Now calibrate it with Avia.

Any better?
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Just a quick guess. Set the color space to 4:4:4. Keep it on 720p. Put the picture into User mode; move the color control to -6 or -7. Now calibrate it with Avia.

Any better?

I had it set to RGB and user mode with everything at 0. I set it to 4:4:4 and put color at -7 and it still is way too colorful. When I used Avia this time I paid better attention and the red push is about 10-15%. Not sure if it is the dvd player or the tv.
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teddyc23 -- I don't understand why you want to do that to a 2.35:1 movie. You are making the picture bigger (true zoom) and you lose all of the information that is on each side (and on a lot of 2.35:1 movies that's a lot of information that can be key to what the movie director intended you to see). It sounds like you've been brainwashed into thinking that all pictures have to be 16:9 in order to be "good".

The only time using a Zoom function yields better results is when watching a non-anamorphic DVD.....the zoom allows you to watch the movie without being stretched.

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Is anyone using thier S52S to display videos taken with a digital camera? According to the manual the S52S will only play MPEG-4 videos, and they have to be in .ASF format.

Has anyone successfully converted MPG and MOV files to the type of ASF that the S52S requires? If so how did you do it?
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I apologize if this is covered elsewhere or in another thread... it's hard to
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This player seems to play audio in fast/slow playback.
Does it also display subtitles during fast/slow?
thanks in advance.
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I apologize if this is covered elsewhere or in another thread... it's hard to
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This player seems to play audio in fast/slow playback.
Does it also display subtitles during fast/slow?
thanks in advance.

Do you really think you could read subtitles during fast forward? Anyway, I doubt it, but don't know for sure.

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I don't think that you can do subtitles at a faster than normal speed...I'm sure that you have a reason for wanting this...other than editing, I can't think of one...Is there a speed subtitle reading course?
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The S52 (and other Panasonic Divx DVD-players) have a very advanced playback speed control. They all can fast forward (with manual speed) with sound and keep the subtitles showing. It is handy to skip trough a certain boring scene without missing the plot or scan for a specific part.

Btw, recently a new firmware hack was released for the S52 wich makes the player RCE region free and removing UOP. You can find it on the Panasonic S52 Info Site (search on Google, as I still can't post URL's). Many more info about the S52 can be found there as well.
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When I play a CD or DVD with JPEG files burned onto it, the S52 displays them but they look jaggy and pixellated. I thought this player used it's full selected resolution to display JPEG's. Is this not the case? Pictures displayed from the S52 sure don't look like 1920x1080... they look like SD.

When I hookup my laptop to my RPTV it looks much better. Both the laptop and the S52S are connected to my RPTV at 1080i yet the laptop does a vastly superior job displaying pictures (no jaggies\\stairstepping).

So can anyone confirm how the S52 really displays JPG's? The manual doesn't say.
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Page 5 of the manual:
Format
[JPEG]
Disc
DVD-RAM
DVD-R/RW
CD-R/RW
Extension.JPG
.jpg
.JPEG
.jpeg
Reference
≥ JPEG files taken on a digital camera that conform
to DCF Standard Version 1.0 are displayed.
- Files that have been altered, edited or
saved with computer picture editing
software may not be displayed.
≥ This unit cannot display moving pictures,
MOTION JPEG and other such formats, still
pictures other than JPEG (e.gTIFF) or play
pictures with attached audio.

On page 26

Exif Ver 2.1 JPEG Baseline files
Picture resolution: between 160k120 and 6144k4096 pixels (Sub sampling is 4:0:0,
4:2:0, 4:2:2 or 4:4:4)
Extremely long and slender pictures may not be displayed.


So, it'll display them...but, of course, at the resolution limits of the source format...they aren't going to look like HD...
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I read all that, but it doesn't address the question of how the S52 processes jpeg's. What many DVD players do is simply process the photo at 720x480 then rescale that your selected output resolution (1920x1080 or 1280x720). So obviously, this looks like crap on any respectable TV.

I suspect this is what the S52 is doing but was hoping for confirmation or perhaps some way to correct this shortcoming.

I'm just going to return it and get the Samsung HD860, which specifically states HD jpeg capability.
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I just picked up an S52-K (black colour) here in Canada. Waiting on a Monoprice HDMI cable before I hook it up. I'll post back after I try it out.
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I have the Panasonic S52S connected via HDMI to a Panasonic HD Plasma TV. I have the Canadian version of each. My problem is with the DVD player, it seems to randomly black out. At least once per 2 hour movie it will send a black signal to the TV for 3 or 4 seconds. I can rewind the movie and watch the same scene again without any problems. Anyone else have a similar experience???
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I have the Panasonic S52S connected via HDMI to a Panasonic HD Plasma TV. I have the Canadian version of each. My problem is with the DVD player, it seems to randomly black out.

Unless your cables are loose or broken, I suggest that you get the player replaced. This sounds like you got the lemon in the bunch.
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