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My kids and I wanted a PS3 anyways. This just kills 2 birds with 1 stone. I always got to put the kids first.
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Hello Everyone,

Somewhat off-topic, but does anyone know if Denon (or anyone else for that matter) is coming up with a 5 or 6 disk universal DVD changer with HDMI and one of the newer, better scaling/de-interlacing chips?

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Maybe so, but who in their right mind would buy that POS first generation clunker just to play DVDs? I understand your point if you want the HD-DVDs too (I don't), but even then it would seem to make more sense to wait for a second generation player without all the quirks.

And no, I am not a Blu Ray guy. I have no intention of getting either one for several years. I will let you first adapters - read beta testers - have all the fun.

But why spend $1,500 on a SD DVD player, no matter how good, when you can get one almost as good for $200 (Oppo) and save the rest for a 2nd gen HD/BD-DVD player? And who says the Toshiba A-1 is a POS except a Blu-Ray proponent (as if the Samsung BD player was something to brag about)? Or better you you could spend that $1,500 now on a DVDO VP-20/30 and improve PQ on all your digital video, not just DVD, not to mention getting a nice HDMI switcher in the bargain?

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But why spend $1,500 on a SD DVD player, no matter how good, when you can get one almost as good for $200 (Oppo) and save the rest for a 2nd gen HD/BD-DVD player? And who says the Toshiba A-1 is a POS except a Blu-Ray proponent (as if the Samsung BD player was something to brag about)? Or better you you could spend that $1,500 now on a DVDO VP-20/30 and improve PQ on all your digital video, not just DVD, not to mention getting a nice HDMI switcher in the bargain?

Some folks here get the 3910/3930 not just for the upscaling SD-DVD playback... they also want to listen to DVD-A/SACD 2ch/multichannel musics as well.
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Some folks here get the 3910/3930 not just for the upscaling SD-DVD playback... they also want to listen to DVD-A/SACD 2ch/multichannel musics as well.

Agreed, most of the extra expense is devoted to the audio section of this player, and to me it is worth it to have a universal player that is on par with a dedicated music transport.

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There's also reliability and quality control in addition to sound quality. I don't know if my impression is correct or not, but you'd also get that with the Denon more so than with Oppo.

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I'm not sure if Denon has better quality control or not. But, I will say Oppo's customer service is top notch. Rumor is Oppo is coming out with a higher end player within the next six months or so - should be interesting.

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The Denons (at least with my 2900 and 3910) are pretty well built and reliable... at least more reliable than my Pioneer DV-S10A (which died a year after I got it all the way from HK).

One thing I don't like my 3910 is that when you choose to use i.Link audio the coax/optical SPDIF ports are disabled! With my setup I can't connect the SPDIF to my 2ch DAC for CD and the i.Link to my Pioneer Elite for 2ch/multichannels SACD/DVD-A without going through the setup menu to make the change. If the 3930 allow both to be active at the same time I'm all for it After reading more and more on this player it got me seriously tempted I just don't know if I should get another $1000+ Cadn player again at this time esp. when my Toshiba HD-A1 is doing a fine job on SD-DVD movies w/ HD-DVD playback capability, and my 3910 has me covered for hi-res audio.
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One thing I don't like my 3910 is that when you choose to use i.Link audio the coax/optical SPDIF ports are disabled! With my setup I can't connect the SPDIF to my 2ch DAC for CD and the i.Link to my Pioneer Elite for 2ch/multichannels SACD/DVD-A without going through the setup menu to make the change.

Ditto for me, when using MC analog for music/SACD/DVD-A, and DL3 for movies I have to go into the menu to make the switch. It is annoying, but I think it's a pretty common thing with most players to disable one or the other.

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It is annoying, but I think it's a pretty common thing with most players to disable one or the other.

well I think it's not uncommon to have both available. The Pio 59 does. Also, for the 3910 if u set video output to be HDMI, you will have no output at component. You have to set the output either digital or analogue. The pio has both active at the same time.

I hope the new Denons do not have these restrictions. The 5910 has both active. So if they follow the design pattern the new ones should be the same.
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well I think it's not uncommon to have both available. The Pio 59 does. Also, for the 3910 if u set video output to be HDMI, you will have no output at component. You have to set the output either digital or analogue. The pio has both active at the same time.

I hope the new Denons do not have these restrictions. The 5910 has both active. So if they follow the design pattern the new ones should be the same.

Well, I was talking about analog vs. digital audio in this case, and I should really clarify. The 3910 will output via the MC analog outs while DL3 is activated, but the AL24 plus indicator doesn't light up until you disable DL3.

As far as simultaneous video output , I don't know, but it's not something I would ever do anyway.

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EDIT: sorry I see how the confusion starts. I was actually referring to Quad's remarks.

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The 3910 will output via the MC analog outs while DL3 is activated, but the AL24 plus indicator doesn't light up until you disable DL3.

Well AL24 plus is an analogue "feature", it *may* make some sense to disable itself when DL3 is enabled, since it thinks you are going to use DL3 to do a digital transport and go whatever DA processing in the receiver. Since DL3 carries both DVDA and SACD now, it probably is excuseable. (i.e. if u can use DL3 in the receiver for DD/DTS , why can't you use it for mc audio ?)

Quad's complaint, which I fully share, is that is disables SPDIF audio out when u select ilink. SPDIF is another digital transport, which is very useful for a 2channel setup. For pure stereo we may have a separate gear in addition to the pre/pro for HT. I think the 5910 doesn't have this restriction. The pio 59 doesn't have either.


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As far as simultaneous video output , I don't know, but it's not something I would ever do anyway.

I guess it will be very useful when it's connected to multiple displays, say a TV set and a projector at the same time. Not that I have both on at the same time, but I should not need to "select" an output whenever I turn on a PJ or a TV. Again the 5910 has no such restriction so I'm optimistic on this.
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I could see how that could be a problem, just not one that I've ever run up against because my setup is more conventional: 3910 connected to a 3805 connected to a single 5.1 speaker setup, no additional amplification, no additional display.

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If you guys are just going to talk about the 3910, could you please take it to the 3910 thread? Thanks.

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Can anyone report any sightings of the '3930 for sale? I've seen only the following on a pre-order basis.
http://www.newyorkwholesaleaudiovide...3928C1711.aspx
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Cool, now we have a price. (Unless I missed it earlier).

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Yes, and a price on the 2930 as well.

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Cool, now we have a price. (Unless I missed it earlier).

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Mind you, that's a discounted price from an unauthorized online dealer.
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Mind you, that's a discounted price from an unauthorized online dealer.

Which makes it very risky (I believe Denon does not honor the warranty on unauthorized dealer purchases). I believe the list price is $1500 (same as the 3910).
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Update according to my local Denon dealer:

Denon will ship the DVD-2930CI this month -- probably towards month end. MSRP: $849. The DVD-3930CI ships in August -- end of the month. MSRP: $1499

The DVD-3910 goes away, but the DVD-2910 stays in the line to fill the gap between the DVD-1930 (August/$349) and the 2930CI.
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Mind you, that's a discounted price from an unauthorized online dealer.

True 'nuff.
I just called my guy at Magnolia. No date for anything but the 1930 (I didn't ask), but the price for the 2930 & 3930 were list (see above) and they already had a few pre-orders.

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Is there any info. on the 2930 as far as audio/ video inputs and outputs? I was wondering if there is a i-link output.

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Is there any info. on the 2930 as far as audio/ video inputs and outputs? I was wondering if there is a i-link output.

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It doesn't appear to.
http://www.avbuzz.com/audio-video/20..._DVD/index.htm

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It doesn't appear to.
http://www.avbuzz.com/audio-video/20..._DVD/index.htm

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Shane,

Thanks for the link. I wonder if it is HDMI 1.2.

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Shane,

Thanks for the link. I wonder if it is HDMI 1.2.

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HDMI 的輸出同時包括多聲道的音頻信號 version 1.1

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Sorry about that, how could I have missed that! How would you say that by the way.

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Sorry about that, how could I have missed that! How would you say that by the way.

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I'm not sure if Denon has better quality control or not. But, I will say Oppo's customer service is top notch. Rumor is Oppo is coming out with a higher end player within the next six months or so - should be interesting.

I just picked up a referbished Denon DVD-2200. I wanted a universal dvd player with good build quality and excellent audio quality. I have heard good things about the Oppo players, but skeptical about just how good sub 5lb player can be in the build and audio quality. I'd heard some say that companies like Denon just jack up the prices of their units and that is why Oppo is so cheap. I'm not saying that theory is wrong, but I would love to have it proven correct with Oppo coming out with a universal player that will play about every format known to exist, with HDMI 1.2, the new Silicon Optics like the Denon DVD-2930, Burr-Brown DSD-179X chips, isolated construction in a 10lb package, and a <$500 price. THAT would rock!!! Ok...I'll wake up now.

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It doesn't appear to.
http://www.avbuzz.com/audio-video/20..._DVD/index.htm

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Thanks for the link. Loks like they are still using the same Burr-Brown DSD-1791 chips in the 2930 as in my 2200. Getting a lot of mileage out of them. I'll just keep my 2200 for audio and wait for a HD player to use as my video player.

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I just picked up a referbished Denon DVD-2200. I wanted a universal dvd player with good build quality and excellent audio quality. I have heard good things about the Oppo players, but skeptical about just how good sub 5lb player can be in the build and audio quality. I'd heard some say that companies like Denon just jack up the prices of their units and that is why Oppo is so cheap. I'm not saying that theory is wrong, but I would love to have it proven correct with Oppo coming out with a universal player that will play about every format known to exist, with HDMI 1.2, the new Silicon Optics like the Denon DVD-2930, Burr-Brown DSD-179X chips, isolated construction in a 10lb package, and a <$500 price. THAT would rock!!! Ok...I'll wake up now.

Well the new one does that (play all the audio formats) but over HDMI 1.1 which is arguably just as good. As for the BB DACs, if youve got an HDMI 1.1 compliant receiver/processor you have no need for ANY DACs in the player.
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