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I respectively disagree on the upscaling issue. I am not the only one who has put the 3910 out to pasture. I think Denon better get on the HD issue (either Blu-ray or HD DVD) soon. Although I suspect Blu-ray is having some rather thorny issues with their format at this stage of the game.

And I am a Denon fan. When they release a HD player I will be first in line.

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I know it will be a while until any reviews are out but it seem on paper the 3930 has the potential to be one of if not the best standalone player out there. With components like these how could Denon mess it up? as many people have mentioned they will. If the components are used to their potential will this compete with available SDI-scaler setups?

If these players use the SO for scaling, it will be the first. The 5910 uses a ABT scaler. And, theoretically a one box solution would be better than a SDI->scaler solution. However, up until the 5910 and these new players the deinterlacers were better in the external processors. External scalers are more versatile. You will not see a DVD player from one of the big names that does "unlimited" video frequency output (resolutions) like external scalers. Let's not forget that SDI means no HDCP restrictions, too. That's still a big issue for some folks.

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Anyone willing to spend anything over 400 dollars on an SD dvd player at this point is a prime-time fool. If it's all about video quality, then those dollars should be put towards the next-gen formats, whether you jump in now or wait awhile.

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Anyone willing to spend anything over 400 dollars on an SD dvd player at this point is a prime-time fool. If it's all about video quality, then those dollars should be put towards the next-gen formats, whether you jump in now or wait awhile.

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Anyone willing to spend anything over 400 dollars on an SD dvd player at this point is a prime-time fool. If it's all about video quality, then those dollars should be put towards the next-gen formats, whether you jump in now or wait awhile.

You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but there are many of us who don't want to have all our SACD and DVD-A's go to waste, and are looking for not only an excellent SD-DVD image but also superior audio.

Since there doesn't seem to be a 'universal' player in HD's future we will want to get the most of our current collections until one comes along... if ever.

Also, I am in need of a good player now... I can not wait for years until this format war is over.

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I would echo shane55's comments exactly, adding only that it's unbelievably rude and arrogant -- especially in a forum of devoted hobbyists who know what's important to them in AV equipment, and make sophisticated purchase decisions accordingly -- for eapleitez to call those people "prime time fools." I'm sure if he told us about some of the purchase decisions he's made in his life, even outside the AV domain, that some could find reason to call him a "prime-time fool."
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Will the 2930 do PAL-to-NTSC conversion like the 2910 has?
Does the 2910 have issues with 2:2 cadence for PAL like the Oppo 970 has?
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As I've said in the past, the best thing to do when you see a post that may not be appropriate or not quite right is to just ignore it - consider the source. No need to waste forum bandwidth with additional comments and sidetrack the discussion any further. If the post is in violation of forum rules, please report it and don't reply to it.

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Will the 2930 do PAL-to-NTSC conversion like the 2910 has?

The specs a page or so back don't mention anything PAL related, not even PAL output.

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As I've said in the past, the best thing to do when you see a post that may not be appropriate or not quite right is to just ignore it - consider the source. No need to waste forum bandwidth with additional comments and sidetrack the discussion any further. If the post is in violation of forum rules, please report it and don't reply to it.
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Understood and agreed...
This troll-like post did raise a question that I thought was valid, regardless of how tactlessly and rudely it was stated.

The decision to buy an expensive piece of equipment at the end of a technology's cycle is something we all are grappling with, and is pertinent to this thread. It's a decision that I am making, and so are most of the other posters here. I stated my reasons and he can take or leave them. In time I'll be the only one deciding how foolish a move it might or might not have been. The negativity of the post did not affect me in any way.

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I agree, but sometimes things can get ugly, fast.

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I agree, but sometimes things can get ugly, fast.

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Tru dat!

So back on topic...
So where the he11 are these old technology SD-DVD players anyway?!
I want, I need!
Come on, let's get some expected in-store dates.

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I might drop by Tweeter again today and see if they have an update. I was in there last week and their system was saying last week of July...which I'm hoping meant this week. I really don't want to spend this kind of money right now, but I don't think I'll be able to control myself once I actually see one. Sure HD stuff is tempting especially with all of the positive reviews on the upconversion abilities of the Toshiba players.

I would also like to see if Kris Deering is going to get his hands on one or both of these before I buy one.

I'll post this afternoon with any new information from Tweeter.
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Shouldn't 3910s start going on sale soon to clear out inventory?
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I didn't have a chance to stop by Tweeter yesterday, but I did see a 1730 on ebay. Thought that was interesting.
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Rear panel looks great!!

http://www.denon.jp/products2/photol...dvd3930_r.html

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No i.Link. 3910 has it.

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Interesting. A REON feature: "Key features of the new chip include no-compromise HQV TRUE 1080i-to-1080p de-interlacing, which uses the full four-field processing window for HD video de-interlacing and cadence detection, thus preserving the rich details in HD imagery." That's nice, but it wouldn't think it would be used in a DVD player. Also, the players will output PC resolutions: VGA, XGA, WXGA, SXGA.

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Interesting. A REON feature: "Key features of the new chip include no-compromise HQV TRUE 1080i-to-1080p de-interlacing, which uses the full four-field processing window for HD video de-interlacing and cadence detection, thus preserving the rich details in HD imagery." That's nice, but it wouldn't think it would be used in a DVD player. Also, the players will output PC resolutions: VGA, XGA, WXGA, SXGA.

What are you getting at Larry, does this mean it's pretty much just fluff? I only ask because I'd like to buy one, but if I can get close to the same performance from an Oppo, I'll go that route for much less money.
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That's just one of its features. SD deinterlacing should be what the chip does better than other players. How well the other NR and "detail enchancment" features work remains to be seen. 1080i->1080p is only really necessary for 1080i content - HD broadcasts or HiDef discs mastered in 1080i - and you have a 1080p display with 1080p input capabilities. With SD, if you need 1080p, 480p->1080p would be the way to go. It's possible to go 480i->1080i according to Dale Adams, but deinterlacing is usually done first. The 1080i->1080p isn't fluff because it lets SO sell into the stb, external processor, and even the display markets also with the same chip. If the chip performs well, you wouldn't need 1080p output from a source device if this chip was in a 1080p display (and is capable of going in displays). 480i for SD and 1080i for HD.

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Got it, Thanks Larry. It's a bit much to spend right now, so I think I'm a little leary and looking for reasons not to get one.

I'm using a PWD8UK so a lot of that upscaling stuff is sort of irrelevant to me, and there haven't been many good players in the last year or so that don't have the DCDi and the macroblocking issues that go along with it.
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What, if any, audio quality enhancements does the 3930CI offer over the 2930CI, or the 3910, for that matter?
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Originally Posted by Spizz
http://www.audioholics.com/news/edi...3930CI1080p.php

The article states that both the 3930ci and 2930ci and available now!
anyone know where to buy one ? or who to contact?
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I called Tweeter and they said that they should have some in next week, and that they should have many more in by September.
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What, if any, audio quality enhancements does the 3930CI offer over the 2930CI, or the 3910, for that matter?

I believe I saw somewhere that the 3930 uses the same audio DACs as the 3910 (which are better than those in the 2910 and I assume the 2930).
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My Denon receiver has the same BB-DACs as the 2930.

Just for discussion sake, would any other processing done (e.g. the 'Advanced AL24 Processing', etc.) allow the 2930 to actually sound better than my receiver fed via D-link?

So... bottom line, would the 2930 fed to my receiver via 6-ch analog cables sound better than if the signal were to be sent via D-link to my receiver?

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The DVD-3930CI, DVD-2930CI, and DVD-1930CI

http://www.audioholics.com/news/edit...930CI1080p.php

The DVD-3930CI & DVD-2930CI have both FINALLY dumped Faroudja. The DVD-3930 now uses the Realta HQV (the same scaler the DVD-5910 uses)! The DVD-2930 uses the REON VX scaler. The DVD-1930 uses the Faroudja FLI2301.
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They also do full 1080P output, NICE!

Although super pricey ($1499MSRP) for a standard def DVD player, the 3930 looks kick ass with the Realta HQV chipset.

Does anyone know how the REON chipset in the 2930 ($849MSRP) looks compared to the Realta HQV?
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There is already another thread on these new players, started a few months ago but still very active (including posts earlier today). You may want to just join in there.
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My Denon receiver has the same BB-DACs as the 2930.

Just for discussion sake, would any other processing done (e.g. the 'Advanced AL24 Processing', etc.) allow the 2930 to actually sound better than my receiver fed via D-link?

So... bottom line, would the 2930 fed to my receiver via 6-ch analog cables sound better than if the signal were to be sent via D-link to my receiver?

Thoughts?

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If the DACs are the same, I doubt you'll hear any significant difference, analog vs digital connection. Using the 3910/3930, however, the analogs should sound better than digital due to the better DACs in the player.
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