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There is already another thread on these new players, started a few months ago but still very active (including posts earlier today). You may want to just join in there.

And join he did! Threads merged. No new threads for the players until somebody buys one.

First owner of any of the new players gets to start the "Owners thread". If we think you're fibbing - curtains!

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If the DACs are the same, I doubt you'll hear any significant difference, analog vs digital connection. Using the 3910/3930, however, the analogs should sound better than digital due to the better DACs in the player.

So, if you've got the Denon AVR 3806, or any of the other Denon receivers that use the BB-PCM-1791, does that suggest that it would be better to go analog (EXT IN), for everything (DVD, SACD, DVD-A and CD) rather than using DenonLink?
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My Plasma TV has a resolution of 1024x768. I like the fact that these players can output this exact resolution. I'm sure the HQV processor in either of these models trumps the TV's processor.
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Going analog and avoiding the DACS on the receiver means you also avoid room correction. I've always found room correction more than trumps the sound quality advantage to using better DACS and going direct. If you have a perfect listening room, which almost no one has, you might find it advantageous to avoid the receivers dacs.
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My Plasma TV has a resolution of 1024x768. I like the fact that these players can output this exact resolution. I'm sure the HQV processor in either of these models trumps the TV's processor.

That is nice. The deinterlacer most certainly should be be better (judging from the Realta performance). I forgot about the 1024x768 pseudo-HD dispalys - no offense intended, but I don't consider anything HD that doesn't at least have 1280x720 resolution (source or display). 1024x768 is the popular 42" plasma resolution (non ED).

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Going analog and avoiding the DACS on the receiver means you also avoid room correction. I've always found room correction more than trumps the sound quality advantage to using better DACS and going direct. If you have a perfect listening room, which almost no one has, you might find it advantageous to avoid the receivers dacs.

Some receivers/processors can do room correction on the analog inputs. The extra A/D and D/A (is it noticeable?) is worth it. The high end Elite receivers do it, I don't know about the Denons, or Yammy's or others. But you are correct, room tuning one way or another can make much bigger impact than small variances in DACs/parts.

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Therefore it sounds like the DVD-2930 connected via D-link to an AVR-3805/6 is the way to go regardless of the 'Advanced AL24 Processing' which is more likely than not just a marketing device.

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I found this story on the front page of the forum this morning. Sounds very promising, and a couple of them are quite affordable.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=703875

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Merged in another thread....

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What's the thought on the 2930 using the component outs vs the oppo 970 using hdmi all either one at 480p?
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I don't understand why anyone is going to pay upwards of $1500 for an SD DVD player, when HD players are now available for much less?

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I don't understand why anyone is going to pay upwards of $1500 for an SD DVD player, when HD players are now available for much less?

Because the audio options on current HD players suck.

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So I guess its a question of what you are more willing to sacrifice, PQ or AQ??

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So I guess its a question of what you are more willing to sacrifice, PQ or AQ??

At this point, yes.

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I don't understand why anyone is going to pay upwards of $1500 for an SD DVD player, when HD players are now available for much less?

Because some people will be watching SD DVDs for years to come and there is still room for improvement in SD DVD playback. Hopefully these new Denons and other new players will take it to the next level.

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Therefore it sounds like the DVD-2930 connected via D-link to an AVR-3805/6 is the way to go regardless of the 'Advanced AL24 Processing' which is more likely than not just a marketing device.

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If the 2930 outputs AL24 processed audio through the stereo analog outputs I might have to think about replacing my 3910 with the 2930 for the better video performance. IMO the AL24 processing does more for the CD audio quality then the DACs. The reason I say that is I definitely think the 3910 sounds better with the AL24 active (to turn off the 3910's AL24 processing, engage the Denon Link 3).

I'm not in a hurry to replace my 3910 so maybe I'll just sit back and see what others have say in their reviews. Plus I'll see where the HD/BR DVD players end up.

Do you think Denon will be able to hold these kind of prices for SD DVD players? I could see a price drop in six months if they are not selling well due to HD/BR.
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Do you think Denon will be able to hold these kind of prices for SD DVD players? I could see a price drop in six months if they are not selling well due to HD/BR.

Time will tell. IMO the new Hidef players will have very little impact on anything for quite a while. Audio support is a no-show and the superior SD processing parts push costs even higher and won't be there for some time. Even so, players as "inexpensive" as $500 are not volume sellers - meaning not much "mass impact".

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I can't believe the 3930 will not have I-link capability. With HDMI likey 1.1 on this machine it means that SACD will still need to be sent via 5.1 analog cables. I know denonlink is an option but not on my receiver(non-Denon). Maybe Denon will surprise us and say that this machine has HDMI 1.2 and all will be forgiven.
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Do you think Denon will be able to hold these kind of prices for SD DVD players? I could see a price drop in six months if they are not selling well due to HD/BR.

I bet this will happen.
Why would you spend that much money on a SD player when you can have an HD-DVD player for less. I have the 2910 and have seen the Toshiba HD-DVD player up-convert standard DVD and it looks as good, if not better than my 2910.

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I'm all for a price drop, and a quick one at that...but I wouldn't bet on it.
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I bet this will happen.
Why would you spend that much money on a SD player when you can have an HD-DVD player for less. I have the 2910 and have seen the Toshiba HD-DVD player up-convert standard DVD and it looks as good, if not better than my 2910.
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Asked and answered on Posts 371 and 372.

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Kal, can we expect to see a review of a 3930 from you anytime in the near future?
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Kal, can we expect to see a review of a 3930 from you anytime in the near future?

I am about to ask about it.

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I can't believe the 3930 will not have I-link capability. With HDMI likey 1.1 on this machine it means that SACD will still need to be sent via 5.1 analog cables. I know denonlink is an option but not on my receiver(non-Denon). Maybe Denon will surprise us and say that this machine has HDMI 1.2 and all will be forgiven.

They don't have iLink because nobody cares about iLink (and nobody ever did) -- its a dead standard. Nobody cares about SACD and DVD-A either which is why Sony shut down the SACD arm. Now even if you have a few SACD discs, the fact is they are a tiny, tiny, tiny niche market that Sony has seen to discontinue. Without SACD and the equally poor selling (if not worse) DVD-A, there is really no reason to spend money on iLink.

As for HDMI 1.2, no all these new DVD players and AVRs from Denon are still HDMI 1.1 (according to the latest info I have). Its doubtful you'll ever see HDMI 1.2 on a CE device since its sole purpose in life was to add SACD and DVD-A support (which as I mentioned earlier, nobody cares about). It was also a stop gap version until 1.3 was ready, which it is now. 1.3 CE devices are expected by XMas.
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They don't have iLink because nobody cares about iLink (and nobody ever did) -- its a dead standard. Nobody cares about SACD and DVD-A either which is why Sony shut down the SACD arm. Now even if you have a few SACD discs, the fact is they are a tiny, tiny, tiny niche market that Sony has seen to discontinue. Without SACD and the equally poor selling (if not worse) DVD-A, there is really no reason to spend money on iLink.

As for HDMI 1.2, no all these new DVD players and AVRs from Denon are still HDMI 1.1 (according to the latest info I have). Its doubtful you'll ever see HDMI 1.2 on a CE device since its sole purpose in life was to add SACD and DVD-A support (which as I mentioned earlier, nobody cares about). It was also a stop gap version until 1.3 was ready, which it is now. 1.3 CE devices are expected by XMas.

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The new Pioneer receivers (e.g. VSX-84TXSi) have HDMI 1.2.

HDMI 1.1 supports DVD-A.

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Its doubtful you'll ever see HDMI 1.2 on a CE device since its sole purpose in life was to add SACD and DVD-A support (which as I mentioned earlier, nobody cares about). It was also a stop gap version until 1.3 was ready, which it is now. 1.3 CE devices are expected by XMas.

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The new Pioneer receivers (e.g. VSX-84TXSi) have HDMI 1.2.

And what universal players will feed such an input? Pioneer?

Any chance of a pre/pro with 1.2? Doubtful as the leap (crawl) to 1.3 will take precedence.

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Not good enough. I have about 30-40 DVD-As but over 1000 SACDs (and still getting more).

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As for HDMI 1.2, no all these new DVD players and AVRs from Denon are still HDMI 1.1 (according to the latest info I have). Its doubtful you'll ever see HDMI 1.2 on a CE device since its sole purpose in life was to add SACD and DVD-A support (which as I mentioned earlier, nobody cares about). It was also a stop gap version until 1.3 was ready, which it is now. 1.3 CE devices are expected by XMas.

"During a short question & answer period, HDMI was a hot topic. After Talmadge was asked when Denon would be putting version 1.3 in their products, he explained that version 1.2a is the current and latest version available. It allows for transmission of SACD, but requires the added expense of DSD in the equipment. The DVD forum has not finalized version 1.3, and even when it does, it will still need to be tested by manufacturers and then officially released. Dolby must also update their chipset. He expects all of this to happen no sooner than mid-2007. He was unsure at this point if current HDMI equipped Denon products would be able to be upgraded to 1.3, and will not know the answer to that until the spec is finalized." - Audioholics report.

=> I'm not sure if that implies that the new dvd-players are 1.2a or not... on first read i thought that's what it was trying to say.
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And what universal players will feed such an input? Pioneer?

Any chance of a pre/pro with 1.2? Doubtful as the leap (crawl) to 1.3 will take precedence.

Not good enough. I have about 30-40 DVD-As but over 1000 SACDs (and still getting more).

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You have 1000 SACDs??? WTF!?!? .... I don't think I have more then 20 DVDs period. I never saw much point in collecting movies since I could rent said movie about 5 times before covering the cost of buying it.

I did have a short lived dream of building a hard drive based movie jukebox system last year, but there just arent any cool front-ends except the Kaliedescape system which is like $50,000 or something crazy like that. Besides, a TB would only hold about 200 movies in SD or 20 to 30 movies in HD.
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You have 1000 SACDs??? WTF!?!? .... I don't think I have more then 20 DVDs period. I never saw much point in collecting movies since I could rent said movie about 5 times before covering the cost of buying it.

I agree with you. I never buy DVDs (and I rarely rent one more than once). Movies are disposable, imho, but music is immortal.

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