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post #31 of 4938 Old 04-12-2006, 12:57 PM
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According to SO site the Reon is "powered by Teranex".

Teranex is the same company that makes the Realta.

I believe you mean Realta is "powered by Teranex".

Also, Silicon Optix is the company that makes both the Realta and Reon chips. Teranex was purchased by Silicon Optix and is now a division within SO, and its technology (hardware platform and video processing algorithms) is found in Realta, not Reon.

Since Silicon Optix was a spin-off founded by ex-Genesis employees, Reon is probably based on older Genesis technology. Since Genesis owns the Faroudja DCDi technology, I wouldn't be surprised if Reon is similar in performance to Faroudja DCDi. (Don't quote me on this though!)
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Although tempted to upgrade from the 3910, it just doesn't make sense now with HD/BR on the horizon. A Denon HD/BR player would be sweet!

Why, are you throwing out your DVD collection including the movies that won't be on either format for years?

Actually, it probably wouldn't make sense to step up from the 3910, but I couldn't miss the opportunity.
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Why, are you throwing out your DVD collection including the movies that won't be on either format for years?

Actually, my DVD collection is pretty small. But I am an avid renter at Netflix, who will be renting both new formats.
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Somebody already did. The 5910 uses the Realta chip. The 3930 will use the Reon. I believe the new scalers are using the Realta - have to check over in the video processor forum.

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Larry, in another post, it was stated that the 3930 will use the Realta chip while the 2930 will use the Reon. You state in your post above that the 3930 will use Reon. Did you mistype the number? Or do you have a source saying that the 3930 will use Reon?
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Oops. I misread a post. The 3930 will have the T2 and 2930 will have the Reon. I believe the T2 is the Realta.

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Oops. I misread a post. The 3930 will have the T2 and 2930 will have the Reon. I believe the T2 is the Realta.

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Can anybody confirm that 2930 would have Denon Link?
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I thought that this was a limitation of the Faroudja chip that the current Denon players are using.

By the way, does anyone have any info on what digital audio interfaces these players will support - i.e, Firewire or HDMI 1.2 for SACDs? Also, any info on bass management capabilities?

Thanks in advance,
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I am afraid it was too early for these products to be developed with HDMI 1.2 Tx. These are just now sampling. I guess 3930 will have both D-link and i.link as in 3910. I am not sure if 2930 will have Denon Link.
My internal source tells me that the BM of 2930/3930 may be as flexible as ones in Denon receiver, but this might be outdated...
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Can anybody confirm that 2930 would have Denon Link?

The 2930 will have Denon Link. This was a big issue with Denon dealers as the 3910 was $300 more that the 3806.

As for availability, I was told June on the 2930 and July on the 3930. This was direct from Denon. As most manufacturers go, look for 4-6 weeks delay minimum. Maybe they will suprise us though.

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I believe you mean Realta is "powered by Teranex".

Also, Silicon Optix is the company that makes both the Realta and Reon chips. Teranex was purchased by Silicon Optix and is now a division within SO, and its technology (hardware platform and video processing algorithms) is found in Realta, not Reon.

Since Silicon Optix was a spin-off founded by ex-Genesis employees, Reon is probably based on older Genesis technology. Since Genesis owns the Faroudja DCDi technology, I wouldn't be surprised if Reon is similar in performance to Faroudja DCDi. (Don't quote me on this though!)

Let's hope that the Reon chip doesn't continue the tradition of macroblocking from the Faroudja...
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What is the T2?
Anyone?


The T2 is an ADVANCED PROTOTYPE POLY-MIMETIC ALLOY TERMINATOR. Wait a minute that was the T1000.
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The 2930 will have Denon Link. This was a big issue with Denon dealers as the 3910 was $300 more that the 3806.

As for availability, I was told June on the 2930 and July on the 3930. This was direct from Denon. As most manufacturers go, look for 4-6 weeks delay minimum. Maybe they will suprise us though.

Any word on the inclusion iLink on either model? Personally, I won't buy a player without it since I already have a Pioneer Elite receiver with iLink...
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The 2930 will have Denon Link. This was a big issue with Denon dealers as the 3910 was $300 more that the 3806.

As for availability, I was told June on the 2930 and July on the 3930. This was direct from Denon. As most manufacturers go, look for 4-6 weeks delay minimum. Maybe they will suprise us though.

Thank you for your reply. Could you share information with us on 2930/3930's video processing? Will they really have Silicon Optix deinterlacer/upscaler? That sounds too good to believe at their prices.
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I am afraid it was too early for these products to be developed with HDMI 1.2 Tx. These are just now sampling. I guess 3930 will have both D-link and i.link as in 3910. I am not sure if 2930 will have Denon Link.
My internal source tells me that the BM of 2930/3930 may be as flexible as ones in Denon receiver, but this might be outdated...

Thanks for the reply - pity about the lack of HDMI 1.2, but at least as far as I am concerned flexible BM options make a good substitute.

By the way, I searched for info on the Reon chip, and found an article on one model dating back to 2004 at http://www.projectorcentral.com/anyplace_projection.htm

I don't know if it is the exact same chip used in the 2930, but I guess the capability should be similar. At least the scaling engine looks decent, judging from the one screen capture in the article.

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Thank you for your reply. Could you share information with us on 2930/3930's video processing? Will they really have Silicon Optix deinterlacer/upscaler? That sounds too good to believe at their prices.

I really can't just yet. Just that both will use SI chips with the 2930 using the Reon and the 3930 getting the T2.

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Hi everybody,

are there more information about the 3930 available? Will he support HDMI 1.2/1.3 already?

Thanks a lot.
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The 2930 will have Denon Link. This was a big issue with Denon dealers as the 3910 was $300 more that the 3806.

As for availability, I was told June on the 2930 and July on the 3930. This was direct from Denon. As most manufacturers go, look for 4-6 weeks delay minimum. Maybe they will suprise us though.

Yes, July for the 3930. That's what I was told directly by Denon, too.
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Is the 3930 supposed to be the "poor man's 5910," or is this going to be newer/better tech than the 5910? If so, I'll be pissed.
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Is the 3930 supposed to be the "poor man's 5910," or is this going to be newer/better tech than the 5910? If so, I'll be pissed.

It still remains to be seen. What features will be "on" in the Realta chip? What scaler will be used? Audio? However, life on the bleeding edge is always just slip and slide away from something newer, better, and sometimes cheaper.

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Here's what I was told by Denon about the 3930:

"...it will be a DVD-5910 for less money. Silicon Optix for video processing and scaling (up to 1080p), audio is upgraded. Same price as the 3910 as well. One other point of contention for buying a 3930 is that no one knows how good the scaling for SD material will be in these new HD players, so you may be downgrading your collection of movies..."
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Do you think they meant 'audio is upgraded' relative to the 5910? That would be remarkable.

So, they're using SO Realta for scaling: that revives the question as to why Denon originally selected DVDO scaling over Realta for the 5910. Maybe it wasn't ready back then, although the fact they reuse it in the recent 5910ci, suggests they regard the DVDO as better.
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In the context of my correspondence, the upgrade referred to the 3910.
What I didn't ask was whether the 3930 will become their new flagship, or whether the 5910 will, itself, be upgraded.
Denon also told me that they "will not have a next generation DVD player till 2007, as many critical technologies are not yet in place, and won't be till later this year. These include HDMI 1.3, which is critical to transmit dtsHD and Dolby Digital+, and just as important is the capability for our receivers to have 1.3 and the included surround formats - dtsHD is ready now (however 1.3 is not due till fall) and DD+ won't be ready for AVRs till late fall/winter. We want to be sure to offer our customers the complete solution, not just pieces of it."
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Denon also told me that they "will not have a next generation DVD player till 2007...."

Any word on which format Denon will focus on for this next-gen player, HD-DVD or Bluray?

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Denon is part of the BlueMan group, or whatever it's called, but they're "keeping their options open" on what format(s) to support.
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Is the 3930 supposed to be the "poor man's 5910," or is this going to be newer/better tech than the 5910? If so, I'll be pissed.

The 3910 was better than the 5900 for video, so it does not surprise me that the 3930 will match the 5910 for video. If it matches the 5910 for audio, it will be mighty tempting (please kill this thread before I get too tempted!!!).
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Do both the 3910 and 5910 use Burr Brown 1792 for their DACs? I wonder what (audio) DACs are planned for these new models?
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No, the 3910 uses BB PCM-1796.
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This is exciting news, should be my "final" SD player upgrade from my 3910
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I have a brand new still in the box Marantz 9600 sitting on my family room floor. Same idea: "last, best" SD player. Be interesting to see how the 3930 ends up. I really wish it would output 480i though.

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