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interesting
did you plug your cable into the hdmi port on the dvd?
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interesting
did you plug your cable into the hdmi port on the dvd?

Yes, but viewing menu via scart connection.
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I have the DVP5960 hooked up to a Vizio 47" lcd via hdmi.

I noticed that edges and lines are cleaner in 1080i upscaling mode, but the image is slightly squashed vertically. On a 47" lcd, it is about an inch or two vertically. The images appear to be correct at 480p, but upscaling thru 576, 720, and 1080 causes a successively more vertical squashing.

No one noticed around here, but I noticed and it bugs me. I checked with the scientific thumb on the LCD while cycling thru the different upscaling settings.

Is this a player problem, or a monitor problem?
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I believe this is a Mediatek chipset problem apparent on Oppo 970, Sony 75H, and Phillips Divx/DVD players (even the newest 5982). It's not your display. 480p is fine but 720p and 1080i have this vertical aspect problem.

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I believe this is a Mediatek chipset problem apparent on Oppo 970, Sony 75H, and Phillips Divx/DVD players (even the newest 5982). It's not your display. 480p is fine but 720p and 1080i have this vertical aspect problem.

Thanks for the info. No workaround or fix. right? That would be a shame if I can't use 1080i upscaling, as the image is somewhat better (on Phantom of the Opera dvd)
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Huey: the image is not squashed on the Sony, since that player does postprocessing to re-expand the image (though some say that it softens the image).

Nogasbiker, you are not missing any of the image, it is simply vertically compressed by a negligible amount. You wouldn't even have noticed if you didn't have a thin blank band across the bottom of the screen. If you think that the image is clearest at 1080i, then just leave it there, and ignore the band the same way you ignore sidebars on 4:3 images. - DR
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I need some advice on upscaling. I have a 5960 and recently bought a HDMI cable to connect the 5960 to the receiver. I have a Sanyo Z4 projector connected to the receiver with component cables. I haven't seen any improvement in watching DVDs. Do I need to connect the projector to the receiver using HDMI cable as well? Thanks for any help.
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I need some advice on upscaling. I have a 5960 and recently bought a HDMI cable to connect the 5960 to the receiver. I have a Sanyo Z4 projector connected to the receiver with component cables. I haven't seen any improvement in watching DVDs. Do I need to connect the projector to the receiver using HDMI cable as well? Thanks for any help.

I would think so since Component video signals is not the same as HDMI digital video signals.

Just for kicks, connect the HDMI directly to your Sanyo Z4 projector and see what that looks like!

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I need some advice on upscaling. I have a 5960 and recently bought a HDMI cable to connect the 5960 to the receiver. I have a Sanyo Z4 projector connected to the receiver with component cables. I haven't seen any improvement in watching DVDs. Do I need to connect the projector to the receiver using HDMI cable as well? Thanks for any help.

You may not seen an improvement. If you TV does a good job of upscaling from the 480p, then you very well not see any difference.
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The "shift bug" is an upscaling characteristic of the mediatek chipset, not the particular player. It (a) should not happen at 480p, and (b) does not represent a loss of any image, just a slight vertical compression. - DR

I measured the image for fun

Phantom of the Opera 2-disc collectors edition, upc 012569702998. Correct aspect is 2.35.

Image width is 41" for all resolutions

480p 18.5 2.22
576p 18.75 2.19
720p 17.63 2.33
1080i 16.63 2.47


17.6" to 16.6" is a big deficit, about 6% loss. The characters don't look quite right. You get used to it 10 or 15 minutes into the movie, but I think I will keep it at 720p for accurate reproduction. Amazingly, running it at 576p for 6% stretch actually nice.
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Thanks piturra and Karl. Unfortunately, I have the component cables buried behind the wall and it won't be a simple matter to connect the HDMI cable to test it. I was hoping I had just overlooked something simple.
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I measured the image for fun

Phantom of the Opera 2-disc collectors edition, upc 012569702998. Correct aspect is 2.35.

Image width is 41" for all resolutions

480p 18.5 2.22
576p 18.75 2.19
720p 17.63 2.33
1080i 16.63 2.47


I tried to duplicate your test this rainy afternoon ... I only have the Phantom single disk edition, upc 0 85393 89512 9. It also should have a aspect ratio of 2.35. Displayed on my Toshiba 62HM116 the width is 54", the height should be 23".

480p 24.625" a/r 2.19
720p 22.75" 2.37
1080i 22.75" 2.37

On my TV, looks like 720p and 1080i are more accurate. I see no size difference between 720p and 1080i and are very close to correct. Wonder if it is the display ... the 62HM116 is a native 1080p display.

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I measured the image for fun

Phantom of the Opera 2-disc collectors edition, upc 012569702998. Correct aspect is 2.35.

Image width is 41" for all resolutions

480p 18.5 2.22
576p 18.75 2.19
720p 17.63 2.33
1080i 16.63 2.47


17.6" to 16.6" is a big deficit, about 6% loss. The characters don't look quite right. You get used to it 10 or 15 minutes into the movie, but I think I will keep it at 720p for accurate reproduction. Amazingly, running it at 576p for 6% stretch actually nice.

Please note that the larger picture size (smaller aspect ratio) you get in 576p and 480p is probably due to overscan from your display and not the mediatek scaling. I know that is the case for my panasonic plasma. The squishing at 1080i is directly due to the mediatek scaling.
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How does the 5960 compare to the s52s? I just bought a 5960, but knew nothing of the s52s until just a few minutes ago. Did I make the right purchase?

I know about the divx/xvid/mpeg playback, so that's all just a plus.

But the most important features to me are picture quality, sound quality, and if it's region free. How do the 5960 and s52s compare in these three areas?
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what is s52s never heard of it
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Do these Philips players handle native PAL? Is there actually a setting for PAL in the menu?
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The 5960 does handle PAL.

chaarlieee. if you mean the Panasonic s52s, the PQ should be about the same, the Panasonic is probably slightly better built, but the Philips has much more functionality as it can be made region-free (the US version of the Panny is region-locked). - DR
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The 5960 does handle PAL.

chaarlieee. if you mean the Panasonic s52s, the PQ should be about the same, the Panasonic is probably slightly better built, but the Philips has much more functionality as it can be made region-free (the US version of the Panny is region-locked). - DR

Thanks.

That's great if the picture quality is about the same. How about the sound quality?
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Thanks.

That's great if the picture quality is about the same. How about the sound quality?


PAL DVD's play flawlessly on this machine.
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Hey guys,

I just got this DVD player, and with it I bought an HDMI-->DVI converter cable to take advantage of the upscaling, since my TV doesn't have an HDMI input. And it doesn't work at all; the image is grainy and all green, as though it's missing the blue colour element. I've returned the cable already and replaced it with no change; do you think this is a problem with the DVD player or with one of the ports or the TV itself, or what? It's very frustrating.

Thanks

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Do you still have the component cables connected to the player?
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No, that's not the problem, unfortunately.
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Only $54 shipped.
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chaarlieee, sound is not a strong point for the 5960; for example, high-resolution audio is not supported (but this is true for the Panny as well).

antexit, I am no expert on the Westinghouse sets (but such experts do exist on the board!), could it be that the dvi port is set to the PC colorspace instead of TV colorspace, or that there is a handshaking setting turned off? Alternately, was your replacement cable/adapter the same brand, or did youtry another brand? - DR
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Did walmart ever sell these?, i got a 3960 there.
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chaarlieee, sound is not a strong point for the 5960; for example, high-resolution audio is not supported (but this is true for the Panny as well).

antexit, I am no expert on the Westinghouse sets (but such experts do exist on the board!), could it be that the dvi port is set to the PC colorspace instead of TV colorspace, or that there is a handshaking setting turned off? Alternately, was your replacement cable/adapter the same brand, or did youtry another brand? - DR

What do you mean? Sorry about not being specific, I just meant how does the sound quality of the Philips 5960 compare to the Panasonic S52S in DVD's with DTS, etc.
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I tried to duplicate your test this rainy afternoon ... I only have the Phantom single disk edition, upc 0 85393 89512 9. It also should have a aspect ratio of 2.35. Displayed on my Toshiba 62HM116 the width is 54", the height should be 23".

480p 24.625" a/r 2.19
720p 22.75" 2.37
1080i 22.75" 2.37

On my TV, looks like 720p and 1080i are more accurate. I see no size difference between 720p and 1080i and are very close to correct. Wonder if it is the display ... the 62HM116 is a native 1080p display.

That's weird. My Vizio 47" lcd is also a native 1080p. For what it is worth, ff the air 1080i looks fine on my lcd.
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I have a file with the following settings:

I have a couple of Divx files that are being viewed from a USB flash drive and the TV is showing bars on the bottom and the sides (squished on all sides). These DIVX files play in widescreen mode fine from my PC.

General #0
Format : AVI
Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
Format/Family : RIFF
File size : 231 MiB
PlayTime : 43mn 4s
Bit rate : 743 Kbps

Video #0
Codec : XviD
Codec/Family : MPEG-4
Codec/Info : XviD project
Codec settings/Packe : No
Codec settings/BVOP : No
Codec settings/QPel : No
Codec settings/GMC : 0
Codec settings/Matri : Default
PlayTime : 43mn 4s
Bit rate : 602 Kbps
Width : 704 pixels
Height : 400 pixels
Aspect ratio : 16/9
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Resolution : 8 bits
Chroma : 4:2:0
Interlacement : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.071
Writing library : Lavc51.29.0

Audio #0
Codec : MPEG-1 Audio layer 3
Codec profile : Joint stereo
PlayTime : 43mn 4s
Bit rate : 128 Kbps
Bit rate mode : CBR
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 48 KHz
Resolution : 16 bits

Ideas???

username should now be "ThumperYZ69"
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What do you mean? Sorry about not being specific, I just meant how does the sound quality of the Philips 5960 compare to the Panasonic S52S in DVD's with DTS, etc.

They should be identical. The DVD player is just passing digital bits to your receiver which does the decoding.

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Width : 704 pixels
Height : 400 pixels

that says it all thumper, xvids are all custom made i've made many, you can adjust the size to anything you want, black bars are very common, most xvids are extremely squished compared to the standard 720x480 dvd size.
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