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post #541 of 6316 Old 06-10-2006, 11:37 AM
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If one's display will accept both, which is optimal?

The data on a DVD is stored in YCbCr format. However, digital TVs such as DLP, LCD, and plasma display as RGB. So the signal will have to be converted to RGB at some point, either in the DVD player or the TV (or a video processor if you have one). In some cases, you may see a clear difference where one component does the RGB conversion better than the other. For example, I tried feeding my Mitsubishi projector YCbCr and it produced terrible pixelation and noise. I switched to RGB at the source and all of that cleared up. So obviously the projector has poor YCbCr-to-RGB conversion.

Try it both ways and see if you notice a difference. If you don't, then both chips are equally good and it shouldn't matter which you choose.

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Let me start by saying I work as a computer specialist, not AV specialist. I am upgrading my basement home theater, and I have always had great sound within this small area. Now I want to upgrade the PQ. I purchased a Samsung 51D 32" LCD and the cable company is hooking up an HD box. I am now wanting to upgrade my DVD player, and I still have one available HDMI input on my LCD. I am looking for a reasonably priced upconvert DVD player that will simply display the best PQ on my new LCD. I am considering the Phillips DVP5960, the Samsung HD960, and this new OPPO DVD Player. I know this forum thread may be a little biased, but should I go for the new Oppo or a more familiar brand if all I'm doing is watching my DVD collection on this LCD. It seems to me a Samsung DVD upconvert may display better on a Samsung LCD (maybe not). Based on the knowledge shared on this topic, I trust your opinions.

Second, isn't the "Reduced picture size with 720p/1080i" a real downside to purchasing this model. I understand it will probably be fixed in a firmware update, but isn't that considered a major defect?
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I've already placed my order online but I'm having second thoughts now because of the image shift issue (like the Sony NS70?) and deinterlacing quality. Is it possible to cancel an order? Should I get the 971 instead?

If you want to cancel your order, just send OPPO an e-mail or give them a call.

There is not a shift issue, though there is an underscan issue where the top and the bottom will have black bars. Sony solved this problem by doing a zoom on the NS75/85 to compensate for the underscan. Likely OPPO will do the same.
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I just got a Panasonic TH-37PX60U and want to buy a new DVD player. Any advice on whether to get the 970 or 971 and why? Dont care about the $50, just want the one that will work better with this TV. Thanks.

If macroblocking is a concern, then you do not want to go with the OPDV971H. However, you will be sacraficing some video clarity due to the inferior de-interlacing aspects of the DV-970HD.
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Okay, I am now down to comparing two players. I am comparing this new Oppo to the Pasnasonic DVD S97S model. I am torn between the two. My eyes are weary on reading product reviews. I am anxiously waiting on more expert reviews on the Oppo. Any help in making a final selection would be greatly appreciated. I trust the opinions of those that use this forum, and I am hoping I can find someone who has some experience with both players. At this time, I am only interested in playing my wide collection of DVDs on a new Samsung 51D 32" LCD. I realize the price difference, but I don't think that difference is significant in making my final decision. I am simply looking for the better player of the two.
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There may be a silver lining here.

Do you have to send back the 971 immediately?
If not it would give you a chance to compare the two players before returning the 971

Well, maybe so. The Oppo people said they will include a fedex return shipment slip with my 970. Yes, I could try out the 971 while I wait but my Mits 52628 only has HDMI besides Component. The 971 is DVI. I don't feel like wasting my money on a DVI->HDMI converter. Also, I need both SACD and DVD-A which the 971 lacks. I suspect the scaler on my 1080p set is pretty decent so I'm not sure the 971 is going to do a lot for me. Bottom line, I bought the 970 for its feature set and am not really interested in the 971. I was so disgusted I just put it back in its box and shoved it in the corner.

I sure hope Oppo is accurate in expecting a new 970 shipment late next week. I really want this player!

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Well, maybe so. The Oppo people said they will include a fedex return shipment slip with my 970. Yes, I could try out the 971 while I wait but my Mits 52628 only has HDMI besides Component. The 971 is DVI. I don't feel like wasting my money on a DVI->HDMI converter. Also, I need both SACD and DVD-A which the 971 lacks. I suspect the scaler on my 1080p set is pretty decent so I'm not sure the 971 is going to do a lot for me. Bottom line, I bought the 970 for its feature set and am not really interested in the 971. I was so disgusted I just put it back in its box and shoved it in the corner.

I sure hope Oppo is accurate in expecting a new 970 shipment late next week. I really want this player!

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Ahhh...makes sense.
I wouldn't want to buy the adaptor either if I wasn't keeping the player.
Didn't realize hi-rez was mandatory for you.

Am curious to see how you like the 970, when it finally arrives. I am very interested in this player for the same reasons: HDMI and hi-rez.
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Yes, I could try out the 971 while I wait but my Mits 52628 only has HDMI besides Component. The 971 is DVI. I don't feel like wasting my money on a DVI->HDMI converter.

There is a DVI-HDMI cable in the box if you want to try it out.
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For people who have external scalers, or high end television units, they will want to feed these devices with an un-altered (or at least lightly altered) digital video stream. The more pure the decoding is of the MPEG-2 information, the better the end results will be after the scaler/television does its post processing.

480i from the HDMI output is a great budget transport for this kind of functionality.

So if you're not using an external scaler, the 971 is still the better upconvert player because of the Faroudja video processing?

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Yes. The Faroudja chipset does a much better job of de-interlacing, especially for diagnal lines. The video will also be less noisy, due to inherent post processing (such as DNR).
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Yes. The Faroudja chipset does a much better job of de-interlacing, especially for diagnal lines. The video will also be less noisy, due to inherent post processing (such as DNR).

Thanks. Then I should keep my brand new 971?

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Are you saying, currently, any DVD player that incorporates the Faroudja chipset is going to have a better PQ than this player. If that is the case the Panasonic sounds like the best choice since its latest firmware update practically eliminates MB according to the forum on its firmware.
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Well, I finally received and hooked up the 970. For some reason, after posting (and waiting for a response) to this and the plasma forum, I couldn't get an answer as to how the 970 performed into the 6th generation Pios. So I pulled the trigger myself and I am pleased to report that running the 970 at 480i HDMI into my Elite 1130, produces the finest dvd picture that I have ever seen on this display (I have tried many of the usual suspects, including the Sony 75/85, Pio 52, Toshiba 4990, a Samsung, along with my venerable old Pio RP91)

The 970 trumps them all - less noise, more detail, greater depth - so far have viewed Toy Story, LOTR, Fifth Element (Superbit), Spiderman, and The Hulk. All looked better than I had ever seen them.

Additionally, although my sound system is not high end, the sound of the Oppo equalled the sound of the Sony (which was a clear improvement over my RP91).

Also, (purists don't read this!) I found the zoom on the Oppo to at least be useable.

The Oppo 970 appears to play all manner of discs, (I have tried R+, R-, RW+ and RW-), and the jpeg picture navigator is also quite useable (along with the Sony, one of the few devices which allows for computer altered jpegs to be played).

Don't like the tray - not the fact that its "flimsy", which I really don't think it is, but the fact that no indentation exists to easily remove the disc - find I have to reach under and pop it up from the bottom.

Both the deck and the remote appear well made and durable.

For me, I finally found "a keeper!"

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Are you saying, currently, any DVD player that incorporates the Faroudja chipset is going to have a better PQ than this player. If that is the case the Panasonic sounds like the best choice since its latest firmware update practically eliminates MB according to the forum on its firmware.

The Faroudja chipset does a wonderful job of diagonal line processing and eliminating jaggies, its the reference standard.

As a standalone unit without a processor I doubt the 970 without the Faroudja chipset will be as good as the 971. The 971 is a great player that I use it in my secondary viewing area sourced to a plasma. The S97 is the primary player for the projector in the HT. Its an outstanding unit especially with the latest firmware and its noise reduction settings are excellent. I was going to buy an external processor but passed because I couldn't see much improvement over the S97.

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Are you saying, currently, any DVD player that incorporates the Faroudja chipset is going to have a better PQ than this player. If that is the case the Panasonic sounds like the best choice since its latest firmware update practically eliminates MB according to the forum on its firmware.

Theoretically yes; in acutally, no. What comes down to how well designed a unit is is how well implimented the features are. Just slapping a Faroudja chipset in a box will not magically produce excellent results (see: OPDV971H from Januaray of 2005 to the unit now). The Panasonic S77/97 has been favored by some to the OPDV971H, which means that it is at least as good, if not better, than the OPDV971H. If it is better than the OPDV971H, then it is better than the DV-970HD.
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Does anyone have experience/recommendations with a 42" Hitachi ALIS plasma screen (1024x1024i) and either the DV970HD or the 971H?

According to Hitachi, it takes a 480i input over HDMI or DVI, but I don't know if the Picturemaster III processor is any good. Generally speaking, I wasn't that impressed, but I was only using a cheap DVD player at the time.

I'd check for myself, but the display is in Japan, and I'd like to order one to bring back with me.
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Does Oppodigital.com have free shipping to US/CAN or do they charge you?
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They charge for shipping. 14.49 for domestic through FedEx Ground, and 29.00 for Canada through USPS EMS.
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Has anyone tried this player with a Optoma HD72 projector and can comment on PQ?

What would look better ... feeding the PJ a 480i signal or a 720p signal?

I've already placed my order online but I'm having second thoughts now because of the image shift issue (like the Sony NS70?) and deinterlacing quality. Is it possible to cancel an order? Should I get the 971 instead?

Please help.

Send 480i to the HD72, the HD72 uses the TI DDP3020 chip and it does a really good Job of scaling / de-interlacing..
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I ordered mine on Thursday.. they said will ship on Wednesday.

Question; Can I configure so that video and stereo go to the HDMI on the TV and still send 5.1 to the receiver over digital SPDIF?

On my DVR SA8300HD you can not do this... so I am hoping this is different.

Is anyone using a HDMI switch? I only have 1 HDMI input on our Philips 52 inch.
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Yes, you can use Stereo to your television and 5.1 S/PDIF audio to your receiver without an issue.
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Send 480i to the HD72, the HD72 uses the TI DDP3020 chip and it does a really good Job of scaling / de-interlacing..

Yikes.

After re-reading parts of the 970 and 971 threads, I've already changed my order to the 971. I suppose I'll be better off the the Faroudja processing because of my planned 100" screen.
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Just finishing up my Calibrations- should finish tonight- With the below statement- I do have Blue w/ white lettering. However, the screensaver{ very cool feature} the windows do come up green & pink. does this mean anything?
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""If your screen is Pink and Green""
What degree of -green- are we viewing ? { light?= hint?= increidable HULL?I have seen in HPotter a -slight- green overtone- very slight. So is this the "green' we are talking about. I will try to Avia calibrate tomarrow night. to see if how every thing falls in line..
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Instead of the OPPO Blue background and White text, you will get a Green background with Pink text. It is a major shift, and is very obvious.
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The OPPO screensaver logos have several colors. There are green, red, pink, and I think some other colors.
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Searched this thread and the manual, what is the crosover set at, 80 hz?
Anyone think the SACD thru HDMI will work with the new Panasonic XR57 digital reciever?
Finally any chance Oppo will let it upconvert to 540p over component?
Hollywood seemingly, will allow that.
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Can anyone confirm whether the 970HD negotiates HDCP at 480i over HDMI?

The HDCP spec only calls for it for high bandwidth transmission (i.e. 720p and above), but Paul's first post in this thread implies that it's enforced at 480i HDMI as well.

Thx.

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Searched this thread and the manual, what is the crosover set at, 80 hz?

It is at 100Hz.

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Finally any chance Oppo will let it upconvert to 540p over component?
Hollywood seemingly, will allow that.

Because it is HDCP compliant, there is no way to do component based upconversion of CSS-encrypted media. However, that does not mean that the user community can't create their own "unofficial firmware".
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Can anyone confirm whether the 970HD negotiates HDCP at 480i over HDMI?

The HDCP spec only calls for it for high bandwidth transmission (i.e. 720p and above), but Paul's first post in this thread implies that it's enforced at 480i HDMI as well.

Thx.

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Yes, HDCP is applied to the 480i output. HDCP is required by definition to be applied to the digital video output, regardless of resolution.
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Has anyone tried to play a DivX file from a DVD-R that is greater than 2 gigs?

My back-ups are 2.5 to 3.5 with 5.1 AC3. I'm looking for something to replace my dying HTPC for now.

The Pioneer HDMI should, but I'm seeing so-so reports on it. Same with the new Samsung 960
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I just received my 970HD today and can tell you that it exhibits the same problem with the Denon AVR 4806. I had to add a toslink cable and set HDMI to SPDIF to achieve 7.1 sound. I only get 2 channel (Front L/R) via HDMI only into the AVR 4806. My Pioneer Elite 79 doesn't have this issue. Tomorrow I want to do a quick compare of how each upconverts from 480i, while I await the return of my VP30 from the shop. I'm hoping to use the 970HD as a transport for the HT with Sim2 C3X and move the Elite 79 upstairs to an RPTV and let it upconvert on its own.

Hey flint...
Any update on this? I'm particularly interested in the comparison between the 970HD and the 79avi.

I would be using it both for vid. and for audio - SACD adn DVD-A and am curious about the SQ of this unit as well as the PQ.

Let us know, please.

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