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One thing I forgot to mention, the 970HD no problem switching resolutions and sending 480i via HDMI to the DVI input on my display. Some HDMI players have various issues talking to a DVI input.

Larry,

Any HDCP issues setting up this way? My P5040XHAUS does not support HDCP via DVI.

Does HDCP come into play at 480i? It's not supposed to, but I seem to recall Oppo telling me they were enforcing it at all resolutions.

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I am considering this player for use in a 2-Channel setup that sees some light video use as well. I am particularly interested in the DACs in this player as I'll be sending all information to an analog receiver. Would someone be willing to speak to the performance of the 970HD regarding audio?


A great many thanks.
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The CUE is usually not a problem with a good scaler.

.. well, the ICP is a problem. The VP30 cannot filter the pio's ICP. So does this new Oppo suffer from ICP ?

btw, can it output HDMI and analogue at the same time ?
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.. well, the ICP is a problem. The VP30 cannot filter the pio's ICP. So does this new Oppo suffer from ICP ?

According to Kris's benchmark test, ICP is not a problem when using the VP30 (with ABT102 installed). I could be missing something in the test results though...

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Larry,

Any HDCP issues setting up this way? My P5040XHAUS does not support HDCP via DVI.

Does HDCP come into play at 480i? It's not supposed to, but I seem to recall Oppo telling me they were enforcing it at all resolutions.

/steve

My DVI input (the only digital input) on my P50 is HDCP compliant. I had no problems. I don't know if 480i wants HDCP or not. HDCP is "free" with HDMI chips and I don't know if it's always on or not, or implementation dependent. I could see where switching it on and off when changing resolutions would cause nightmares with various displays.

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.. well, the ICP is a problem. The VP30 cannot filter the pio's ICP. So does this new Oppo suffer from ICP ?

The DV970HD does not pass ICP fully, but it is still fairly watchable. I will see if I can't run it through a VP30 this afternoon and see what developes.

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btw, can it output HDMI and analogue at the same time ?

Yes, the analog and the digital outputs are live at the same time.
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I am considering this player for use in a 2-Channel setup that sees some light video use as well. I am particularly interested in the DACs in this player as I'll be sending all information to an analog receiver. Would someone be willing to speak to the performance of the 970HD regarding audio?

The 970HD uses the same audio DACs as the 971H (Cirrus Logic CS4360). However, the engineers have tweaked the audio section for optimal performance so CD, SACD and DVD-A playback over analog is quite good.

Regarding CUE, it was addressed with the 970HD prior to the production models being released, so you shouldn't have a problem with it.

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I've been testing this player for a couple of months. As mentioned, the deinterlacing is not quite as good on video material as the 971H, but it provides a very clean 480i/576i signal via HDMI, which will be very appealing to those using video processors.

I always felt that the 971H's picture was a little soft, likely due to the Faroudja processing. The 970HD is indeed slightly better in this regard, though I still prefer my Denon 1600 via SDI overall.

Not mentioned in the thread so far is that the subtitle and angle mark bugs that plagued the 971H have been fixed for the 970HD. I've been told that these will be back-ported to the 971H in a future firmware upgrade.

When I tried the 971, the image was too soft for me. However, I did like the colors and filmlike look...does the 970 have the same colors and filmlike appearance too?

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WOW!


Hats-off to Larry, Paul, Josh, Neuro, and the other testers that threw up a wall of silence regarding the 970.
Very impressive keeping it all quiet, guys.

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For those using URC PC-programmable remotes (MX-700 and up), I've attached an MXF file with the 970HD commands (including discrete On/Off). This can be used with the Universal Browser to drag in any or all commands.

 

Oppo970HD.zip 6.1611328125k . file

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Thanks for the remote file, Mike - the discrete on and off commands are a nice touch. I'm guessing that the 971 and 970 use the same basic code set (the black remote), but a 971 could be set to use the old "white remote" codes and allow the two players to be set up side-by-side without having the remote commands "fight." That'd make for a handy way to compare the two units' performance.
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The 970HD uses the same audio DACs as the 971H (Cirrus Logic CS4360). However, the engineers have tweaked the audio section for optimal performance so CD, SACD and DVD-A playback over analog is quite good.

And thanks also for this. I'm going to sit tight for the moment and wait for some more user feedback before I commit to anything, but I am starting to seriously consider selling off my Yamaha and getting a 970 as my universal player...

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I have gone through this treat, but haven't found these Q? Answered.
PQ- is great
Q?- how does the SACD sound? I Have a have a dedicated SACD player, however, with my living room/HT the acoustic issue really can justify a $1000+ player for just music and a $$$$ for DVD --though I would like one.
2). How is the sound Quality for Movies
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Paul,

One thing you should add to the "known bugs" list is that SACD is 2.0 channel Stereo only when using 480p and the HDMI output. All other resolutions do not have this error.
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Thanks for the remote file, Mike - the discrete on and off commands are a nice touch. I'm guessing that the 971 and 970 use the same basic code set (the black remote), but a 971 could be set to use the old "white remote" codes and allow the two players to be set up side-by-side without having the remote commands "fight." That'd make for a handy way to compare the two units' performance.

Unfortunately both units use the same IR codes. You can use the White Remote commands for the OPDV971H, but you have to make sure that the buttons you use do not somehow conflict with the Black Remote commands (such as Play changing the DVI modes).
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And thanks also for this. I'm going to sit tight for the moment and wait for some more user feedback before I commit to anything, but I am starting to seriously consider selling off my Yamaha and getting a 970 as my universal player...


I'll second Gonk here. Thanks very much for the information. I think I am going to go ahead and take the plunge on this one. I am so very pleased with my 971 for video duty that I am willing to give Oppo the benefit of the doubt on the 970 for audio. I am needing to replace my Pio 563 and this may just be the way to do it.


Thanks again.
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Unfortunately both units use the same IR codes. You can use the White Remote commands for the OPDV971H, but you have to make sure that the buttons you use do not somehow conflict with the Black Remote commands (such as Play changing the DVI modes).

Ah, interesting... Thanks.

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Guys please keep this on topic. If you have questions on another player please start a new thread as it will only take this one off course.. Thank you.
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.. well, the ICP is a problem. The VP30 cannot filter the pio's ICP. So does this new Oppo suffer from ICP ?

btw, can it output HDMI and analogue at the same time ?

In a discussion over in the video processor forum Stacey Spears mentioned that all players have ICP of some form. If really bad, it's tough to filter completely.

The 970HD can output to both outputs at the same time, IIRC.

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I'll second Gonk here. Thanks very much for the information. I think I am going to go ahead and take the plunge on this one. I am so very pleased with my 971 for video duty that I am willing to give Oppo the benefit of the doubt on the 970 for audio. I am needing to replace my Pio 563 and this may just be the way to do it.


Thanks again.

Can't wait to hear your audio comparison between Pio 563 and 970.

How does the Pio 563 compare to your 971 for DVD-A?
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When I tried the 971, the image was too soft for me. However, I did like the colors and filmlike look...does the 970 have the same colors and filmlike appearance too?

For digital output, if a player is competent, the colors will be whats encoded on the DVD and should look fine as long as your display is properly calibrated. For analog output, without taking measurements, the 970HD is no slouch especially for its price.

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Does the 970HD offer any bass management for the SACD/DVD-A? I don't think my receiver has bass mangagement for the analog inputs.
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For those who have asked this question or are about to, the 970HD will only be available direct from Oppo for a few weeks. The reason is to get some direct feedback from customers before releasing the player to their resellers.

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Does the 970HD offer any bass management for the SACD/DVD-A? I don't think my receiver has bass mangagement for the analog inputs.

Yes, it does.

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Does the 970HD offer any bass management for the SACD/DVD-A? I don't think my receiver has bass mangagement for the analog inputs.

Pages 11,12 and 13 in the manual.
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There is no "true" bass management controls on the DV970HD (this is the same as the OPDV971H).

EDIT: That is, the bass is designed to be directed to the subwoofer only when the speakers are set to "Small". When the speakers are set to "Large", all bass information is relayed to that channel and never sent to the subwoofer, even if it falls below 80Hz (OPPO's predesigned speaker cutoff).

As such, you can't set specific bass cutoffs for your speakers and subwoofer.
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I believe it is better than the Pio players. I still prefer the image from the RP91/82 via SDI. The Oppo is a lot faster in terms of responsivness though.

Hi Stacey,

I'd like to ask you the same question I asked Josh. Do you think the RP91/82 SDI image looks better because there's no post processing being done on the SDI output, whereas 480 over HDMI is still passing through the 970HD's image enhancement circuitry on the way out?

Or is the difference attributable to superior performance by the MEI decoder vs. the Mediatek, and any add'l processing that Oppo is doing is irrelevant? Thx.

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For those who have asked this question or are about to, the 970HD will only be available direct from Oppo for a few weeks. The reason is to get some direct feedback from customers before releasing the player to their resellers.

Typically, resellers sell below MSRP. I assume that this means we'll be able to get this below MSRP once this happens.
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On the manual pages I posted above it shows some management controls, although, they appear to rather rudimentary, Large, Small or Off, with delay settings being based on the distant difference between Center and LF/RF, and if surround speakers are closer than your fronts you're out of luck there as delay cannot be set lower than the front distance.
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Typically, resellers sell below MSRP. I assume that this means we'll be able to get this below MSRP once this happens.

Typically, yes. But with OPPO, no one has been below the 199 MSRP (Amazon.com always tries, but they are quickly stopped from doing so).

And if you look at the press release: "The DV-970HD is available from OPPO Digital and OPPO authorized resellers for $149.00."
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Typically, yes. But with OPPO, no one has been below the 199 MSRP (Amazon.com always tries, but they are quickly stopped from doing so).

And if you look at the press release: "The DV-970HD is available from OPPO Digital and OPPO authorized resellers for $149.00."

I would prefer to buy it from Amazon so as to benefit from free next day shipping (or $3.99 for next day) due to prime club membership. Plus, Amazon has a 30 day no-hassle return policy.
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Mike of Surf Audio deserves our support when you consider where to get your 970. He has made great helpful posts and is a senior member of this fourm.
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