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in stock on several online retailers any reviews on this machine yet?
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should i return my oppo for this. just received it 1week ago with newest version and got a bad case of lip sync on one of my movies. and if i decide to return it how good is OPPO return policy? i bought it online thru OPPO thx in advance.
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How many movies do you own, Oppo has one of the best return policies and custoner service in the Business.
I have not heard one review on the Denon and since it has the same chip I believe, it may have the same problem for $150 more + SACD.
How is the Oppo on your other movies compared to your old Player?(what was the old player?)
Email Oppo and tell them, they will get back with you soon.
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How many movies do you own, Oppo has one of the best return policies and custoner service in the Business.
I have not heard one review on the Denon and since it has the same chip I believe, it may have the same problem for $150 more + SACD.
How is the Oppo on your other movies compared to your old Player?(what was the old player?)
Email Oppo and tell them, they will get back with you soon.

i own well over 300 dvd's and the OPPO looks great , i was playing JOHN Q and it's the first movie i had lip sync problems with. i was just hoping it was also the last.. im was just skeptical because i read some reviews about the lip sync associated with the OPPO but it's the latest firmware on it already.
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Thats a pretty good track record 300 to 1.
Good to here it looks great, what TV do you have as I am looking at the oppo, Samsung hd960, Denon 1930CI (at under $300) and HDa1 as my next purchase.
From a style prospective I like the Denon, best valueunder $300, possibly the oppo and Samsung.
But then the HDA1 is looking good as the price drops, not much more than the Denon.
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Thats a pretty good track record 300 to 1.
Good to here it looks great, what TV do you have as I am looking at the oppo, Samsung hd960, Denon 1930CI (at under $300) and HDa1 as my next purchase.
From a style prospective I like the Denon, best valueunder $300, possibly the oppo and Samsung.
But then the HDA1 is looking good as the price drops, not much more than the Denon.

i have the sony sxrd 60a2000
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So lets hear from someone that has received their DVD-1930CI. How is it?
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So lets hear from someone that has received their DVD-1930CI. How is it?

I've received the 1930CI... unfortunately, I'm not the best guy to give you feedback as I really have nothing to compare to...

I've been into AV for years, but am new to HD, having just purchased a Mitsubitshi 52628 HDTV... I started with an old Sony DVD player (480i, non-prog scan), and the DVD pictures were not good at all.

I do have an XBOX 360, which plays movies in 480p, and was surprised at how much better DVD's looked on it vs the old Sony DVD player...

I did some research on upscaling DVD players, and decided to wait for the 1930CI, which I received and hooked up last weekend...

My initial impression is that it does a pretty good job. I've watched a couple of movies, and a couple of concerts, and the picture is very good... However, on the Rush in Rio concert DVD, I did notice Lip-Sync issues, which I haven't noticed before... am not sure how to fix that, if it's even possible.

However, and here's where my lack of experience w/ HD 'stuff' shows (as if it hasn't already), but I don't seem to be able to upscale movies all the way to the 1080p... only to 1080i. Maybe I'm just doing something wrong, or don't understand all of this upscaling stuff very well yet, but when I push the HDMI button on the front of the DVD player to change from 1080i to 1080p, the tv doesn't recognize the change... when I change between 480p / 720p / 1080i the tv senses the change and 'resets' then shows the new setting. However, when I change from 1080i to 1080p, the tv doesn't reset and change to the 1080p that the DVD player shows... it just stays set to 1080i... that seems like an issue to me...

Does anyone have any thoughts or suggestions? or has anyone else run into this?

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Yeah, make sure the Mits does actually support 1080P.

Not many displays support this yet.
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Yeah, make sure the Mits does actually support 1080P.

Not many displays support this yet.


It's my understanding that it supports 1080p. From their website:

WD-52628 : 52"
1080p DLP HDTV
Overview The 628 Series 1080p DLP HDTVs employ advanced signal processing and the latest 1080p DLP chip for unsurpassed detail to produce an exceptional picture quality.

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The Mits 52628 does NOT accept a 1080P input. A quick search through the Mits owner group for this model series will confirm. MOst of the 2005 1080P sets did not accept a 1080P input ( which was an irritant for many who bought them ). The HP 2005 sets DO accept 1080P inputs. )

If you look at the product sheet from the Mitsubishi web site ( http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/img/221035 ) it also states the set only accepts 1080i as a max input for both component and HDMI connections.

Hope this helps.. least you know it is not a problem with the Denon unit.
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Perfect... That confirms that the Denon DVD player isn't the problem.

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I just got one, and it seems to have identical quality to the Oppo. I have not done any A/B tests, and don't plan on it. The only thing I can say is that it doesn't support CD-Text or SACD-Text, and it's kinda confusing to get the Hi-Res audio options setup. Also, there is no way to switch the HDMI mode via remote, or without stopping the player. Other than that, I have not had any problems.
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So lets hear from someone that has received their DVD-1930CI. How is it?

I purchased my 1930CI a couple of weeks ago and I am pleased. I own a Westinghouse LVM-42W2 42" 1080p LCD the and up-conversion to 1080p is very good. Gladiator looks looks great in 1080p.

DVDs have never looked so good. The the combination of the 1930CI and a 1080p display has definately renewed my interest in watching DVDs.

Has anyone compared the 1930CI up-conversion to that of a Toshiba HD-A1 HD DVD player?
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Has anyone taken the cover off of theirs and discovered what MPEG decoder is in there?

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Is the PQ of the 1930CI better than the 1920? How much better? Any macroblocking by Faroudja?
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Quick question: Will this player output digital audio (Dolby Digital and DTS) to the coax/optical outputs while using HDMI for video?
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Quick question: Will this player output digital audio (Dolby Digital and DTS) to the coax/optical outputs while using HDMI for video?

gchan,

I just got my Denon 1930ci setup; yes you can ouput DD/DTS via coax or optical while using HDMI for video. This is the way I have mine setup as well.

I upgraded from a Pioneer Elite DV-37 to the Denon 1930ci. The pioneer retailed when new for $1000. The Denon I believe retails for $350. The pioneer build quality is very nice and heavy probably weighing twice the Denon. Anyway, I'm very pleased with this DVD player which is connected to a Panasonic 900u projector. I honestly did not expect to see such a dramatic difference with my standard def DVD's going from my Pioneer component DVD player but the upconversion is quite amazing. Not HD_DVD quality but good enough that I'm now not always thinking "wow this image in not very good". I was having a hard time deciding between the 1930ci and the new Pioneer Elite DV-46av. The Denon does have a nice metal face plate and looks nice. For the price, I think it is a very nice player and one that I plan on using while waiting for the 2nd or 3rd generation HD-DVD players to become available. Anyway, if a friend were looking for a DVD player that upconverts, I would recommend this player to him.
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polkguy,

thanks for the reply. I am leaning very strongly for the denon 1930ci. I narrowed it down to this and samsung hd960. both of these do 1080p output whereas the others only do 1080i. yamaha is supposed to come out with their 1080p in november, but still no info. did you looked into the samsung before you acquired the denon?
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Any problems with the 1930 and burned media?

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polkguy,

thanks for the reply. I am leaning very strongly for the denon 1930ci. I narrowed it down to this and samsung hd960. both of these do 1080p output whereas the others only do 1080i. yamaha is supposed to come out with their 1080p in november, but still no info. did you looked into the samsung before you acquired the denon?


Mainly just looked at the Oppo, Pioneer and Denon brands.
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Any problems with the 1930 and burned media?

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All of my burned DVDs which are on +R media read with no problems whatsoever.
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I have tested three DVD-Rs burned from three different sources, and all played perfectly.
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i've had mine since wednesday. I seem to be getting a lot of artifacts, especially during dark scenes. anyone else with this problem? I'm using it on a KDS-60A2000 SXRD, outputting the player at 1080p. Gonna probably hookup the oppo to the other hdmi and try to compare the two, the denon at 1080p and the oppo at 1080i

anyone have setting reccomendations? progressive on/off? hdmi normal/enhanced?
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Good to know - thanks
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i've had mine since wednesday. I seem to be getting a lot of artifacts, especially during dark scenes. anyone else with this problem? I'm using it on a KDS-60A2000 SXRD, outputting the player at 1080p. Gonna probably hookup the oppo to the other hdmi and try to compare the two, the denon at 1080p and the oppo at 1080i

anyone have setting reccomendations? progressive on/off? hdmi normal/enhanced?

try setting the denon to 1080i or 720P and let the Sony do the rest, I hear it has excellent deinterlacers and scalers
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I've heard the opposite of the Sony A2000 series. The scaler/deinterlacers are apparently a step down from those that were in the XBR1s (which are maintained in the XBR2s). I think it defeats the point of having this player (and a TV with 1080p inputs) if you can't use them.

This sounds like it could be a couple different things (detailed below). It could be the Faroudja macroblocking problem (discussed in another thread). Happens with some sets + some players. I'm not very familiar with the details of the problem, so I won't post more on that.

It could also be the way the set handles HDMI 1080p blacks (which, fortunately you can at least try to fix). I have read the manual for the 2930ci (since the 1930ci manual isn't available for download, and I'm planning to get a 1930 this week). HDMI enhanced mode outputs black as 0 on the 16-bit scale, whereas normal outputs black at 16 (leaving room for "blacker than black"). I would try both settings and see which looks better (neither will look better if this is not the source of your problem).

You should also try setting the "HDMI auto format" setting to Max Res (in case the sony isn't communicating 1080p back to the Denon). Squeeze Mode -> Off. Pixel Chopping -> Off. Progressive -> On. TV Type -> NTSC. See if that does anything for ya. It forces a few settings into their correct, less obtrusive positions.
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thanks rplotkin i'll give those suggestions a try.
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hmm a lot of those options your getting from the 2930ci manual aren't on the 1930ci player. maybe stating i'm getting artifacts is incorrect, it's more like "digital noise" grains i'm getting a lot of throughout any movie. from far way (over 12 feet) you can't really see it, and the picture looks great, but any closer and you'll notice it.
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