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post #91 of 5209 Old 12-02-2006, 01:05 PM
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A couple of things I've noted about the new DV-981HD:

On the Product Comparison page, in the "Video D/A Converting:" row, the entry for the older OPDV971H model says "108MHz/12bit Video DAC". But the same entry for the DV-981HD says "Not available". WTF?!?

I thought they both had the same exact video processing hardware. How could there be no Video DAC in the DV-981HD?

Also, what version of the HDMI spec does the DV-981HD support? (I suspect it's only HDMI 1.1.)

Based on my reading of the new features of HDMI 1.3, buying something that doesn't yet support that version of the interface seems almost foolish to me at this point. (He said, speaking as someone who bought into the HD game back in the brief "DVI era", using 1080i, DVI and Digital Audio outs and thinking he was "future-proofing" his setup. Har-de-har-har!)

One other thing that was news to me - if you play DVD-Audio or SACD discs, apparently there is no output on either of the Digital Audio ports (coax or optical), due to lack of HDCP on them. You can only play back these discs if you use the 5.1 analogue outputs or via HDMI into an HDMI (and thus HDCP) compliant receiver. (Just what I always wanted, to add 6 more cables to the back of my setup just to get analogue output from digital audio formats. No wonder DVD-A and SACD were stillborn!)
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On the Product Comparison page, in the "Video D/A Converting:" row, the entry for the older OPDV971H model says "108MHz/12bit Video DAC". But the same entry for the DV-981HD says "Not available". WTF?!?

I thought they both had the same exact video processing hardware. How could there be no Video DAC in the DV-981HD?

No component ports on the 981. D/A is not required for HDMI.

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Also, what version of the HDMI spec does the DV-981HD support? (I suspect it's only HDMI 1.1.)

I hear 1.3 licensing is expensive. I don't think there is any benefit for SD-DVD video. I haven't followed the audio issues.

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No benefit for SD DVD audio either.

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I wonder if I should get this because of 1080p output. Reason is because I have a 1080p TV, and when I set my 971 to 720p, I get very smooth video, but if I set it to 1080i, I get a bit more detail. If I get the 981, and set to 1080p output, would I get both more detail and smoother video?
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It's only HDMI v1.1, but HDMI v1.3 is pointless for DVD (it adds bitstream support for formats that DVD can't support and some video bandwidth capability that not even HD-DVD and Blu-ray can use).

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But HDMI 1.3 would be a nice little tick mark that no other DVD manufacturer could claim.
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But HDMI 1.3 would be a nice little tick mark that no other DVD manufacturer could claim.

Has your NDA expired? Are you giving us a peek under the hood?

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The NDA's are gone, but I think Neuro's just talking in theoretical (sort of a "what if" for bragging rights even if it served no purpose) - the 981HD has v1.1.

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Am trying to understand how the zoom capabilities of the 981 would work in my set up.

I have a 16:9 plasma (Panasonic TH-50PHD8UK) which will not zoom HD input so I need to rely on the aspect ratio capabilities in the source (my bad perhaps!).

As far as I can tell from the manual online the 981 offers these setup options:
"16:9 Wide - 16:9 (widescreen) sources will be displayed in their native aspect ratio, and 4:3 sources will be stretched.
16:9 Wide/Auto - 16:9 (widescreen) as well as 4:3 sources will be displayed in their native aspect ratio. Please note that in this mode 4:3 sources will be displayed with black borders on both sides to maintain the correct 4:3 aspect ratio."

As it's a plasma I want to avoid the 16:9 Wide/Auto option, nor does the 981 manual recommend it. However, rather than stretched 4:3 content I prefer to zoom and lose the top and bottom of the picture. Occasionally I need to toggle between normal and zoomed if a DVD menu or particular scene is badly cut off. There doesn't seem to be an aspect ratio setting to do this nor is control of the aspect ratio easily accessible from a single button on the remote

The 981 does have a zoom button on the remote but does not appear to offer a 1.33 setting to zoom the width of a 4:3 signal to the width of a 16:9 display. It also has 12 settings which is a lot to toggle through compared with the normal-stretch-zoom options on the "HD zoom" button of my HD-cable box remote.

Am I missing something here? Do the 970 or 971 offer any better options on this issue?
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Has your NDA expired? Are you giving us a peek under the hood?

Gonk already has pictures et al for the DV-981HD on his website for review.
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The NDA's are gone, but I think Neuro's just talking in theoretical (sort of a "what if" for bragging rights even if it served no purpose) - the 981HD has v1.1.

Oh, sure. I understand. But, it has lots of deserved bragging rights. Look at its parents.

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Gonk already has pictures et al for the DV-981HD on his website for review.

What's the address to his website?

Nevermind, found it.
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Yep, that review is mine - must have been busier than I realized yesterday at work, thought I'd posted it in this thread already.

My compliments to you, gonk, on a very fine review. Having done a few product reviews myself, it isn't as easy as people might think. You want to be accurate and informative without droning on about minutia. I think it's terrific, frankly.

One small quibble. At one point you say "The HDMI Audio setting should be set to 'Off' if you are using a DVI display." Not quite, as I have a DVI display but the Oppo 981 will be connected through an HDMI 2:1 switching AVR in which the sound will be utilized by the receiver and the video connected HDMI>DVI to the TV. The online Manual on page 18 gives more complete info on using a receiver between the 981 and the TV.

I liked your reference to the great video performance of both the 971 and the 981 on your "little" HD TV 32" CRT direct view screen. Mine is a whopping 34" direct view CRT Sony 16:9 display (with DVI) and I got terrific results from the 971 right from the start of use in the spring of 2005. But, I kept reading "write ups" (I won't dignify them as "reviews.") in which some writers claimed that the 971 would not be desirable with HD direct view CRTs because they don't have fixed pixel displays. I challenged a couple of them based on my experience and managed to get one to change his wording to "might not be desirable." I think the writer thought that I was an exception because my Sony XBR910 has the "Super Fine Pitch" screen. I'm glad to know that there are more CRT HD TVs benefiting from the Oppo 971 and others may be candidates for the 981.

And I admired your four-footed feline assistant checking out those gold plated terminals!

Altogether, a splendid job. Very well written. It reflects a lot of time and attention to detail. Thanks so much.

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Thanks for the kind compliments on my review, and good point about the HDMI audio/DVI video/HDMI receiver - there are definitely cases even with a DVI display where letting the HDMI audio run would be useful. I'll have to hop in and tweak that some time this weekend.

That particular feline assistant is always on hand for new boxes, but he's actually the "little" cat around here (only 14 or 15 pounds). The big cat tends to restrict his involvement to components that can safely handle his 20-pound weight - like subwoofers.

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Thanks for the kind compliments on my review, and good point about the HDMI audio/DVI video/HDMI receiver - there are definitely cases even with a DVI display where letting the HDMI audio run would be useful. I'll have to hop in and tweak that some time this weekend.

That particular feline assistant is always on hand for new boxes, but he's actually the "little" cat around here (only 14 or 15 pounds). The big cat tends to restrict his involvement to components that can safely handle his 20-pound weight - like subwoofers.

OMG. We have four but none as BIG as yours on the sub.

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Here is some info people may find informative from an email response from Oppo. I asked which one they would recomend for my 1080p JVC than accepts only up to 1080i:



If there is no native 1080p support for an incoming signal, then all of
our DVD units will work well with your display. We generally recommend
the DV-970HD for 1080i support, as it has the cleanest looking 1080i
signal.

Best Regards,

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.
453 Ravendale Dr, Suite D
Mountain View, CA 94043
Service@oppodigital.com
Tel: 650-961-1118
Fax: 650-961-1119
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gonk,

Since you and I both have a DVI-equipped display I thought you might find this little bit of DVI trivia of interest. Perhaps it came from one of the other Oppo threads - and possibly everyone except me knows this already. It may be helpful info to others with DVI equipment adapting to an HDMI world.

I came across a comment online from a fellow who has a 50' DVI>DVI cable embedded in the wall of his home theater room. He is switching to HDMI equipment and wanted to know if there was any reason he couldn't use DVI>HDMI adapters at both ends to convert the cable to HDMI>HDMI connections. Of course HDMI is a 19 pin connector and DVI is a 24 pin connection (ignoring the 5 analog pins of a DVI-I connector) so the first blush answer is no. But the adapter is a 19 pin for pin match on both ends so the right answer was that he certainly could do so.

My biggest complaint with HDMI is the sloppy, loose connection from cable to terminal. The more expensive HDMI cables have heavier connectors (probably to justify their higher prices) which are counter-productive; they tend to fall out of the terminal sockets! Supposedly, there is a revised HDMI connector coming which will be backward compatible. But, DVI with its superior connectivity could have been used instead of HDMI. There are more than enough pins to carry video and audio, more in fact than the HDMI cable. And of course DVI can be HDCP compliant.

Finally, for those who have problematic HDMI cable connections, monoprice.com sells a nifty eight inch long so-called "Port Saver" HDMI male to female cable for $3.78 that really helps. http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...ormat=2&style=

Thanks for listening.

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Just based on comparing the two, I thought the 981HD actually matched the S1500 for SACD and was very close to the S1500 on DVD-A...

Very much appreciated. Also appreciated your review. Thank you!
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Hi folks - thanks so much for all the great information ! I have been a happy 971 owner for some time, but just replaced my old EDTV with with Pioneer 5070 1368x768p box - curious if anyone has a feeling whether the ability of the 981 to feed this box with 1080p over 720p is going to be worth the expense of swapping my 971 for new 981 ? It seems to me that feeding the TV 1080p (1920 × 1080) and downconverting is better than sending it 720p (1280 x 720) to upconvert but very very marginally so....

Any thoughts ?
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My biggest complaint with HDMI is the sloppy, loose connection from cable to terminal. The more expensive HDMI cables have heavier connectors (probably to justify their higher prices) which are counter-productive; they tend to fall out of the terminal sockets! Supposedly, there is a revised HDMI connector coming which will be backward compatible. But, DVI with its superior connectivity could have been used instead of HDMI. There are more than enough pins to carry video and audio, more in fact than the HDMI cable. And of course DVI can be HDCP compliant.

Finally, for those who have problematic HDMI cable connections, monoprice.com sells a nifty eight inch long so-called "Port Saver" HDMI male to female cable for $3.78 that really helps. http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...ormat=2&style=

There was some hope that HDMI v1.3 would include a revision to the connector that would allow a more solid connection, but it didn't show up. Maybe we'll still get one down the road... In the meanwhile, that little port saver is an interesting idea - I'd probably reserve it for dire need (rather not have an extra cable in the signal path if it's not necessary), but it could do the trick when the need arises.

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This new player will be a good option for a TV Sony CRT model KV-36DRC430? also I have a TV Samsung CRT model TX-R3079WH (both with HDMI input)
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Here is some info people may find informative from an email response from Oppo. I asked which one they would recomend for my 1080p JVC than accepts only up to 1080i.

I wonder when OPPO people stop being nice.
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When Best Buy starts carrying it. Just Kidding. Hopefully not though.

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I wonder if I should get this because of 1080p output. Reason is because I have a 1080p TV, and when I set my 971 to 720p, I get very smooth video, but if I set it to 1080i, I get a bit more detail. If I get the 981, and set to 1080p output, would I get both more detail and smoother video?

Yes, it depends on your TV, of course, but I am confident that you would benefit from both (increased detail and smoothness).

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It seems to me that feeding the TV 1080p (1920 × 1080) and downconverting is better than sending it 720p (1280 x 720) to upconvert but very very marginally so... ?

Not necessarily. It depends entirely on the processing prowess of your TV, and nobody would be able to honestly answer your question, until they had tested it with your specific model.

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Gonk, I am using the Monoprice "Port Savers" on all my equipment and they work great.
They provide a very snug connection and they put less weight on the internal connectors.
Unitil we have a better HDMI connector they will have to do for me. Regarding the extra few inches of cable on the Port Savers, this does not present a problem since HDMI is a digital signal and there should be no loss in quality. I put them on all my HDMI connectors and the price was even lower when you buy 6 or more. They are a great tweak and since HDMI has 19 contacts they help to make for a very good connection. I own an Oppo 971, 970 and a Toshiba HD1 connected to a Panasonic AE900. I am thinking of getting a 981 and selling my 971 to a friend.
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Cool, rwestley - I guess I was just worrying about adding an extra connection (mainly the extra set of contacts to potentially act up), but it sounds like the port saver is well behaved enough to not create a problem there.

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Guys i ALMOST ordered the Samsung 960 DVD....
Should i get the Oppo 981 instead ??
Im gonna use it with a 55A2000 ( Eu model identical to the USA XBR2 ).
Is there something better within the 300$ price tag ?

Sincerely
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Keep in mind there is a beta firmware fix for the compression issue on the 970 that works pretty well.

Is this a public beta firmware fix? I don't see any compression-fixin' firmware at oppodigital.
Curious.
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