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Absolutely, couldn't agree more, sometimes you get a so called letterbox widescreen that 1.2x or 1.3 X zoom helps to resize it your 16:9 ratio screen.

can you please explain what this 1.2x or 1.3x zoom is?

is that a zoom on you t.v. or are you refering to your dvd player?
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can you please explain what this 1.2x or 1.3x zoom is?

is that a zoom on you t.v. or are you refering to your dvd player?

This Sony DVP-NS77H only supports 2x and 4x zoom with a icon on screen letting you know what power zoom you are using. It expands the picture to fill the height of the screen but cuts off the picture on the left side and right side when using the 2x. Another method is if you have a 16:9 HDTV display and you encounter a letterbox widescreen you can use the various wide fit zooms to correct not filling most of the screen. Depending on your set you might be limited also on what you can do. The Oppo 970 player has multiple zoom steps from 1.2x to 4x, very handy if your display or projector lacks the zoom abilities to correct a odd aspect ration of say a 2.21:1 and your stuck with a partial filled screen.

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How does this compare to the Samsung 1080p7?

Also, will the Theater Sync function of this DVD player work with a Samsung TV with Anynet+? Aren't both features just HDMI-CEC?
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How does this compare to the Samsung 1080p7?

Also, will the Theater Sync function of this DVD player work with a Samsung TV with Anynet+? Aren't both features just HDMI-CEC?

BRAVIA Theatre Sync and Anynet+ are somewhat similar, both seem to automate the setup and remote control by using HDMI-CEC devices.

I use a Samsung HLT-6189S LED DLP display, and naturally I tried the Samsung 1080P7 at first. Since the HDMI settings are 480P/720P/1080P I tried 1080P first. The movie (Fifth Element - superbit) was overly grainy and seem to have a problem with dark reds. I started to adjust the picture and the 1080P7 locked up. I had to pull the plug, in order to restore operation of 1080P7. I had read this player locked up, but didn't expect it to be so bad. Returned the Samsung Player to the store.

When the Sony DVP-NS77H came out a few weeks later, I tried it and ran through the same scene and the picture was barely grainy unless you looked real close. Since the Sony allows 480P/720P/1080i/1080P I went down to 1080i and the picture was perfect (very sharp and no noise). I adjusted a few settings and found DVP-NS77H made a mockery of the 1080P7 video and sound-wise. If you want a low cost DVD player with easy setup via HDMI, excellent PQ and Audio, then I highly recommend this player.

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When the Sony DVP-NS77H came out a few weeks later, I tried it and ran through the same scene and the picture was barely grainy unless you looked real close. Since the Sony allows 480P/720P/1080i/1080P I went down to 1080i and the picture was perfect (very sharp and no noise). I adjusted a few settings and found DVP-NS75H made a mockery of the 1080P7 video and sound-wise. If you want a low cost DVD player with easy setup via HDMI, excellent PQ and Audio, then I highly recommend this player.

You mention the DVP-NS77H and the DVP-NS75H each in the above post, I think you meant to say one or the other? Besides the DVP-NS77H having 1080P output and some minor cosmetic differences, are these two models basically the same?
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The 77 also has the HD JPEG feature through HDMI, which the 75 does not. It allows high resolution viewing of picture files on your HDTV.
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You mention the DVP-NS77H and the DVP-NS75H each in the above post, I think you meant to say one or the other? Besides the DVP-NS77H having 1080P output and some minor cosmetic differences, are these two models basically the same?

Yes, my mistake, corrected.
Yes pretty much the same unit. (77 versus 75)
The outside design is different somewhat, size is close. The BNR on the 75 is gone on the 77. Still the zoom icon showing when zoom x2 or x4. The addition of 1080P which has been determined is not any better then 1080i, just barely grainier, but still a feature some would want. I do however like that this comes in BLACK!

Its also $20 cheaper.

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BRAVIA Theatre Sync and Anynet+ are somewhat similar, both seem to automate the setup and remote control by using HDMI-CEC devices.

I use a Samsung HLT-6189S LED DLP display, and naturally I tried the Samsung 1080P7 at first. Since the HDMI settings are 480P/720P/1080P I tried 1080P first. The movie (Fifth Element - superbit) was overly grainy and seem to have a problem with dark reds. I started to adjust the picture and the 1080P7 locked up. I had to pull the plug, in order to restore operation of 1080P7. I had read this player locked up, but didn't expect it to be so bad. Returned the Samsung Player to the store.

When the Sony DVP-NS77H came out a few weeks later, I tried it and ran through the same scene and the picture was barely grainy unless you looked real close. Since the Sony allows 480P/720P/1080i/1080P I went down to 1080i and the picture was perfect (very sharp and no noise). I adjusted a few settings and found DVP-NS77H made a mockery of the 1080P7 video and sound-wise. If you want a low cost DVD player with easy setup via HDMI, excellent PQ and Audio, then I highly recommend this player.

Thanks for the detailed reply, John. Looks like I will be getting the Sony. One question though . . . As the Sony does not have a USB slot, how do you get your photos on it for the HP JPG feature? Or do you have to burn them to CD?

As for the Anynet+ and Theater Sync . . . Are they interchangable? In other words, will the remote for my Samsung TV with Anynet+ control the Sony DVD player with Theater Sync? I thought that since the names were simply branded versions of HDMI-CEC that it might.

Thanks again!
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Yes, my mistake, corrected.
Yes pretty much the same unit. (77 versus 75)
The outside design is different somewhat, size is close. The BNR on the 75 is gone on the 77. Still the zoom icon showing when zoom x2 or x4. The addition of 1080P which has been determined is not any better then 1080i, just barely grainier, but still a feature some would want. I do however like that this comes in BLACK!

Its also $20 cheaper.

So you'd recommend the 77 vice the 75?
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One question though . . . As the Sony does not have a USB slot, how do you get your photos on it for the HP JPG feature? Or do you have to burn them to CD?

It reads JPEG's from burned CD's (and DVD's), like most other players do these days.
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As the Sony does not have a USB slot, how do you get your photos on it for the HP JPG feature? Or do you have to burn them to CD?

yup, copy your pics onto a CD-R
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yup, copy your pics onto a CD-R

A nice feature, but certainly not as convenient as those players with a USB port built in. Honestly, I don't see myself ever using this feature, especially since most TVs now have a built in USB port.
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A nice feature, but certainly not as convenient as those players with a USB port built in. Honestly, I don't see myself ever using this feature, especially since most TVs now have a built in USB port.

true - my XBR1 has a flash memory card slot
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So you'd recommend the 77 vice the 75?

Yes, I like the black appearance a lot more, plus its fun to try to tell the difference between 1080i and 1080p. 1080p is slightly sharper, versus 1080i is slightly smoother. Its darn close as I have been comparing each other resolution against modern films of better video quality.

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A nice feature, but certainly not as convenient as those players with a USB port built in. Honestly, I don't see myself ever using this feature, especially since most TVs now have a built in USB port.

Excellent point, your better TV's do have a USB port, making this in a player redundant.

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Thanks for all the good info, guys. I've been considering picking up an upconverting player and saw the 77 at my local Target this weekend and almost grabbed one, but I didn't want to buy it without knowing anything about it. I guess I'll pick one up this weekend. I had been leaning towards the 75 and didn't know Sony had a new player coming out -- I'm glad I waited!
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Has anyone tried this unit with DVD+R or DVD-R recorded DVD's? My Original Oppo 971 started doing pauses and skips with these several months ago (according to the thread, it is common).
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I'm having a hell of a time deciding between this player and the Oppo DV-981HD. Any opinions?
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I'm having a hell of a time deciding between this player and the Oppo DV-981HD. Any opinions?

Depends on what you want in a player. The $100 Sony DVP-NS77H is a fine basic 1080P player for most people.

If you want a universal player with comparable video quality, multiple zoom, SACD/DVD-Audio capacity, Dolby Digital Surround EX decoding, then step up to a $169 Oppo DV-980.

The $229 DV-981HD should be only considered over the DV-980HD if your display/projector lacks a good deinterlacer/scaler. Some displays (DLP, Plasma for example) also have macroblocking issues with the Faroudja video processor, and so you want to use either a Sony DVP-NS77H, or a Oppo DV-980 based on the features you intend to use.

One note, in most cases you don't use analog outputs like the new 7.1 feature in the Oppo, you tend to use a optical connection to your amp or AV receiver and use its superior Dolby EX/DTS decoders.

Bottom line, what do you need in a player?

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The Oppo 980 & 970's have a USB port (USB 2.0 in the 980).

Only the 970 has a 4-in-1 flash memory card reader compatible with Memory Stick, Secure Digital, Multi-Media Card, and SmartMedia (MS/SD/MMC/SM), which is nice for photos (and music, and Divx if you are so inclined), but it's USB port is only 1.1.
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I just read in this thread that this upconverting DVD player is useless if you're using it with a projector with a good scaler/deinterlacer. is this also the case with a 57" inch rear projection widescreen HDTV (Toshiba 57F710A, 1080i max)???
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The Oppo 980 & 970's have a USB port (USB 2.0 in the 980).

Only the 970 has a 4-in-1 flash memory card reader compatible with Memory Stick, Secure Digital, Multi-Media Card, and SmartMedia (MS/SD/MMC/SM), which is nice for photos (and music, and Divx if you are so inclined), but it's USB port is only 1.1.

If you want the older $149 Oppo 970HD, better buy it now, otherwise the $169 980HD coming in 2 to 4 weeks is its replacement. You can still burn photo's/MP3's top CD's or DVD's on your computer and then use either a Sony or Oppo player for playing them.
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I just read in this thread that this upconverting DVD player is useless if you're using it with a projector with a good scaler/deinterlacer. is this also the case with a 57" inch rear projection widescreen HDTV (Toshiba 57F710A, 1080i max)???

In either case (projector or RPD) the Sony DVP-NS77H should be able to work fine.

My Samsung DLP has a 6th generation DCDi processor and I have no problems PQ with this player, except with the zoom icon remaining on when in zoom mode (its a known minor issue).

I prefer to use 1080i with my Samsung DLP scaling it to 1080P for a smoother picture. PQ is better using this upconversion player then a previous progressive Pioneer DV-578A player I was using, and letting the Samsung do it. I find the picture much sharper, when combined with movie mode on Samsung DLP.

FYI if you read into the details of the projector with DVI interface that Iggymama was using, it was 720P native but also was 1080P capable (not native), so this caused some problems with HDMI autosense. The Oppo 970HD ultimately worked out better in that situation.

You can easily set the HDMI output to either 480P/720P/1080i/1080P BTW.

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so a rear projection widescreen TV doesn't have a good enough scaler/deinterlacer and adding a upconverting DVD player would actually give me better picture quality?
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so a rear projection widescreen TV doesn't have a good enough scaler/deinterlacer and adding a upconverting DVD player would actually give me better picture quality?

That's a loaded question. Why don't we discuss which is better Component versus HDMI? In different situations each can be superior to the other, the same is true discussing benefits of upconverting DVD players versus sticking with a Progressive player.

In my case I use a non-DCDi mode called movie mode on the Samsung that IMHO makes the video a bit too smooth for my tastes. Using an upconverting player that introduces essentially a clean video via HDMI at 1080i works perfectly, makes the video much sharper, and appears much closer to HD quality then inputting a component 480P to my set.

You might be surprised at how good some upconversion players are these days, even though you may think that a MediaTek chipset is inferior to whats in your set. The MediaTek chipset if properly implemented does a very good job video processing IMHO!

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Depends on what you want in a player. The $100 Sony DVP-NS77H is a fine basic 1080P player for most people.

If you want a universal player with comparable video quality, multiple zoom, SACD/DVD-Audio capacity, Dolby Digital Surround EX decoding, then step up to a $169 Oppo DV-980.

The $229 DV-981HD should be only considered over the DV-980HD if your display/projector lacks a good deinterlacer/scaler. Some displays (DLP, Plasma for example) also have macroblocking issues with the Faroudja video processor, and so you want to use either a Sony DVP-NS77H, or a Oppo DV-980 based on the features you intend to use.

One note, in most cases you don't use analog outputs like the new 7.1 feature in the Oppo, you tend to use a optical connection to your amp or AV receiver and use its superior Dolby EX/DTS decoders.

Bottom line, what do you need in a player?

I have emailed Oppo many times on this, and they say that the interlacer/scaler in the Oppo DV-981HD is superior to the one in my 60" Sony XBR1. They say I would want to set the Oppo to output at 720P, so the Oppo does all the interlacing and half the scaling (since they say it has the superior interlacing/scaling technology). So I guess my best bet (for $250 or less price range) is to get the DV-981HD, and let it do all the "heavy lifting"?
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I have emailed Oppo many times on this, and they say that the interlacer/scaler in the Oppo DV-981HD is superior to the one in my 60" Sony XBR1. They say I would want to set the Oppo to output at 720P, so the Oppo does all the interlacing and half the scaling (since they say it has the superior interlacing/scaling technology). So I guess my best bet (for $250 or less price range) is to get the DV-981HD, and let it do all the "heavy lifting"?

Sounds like the right move, for us with macroblocking issues we have to shy away from the DV-981HD, and stick with either the inexpensive Sony DVP-NS77H basic player or go for the Oppo DV-980HD if you need a universal player handling SACD/DVD-Audio and its flexable zoom capabilities.

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Sounds like the right move, for us with macroblocking issues we have to shy away from the DV-981HD, and stick with either the inexpensive Sony DVP-NS77H basic player or go for the Oppo DV-980HD if you need a universal player handling SACD/DVD-Audio and its flexable zoom capabilities.

yeah, luckily for me LCoS sets don't generally suffer from macroblocking with the Oppo (according to what I've read, and what Oppo customer service told me).
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all this 1080p stuff sees like a sham....almost everybodies reviews i've read have said the 1080p makes the movies more grainy...

i'm more then happy with my 75...
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all this 1080p stuff sees like a sham....almost everybodies reviews i've read have said the 1080p makes the movies more grainy...

same
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