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post #91 of 6369 Old 07-25-2007, 07:57 AM
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Apparently, Oppo DV-981HD has better picture quality for movies - but DV-980H has the extremely useful USB 2.0 connectivity.

It would be great if there was an updated version of the DV-981HD with Faroujda to include USB 2.0 connectivity. It would be a dream come true and I sould not mind paying an additional $50 for that !

Is there any such model planned ? Any news / inside info ?
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Apparently, Oppo DV-981HD has better picture quality for movies

This is subjective, you have to compare both and see which one *you* prefer. My understanding is that the 981 will produce a softer, more film-like picture where the 980 will produce a sharper, more vivid picture. Personally, I'd prefer the 980 on this alone.

Even though the 981 may produce a more "correct" picture, it does you no good if you think the 980 looks better to your eye.
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Is there any such model planned ? Any news / inside info ?

I would be very surprised if they introduce USB and other user-friendly technology in a high-end DVD player. The best we will likely see is RS-232.
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The 981 review did not appear for many months. Kris Deering has to do the work and then the review appears on the web some unknown time later, beyond his control.

No one has mentioned yet: this machine was in beta for months and there was not a hint of a rumor about it at AVSForum.

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Are those things usually leaked? I have never noticed any leaks with the previous players. The customers and beta testers love the Oppo players, it has been a interesting thing to watch. Since I know customer service is expensive and margins for these products very low, I don't have a clue if Oppo actually makes any money, but the customers are happy and the products work well and that is more than I can say for many companies these days.

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The 981 review did not appear for many months. Kris Deering has to do the work and then the review appears on the web some unknown time later, beyond his control.

Kris is also very busy in his personal life and does not have the same amount of time he used to be able to dedicate to Secrets.
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Are those things usually leaked?

With OPPO: Yes. The reason for this is that their CSRs really do not want to sell you something that they think will not do your home theater justice. With the DV-970HD, people knew about the project months in advance because many people were talking about buying the OPDV971H for component based video, which the OPDV971H only offered sub-par 480i. Back then the CSRs would hint of an upcoming model to reduce "buyer's remorse".

The DV-981HD was speculated for some time because of 1080p, SACD, and HDMI pressure (the later two coming from the cheaper, DV-970HD).
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No, the DV-981HD is still the flagship unit in terms of de-interlacing and scaling. The advantage of the DV-980H is that is supports 1080p upconversion without macroblock enhancement errors like the DV-981HD. This becomes useful for users who are worried about macroblocking errors, such as DLP or plasma users.

I currently use a 981HD at 1080p with a Sharp 20000 1080p capable DLP pj displayed on a 100" screen, and I am plagued with macro-blocking artifacts. I tried a 970HD to avoid the Faroudja mb problem, but found that the 1080i output was not refined enough and decided to stick with the 981HD. My question is:

Is the scaling/deinterlacing process from 480>1080p on the 980 likely to be better (i.e. less or "easier" processing) than that of the 970HD? Can I be hopeful that the image might be a bit "smoother" than that of the 970HD, even if not as smooth as that of the 981HD?
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Any of the beta testers using the 980HD to feed 480i to an outboard video processor, or even better, as a true universal transport to a pre/pro or AVR (i.e both audio and video)?

My guess is that video-wise, the 980HD offers the same performance as the 970HD when outputting 480i. Does the 980HD automatically switch from 480i output to 720p (or 1080i) when feeding DVD-Audio or SACD to a pre/pro or AVR over HDMI? I remember this being an issue with the 970, and I don't remember if OPPO ever implemented this automatic switch.

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No, there is no automatic resolution switching. This was something I talked to them about, but their fear was using a setting that is not 100% compatible with all displays (for example, some older HDTVs don't have 720p support). There was talk about having a user selectable resolution for DVD-Audio and SACD (this becomes problematic as SACD shares the same Explorer as Data discs), but there has been no implementation.

As per the 480i quality, I have been using it with a VP50 without any real complaints.
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I'd like to know as well. I have a 970 and would get a 980 if it can do 1080i over component like the 970 can.



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The question for those of us who are still stuck with component input HDTVs, is there a possibility that a firmware hack will be available (and how soon) to do 1080i or 1080p via component.. I was more or less sold on the 970, but might as well wait for the 980 if the same capabilities are going to be there (ala 1080i via component) with the added features that the 980 provides..

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I notice the 980 does not have the card reader that the 970 has. This is unfortunate, since I like being able to plug my camera's memory card straight into the player and look at photos. Too bad! I don't notice any mention of this omission here.

You say the USB 2.0 port is still slow (jerky playback). Do you feel that is is really USB 2.0 (or more like USB 1.1 like the new Philips 1080p player)? Is it noticeably faster and smoother than the USB port on the 970?
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I notice the 980 does not have the card reader that the 970 has. This is unfortunate, since I like being able to plug my camera's memory card straight into the player and look at photos. Too bad! I don't notice any mention of this omission here.

The easiest solution would be to purchase a Card Reader. All you need is a cheap 5in1 interface. Those are like 10~15 dollars
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You say the USB 2.0 port is still slow (jerky playback). Do you feel that is is really USB 2.0 (or more like USB 1.1 like the new Philips 1080p player)? Is it noticeably faster and smoother than the USB port on the 970?

The USB interface is too slow for hi-bandwidth media like VOB files. For things like DivX and XviD, there is no problem with USB media playback.
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The easiest solution would be to purchase a Card Reader. All you need is a cheap 5in1 interface. Those are like 10~15 dollars

The USB interface is too slow for hi-bandwidth media like VOB files. For things like DivX and XviD, there is no problem with USB media playback.

I tried an uncompressed (I mean no additional compression) mpeg2 file extracted from a DVD. It played very well; maybe a slight hesitation now and then.

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Has anyone done a direct comparison with the speed of the 980 and 970 USB ports?

I'd like to know if it's worth the upgrade, since I just bought another 970, and Oppo does not refund shipping. Since my 970 is a refurb, it was only 120 + tax & shipping, so it would cost me $74 to upgrade (including shipping both ways). I don't use SACD or DVD-A yet. I don't play Divx files. I mostly watch DVDs (on a Panny ax100 - 720p projector) and look at pictures.
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The hesitation is too problematic to be considered flawless or usable to me.
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Do large jpg photos play faster/smoother?
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I'd like to know if it's worth the upgrade, since I just bought another 970, and Oppo does not refund shipping. Since my 970 is a refurb, it was only 120 + tax & shipping, so it would cost me $74 to upgrade (including shipping both ways). I don't use SACD or DVD-A yet. I don't play Divx files. I mostly watch DVDs (on a Panny ax100 - 720p projector) and look at pictures.

If you are going to be using the USB interface for video files, it is worth the extra cash to go with DV-980H. If you are going to use the USB interface sparsely, then keep the DV-970HD.

You should only consider the DV-980H if you are going to be using the USB interface constantly.
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Do large jpg photos play faster/smoother?

They load faster on the DV-980H.

Additionally, the DV-980H can do HD-JPEG, while the DV-970HD will do a downconversion to 640x480 then upconversion to your output resolution.
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Since I am interested in a DVD-Video only player (sorry Chris ), I emailed Oppo asking if the video performance of the 980 was comparable or better than the 970. This is their reply:

Tony,

The video portion of the DV-980HD is better than the DV-970HD due to enhanced processing for de-interlacing and scaling as well as 1080p video resolution support. Additionally, the DV-980H does not have the vertical compression error of the DV-970HD.

Best Regards,

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OPPO Digital, Inc.


Now I don't know whether to get the 980 or go with the Sony DVP-NS77H...
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I currently use a 981HD at 1080p with a Sharp 20000 1080p capable DLP pj displayed on a 100" screen, and I am plagued with macro-blocking artifacts. I tried a 970HD to avoid the Faroudja mb problem, but found that the 1080i output was not refined enough and decided to stick with the 981HD. My question is:

Is the scaling/deinterlacing process from 480>1080p on the 980 likely to be better (i.e. less or "easier" processing) than that of the 970HD? Can I be hopeful that the image might be a bit "smoother" than that of the 970HD, even if not as smooth as that of the 981HD?

Anyone?
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So I'm thinking of picking up this player, since it does 480i through HDMI. I am getting a new Preamp that has the HQV Reon chip, so should this do a better job, than letting the the OPPO do the scaling? Also how is the sound quality from CD's from the OPPO products?
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Yes, you will want to send this pre-amp a 480i signal and have it do all the video processing.
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Can someone explain what the vertical compression problem was with the 970?

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The DV-970HD had a compression error at the upscaled resolutions which caused additional bars to appear on the display. Depending on the design of the television, these bars were either non-existent, were very thin (several pixels) or up to half an inch.
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The audio section of the 980, with CDs, SACDs, or DVD-As is quite nice. I've found that the levels when switching between formats is rather consistent, something my former Pioneer universal player could not do. I'm very pleased, as I am the video quality, even as compared to the 970 it replaces. I haven't compared the video on a very large display though, and have no reason to send my displays a 1080p signal. Another first rate product from a company that truly wants people to be satisfied with their selection.
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I have a LG DN100H (with USB 2.0) and a JVC XV-D723GD for my DVD-A.
Is it work replacing them for the DV-980H?
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I would have jumped on this player but I only have a 1080i display unit. I would need to upgrade that before jumping on the player.

Anyone wants to buy my 42" LG Plasma? hehe
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Why would you need to upgrade your display...just because it can output 1080p? Mine is feeding a 1080i display, and I'm totally satisfied with the picture quality. It seems each person sees a different image, but experimenting with the picture on upconverting players is what it's all about. You may find that feeding your set a 480p signal may be the best solution, and others will try different settings.
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Why would you need to upgrade your display...just because it can output 1080p? Mine is feeding a 1080i display, and I'm totally satisfied with the picture quality. It seems each person sees a different image, but experimenting with the picture on upconverting players is what it's all about. You may find that feeding your set a 480p signal may be the best solution, and others will try different settings.

In order to fully utilize a 1080p upconverting capability/functionality of the player, the display would have to be able to handle that many pixels outputs, won't it?

right now, I have a 970HD and it max's at 1080i and that is the max limit of my LG display too. Are you saying if I use 1080p DV980 DVD player, it will output 1080p and my TV will display 1080p?
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I would have jumped on this player but I only have a 1080i display unit. I would need to upgrade that before jumping on the player.

Anyone wants to buy my 42" LG Plasma? hehe

42" plasma displays are usually 1024x768p native screen resolution. Whatever signal you send it, the TV scales it to that resolution. Even though it accepts 1920x1080i signals, the displayed image gets down-converted by the TV to 1024x768p.

So, even if your set could accept a 1920x1080p signal, you still wind up with 1024x768p maximum visible resolution anyway.
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