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Wasn't someone going to put up some pictures? =)
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Wasn't someone going to put up some pictures? =)

Perhaps a NDA prohibits further details concerning the 983H? You know I have always wondered how a company like Oppo would feel if a unannounced product is discussed at length before it's product release time? Rather a odd situation, perhaps even effecting sales of current models.

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Actually, I have an older unit, so I have not bothered taking pictures of it. OPPO has not confirmed if my unit design with be final (save for adding USB).
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Choices, choices, choices. If the DV-983H outputs 768p it may impact my choice of a new plasma. The Panasonic 10UK series (768x1366) allow 1:1 pixel mapping when the DVI card is used. My other option is the Pioneer 5080 that (as far as I know) does not allow 1:1 pixel mapping. I think I'd need to step up into the Elite line to get it. I watch mostly HDTV and (so far) standard DVDs. So, if the DV-983H outputs at 768p I can turn off all the display's video processing when watching movies if I buy the Panasonic equiped with the DVI card and use the DV-983H. Also, money matters and the Panasonic 10UK combined with the DV-983H would probably cost less than the Pioneer 5080 alone. One last thing, I probably would have purchased the DV-980H with the Pioneer 5080.

Is my logic correct? Anyone want to comment on the merits of my two choices?
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Since 768p isn't a standard resolution (there's 3 common resolutions with 768 horizontal lines), if Oppo did it, they probably output all 3.

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will the 983 support 480i as the 980? thx a lot
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It is planned, yes.
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Does it also support Divx? DivxHD? H264? USB?

Just wondering how complete this solution will be. It already had me thinking about replacing my 981HD.

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Same formats as the previous DVD players. It is using the same MTK solution. No HD, h.264 and other enhanced codec support.
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Anchor Bay has screen shots of mosquito noise reduction processing done by the VP50 pro... the improvement to the image looks really good.

http://www.anchorbaytech.com/support/faq/vp50pro.php

Can the chips used in the 983H incorporate mosquito noise reduction?
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The 983 sounds very similar to the $3200 (!) Arcam DV139, which I owned and sold. The Arcam is a very nice audio disk player, but considering there are few to no SACD and DVD-A releases I'm interested in these days, there are better ways to spend $3k...
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Does the 983 have component outs along with HDMI?
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yes but the component interface is not controlled by the ABT chipset.
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I plan to purchase the next Oppo player. if it could take just one external input source (probably 1080i) and scale it to 1080p, it would be worth another $200 to me, easily. Seems like a rather simple add-on.

I don't mean to harp on DVDO, but I do not understand the economics of their low-end scaler pricing. How expensive are the chips in their VP30 series? If Oppo can sell them in a DVD player for $300, does the DVDO model really have to cost $2,000? Couldn't there be a reduced-strength version for $500? Yes, I understand economics, both that it is more expensive to build small-volume model and that one charges whatever the market allows---but this seems a rather stark pricing model. $400 is in range for most low-end home theaters. $2,000 is not.

Q: does DVDO make the scaler/deinterlacer chip? I guess if it does, than it would not allow Oppo to add an input source.

is there a clear target release date? I only saw "couple o' months."

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I plan to purchase the next Oppo player. if it could take just one external input source (probably 1080i) and scale it to 1080p, it would be worth another $200 to me, easily. Seems like a rather simple add-on.

Someone (probably Neuromancer) made a comment regarding this that made a lot of sense to me. When a chip like this is employed in a DVD player, the incoming signal is guaranteed to have a very fixed set of parameters. When a chip like this is used in a standalone video scaler (or even a scaler built into a receiver or processor), you have a very different situation because the incoming signal can (and inevitably will) be anything: 480i from a VCR or basic cable broadcast, 480i from a DVD, 480p from a progressive scan DVD player, 720p or 1080i from an HD broadcast, and so forth. As a result, the act of adding a single HDMI video input for an external source opens up a very large can of worms even before you consider the extra wrinkle in HDCP handshaking (which certainly can be overcome but requires attention). And if you want an analog video input, you just required the presence of another bit of hardware to convert that analog video signal (component, s-video, or composite) to digital so that the video processing can be applied to it. Then there's audio signal management, which either needs to be omitted (thus placing the burden of getting that external source's audio to its final destination on the user) or needs to decide how to address possible stereo analog, coaxial/optical digital, or HDMI digital audio inputs and the associated player outputs.

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I think for $349 price, this model must be also a HD-DVD Player (Pic BBK/Oppo):

http://stor-age.zdnet.com.cn/stor-ag...7/495415.shtml
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I think for $349 price, this model must be also a HD-DVD Player

Well it should be.
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I plan to purchase the next Oppo player. if it could take just one external input source (probably 1080i) and scale it to 1080p, it would be worth another $200 to me, easily. Seems like a rather simple add-on.

I don't mean to harp on DVDO, but I do not understand the economics of their low-end scaler pricing. How expensive are the chips in their VP30 series? If Oppo can sell them in a DVD player for $300, does the DVDO model really have to cost $2,000? Couldn't there be a reduced-strength version for $500? Yes, I understand economics, both that it is more expensive to build small-volume model and that one charges whatever the market allows---but this seems a rather stark pricing model. $400 is in range for most low-end home theaters. $2,000 is not.

Q: does DVDO make the scaler/deinterlacer chip? I guess if it does, than it would not allow Oppo to add an input source.

is there a clear target release date? I only saw "couple o' months."

regards,

/iaw

The 983 is not going to be a full feature video processor with multiple video inputs (and audio inputs for pass-thru, I think), variable video timings, etc.

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I think for $349 price, this model must be also a HD-DVD Player (Pic BBK/Oppo):

http://stor-age.zdnet.com.cn/stor-ag...7/495415.shtml

A BBK version of the HD-A30? The identical Haier-branded player next to it does have an HD-DVD logo on it (and in a spot where the BBK player has a sticker on it), and they are both a spitting image of the A30, so it would seem to be an HD-DVD player...

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The one feature I'd love to see included on the 983, and to my knowledge no other player offers this, is the ability to take stereo and/or multichannel DSD and output it as stereo 88.2/24 or 96/24 LPCM over SPDIF and TOSlink. I know it can do this over HDMI, but for people who don't have HDMI receivers and don't plan on getting one anytime soon, this would be a great feature. Anyone agree or dissagree?

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S/PDIF hardware doesn't multi-channel PCM data rates (which has nothing to do with the interconnect medium). 96Khz 2ch works, not sure if 88.2Khz with 2ch would work or not - I don't see why not. I don't know if the protocol has certain rates spec'd or not.

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I think for $349 price, this model must be also a HD-DVD Player (Pic BBK/Oppo):

http://stor-age.zdnet.com.cn/stor-ag...7/495415.shtml

No. OPPO does not have any HD-DVD or Blu-Ray plans. I can guarantee this.

BBK is doing a CH-DVD which is a Chinese only HD DVD format designed with extra copyright protection. This is not designed for any other market.
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The one feature I'd love to see included on the 983, and to my knowledge no other player offers this, is the ability to take stereo and/or multichannel DSD and output it as stereo 88.2/24 or 96/24 LPCM over SPDIF and TOSlink.

DRM does not allow for SACD media to be distributed through optical or coaxial at all.
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yes but the component interface is not controlled by the ABT chipset.

Thanks. I would only use it to drive secondary zones 2 and 3 (non critical viewing). I will use HDMI to drive the main projector in the HT. Works for me.
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The one feature I'd love to see included on the 983, and to my knowledge no other player offers this, is the ability to take stereo and/or multichannel DSD and output it as stereo 88.2/24 or 96/24 LPCM over SPDIF and TOSlink. I know it can do this over HDMI, but for people who don't have HDMI receivers and don't plan on getting one anytime soon, this would be a great feature. Anyone agree or dissagree?

Agree! I'd love to use this player in my two-channel system, and output audio to my DAC (which accepts 24/96).
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I would love to see the USB 2.0 connector handle WAV or FLAC files. I would then plug in an external hard drive and use it as a media server.

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DRM does not allow for SACD media to be distributed through optical or coaxial at all.

Maybe Oppo can figure out some sort of "workaround" like they did with regional coding and HD-over-component? Sure'd be nice of 'em!

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Maybe Oppo can figure out some sort of "workaround" like they did with regional coding and HD-over-component? Sure'd be nice of 'em!

There's not a workaround to be had with SACD via optical/coaxial. The interface doesn't have the bandwidth to carry six channels of uncompressed digital data. Component connections have been carrying 720p and 1080i data for as long as HD content has been in the marketplace and region coding mods are almost as old as DVD players, but you simply can't push SACD or DVD-Audio across coax or optical. Probably the only method that would work and be understandable to any existing surround receiver would be to re-encode to Dolby Digital or DTS like some of the HD-DVD and Blu-ray players have been doing, and that means applying lossy compression to a lossless format...

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I think it is more of a hardware issue than it is a software issue.
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Optical/coaxial don't have the bandwidth to carry six channels of uncompressed digital data.

I know. But they do have the ability to pass stereo 96/24 LPCM. Both the 970 and 980 have no problem outputing 96/24 from either the unaltered stereo mix of a DVD-A or by downmixing the multichannel mix into stereo 96/24. All I am hoping for is for the 983 to be able to do this with SACD as well.

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