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Don't laugh before you read this thread. Even in the midst of DTHD, DTSHD Master Lossless and Uncompressed audio. DTS laserdiscs are still considered reference audio. I even read that Fox studios cancelled Ronin with DTSHD Master Lossless soundtracks on blu-ray. A highly collectible DTS laserdisc. List your favorite DTS laserdiscs!!! The soundtracks on True Lies, Lost in Space, Blade and Armageddon are mind blowing.

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OK. Since no one else seems to want to respond to this one I will list one disc that I remember sounding great from back in the day in DTS. Casper the friendly ghost.
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I agree Casper has great sound and is something to watch just for sound effects but the movie is average. Every DTS LD has great sound. DVD's cannot touch them.

As I've always said; LDs fans complained about the early digital tracks and eventually got soundtracks for videophiles with good sound systems. LD AC-3 is superior to DVD AC-3 and LD DTS is even better. DVD has sound that can be played on everything, 13 inch monitors to expensive system, sound dynamics had to be compressed and sample rate worse. DVD DTS sound tracks are better but not equal to LD.
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#1Apollo 13 THX dts six channel, laserdisc, top notch for analogue picture, and dynamic audio reproduction: that leaves the DVD still standing, on Pad 39A.

#2 Daylight THX dts six channel, laserdisc, top notch for analogue picture, and dynamic audio reproduction: the tunnel sequence my lord that feels like an earthquake, with all the air rushing outwards to the nearest outing.

#3Goldeneye THX dts six channel, laserdisc, top notch for analogue picture, and dynamic audio reproduction: the whole film is perfect, 007 Bond, side 3 with the antenna dish exploding, yes I am invincible.

4# True Lies dts six channel, laserdisc, top notch for analogue picture, and dynamic audio reproduction: the bridge sequence side 3 a full head on full of explosions, and one f%^%ed up bridge!

5# Last Man Standing dts six channel, laserdisc, top notch for analogue picture, and dynamic audio reproduction: Bruce leaves no one standing by the end of side 2 weaponry gunfire feels like cannon bursts, than pistols.

6# Die Hard with a vengeance dts six channel, laserdisc, top notch for analogue picture, and dynamic audio reproduction: good ole uncle Bruce knows when he can sniff out trouble and this one is packed to the full with trucks full of gold bullion heading out of New York, can John save the day, of coarse he can, he'll just drive the truck up, Simons a$$.

7# Crimson Tide THX dts six channel, laserdisc, top notch for analogue picture, and dynamic audio reproduction: all hands below, dive-dive-dive, into a full high octave of underwater action, side 2 is a good sound test bench even with (centre back surround) torpedoes pass from fronts over to the split-surrounds and down the sides and overheard, LFE.1 shudders the room when this track is called for.

8# The Lost World: Jurassic Park THX dts six channel, laserdisc, top notch for analogue picture, and dynamic audio reproduction: oh then there's running and screaming yeah the footfalls sound more like (aftershocks) in this home cinema a neat dts mix, but a naff squeal.

9# Born on the Forth of July dts six channel, laserdisc, top notch for analogue picture, and dynamic audio reproduction: based on the true story of Vietnam war veteran, Ron Kovic comes a wonderful story of how one man finds himself at the end of the journey, the war sequences is a well crafted mix, that original was intended for 70mm six-track Dolby stereo SR, the last moments when Ron, desperately fighting for his life takes a nasty shot to the chest where LFE.1 at the same time, hits you!

10# Tomorrow Never Dies dts six channel, laserdisc, top notch for analogue picture, and dynamic audio reproduction: Pierce Brosnan was the best 007 James Bond to get the part, and in this episode where a ruthless, media tycoon wants to invent war between China and the United Kingdom, just so he can get televised rights to broadcast in China, well Bond will see that with more gadgets and a BMW car that doesn't last 5 minutes before sending over the rooftops, and into a car rental shop window!

11# Carlito's Way dts six channel, laserdisc, top notch for analogue picture, and dynamic audio reproduction: Carlito Brigate is out of the joint and back into business on the streets, only this time his going straight that is until is dodgy crocked lawyer, David Kleinfeld, gets him mixed up a matter that will end violently in the underground subway station, the shootout on side 3 has some nice recoil action that pumps round after round with effortless ease, with dts six channel.
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Dark City is another good one which I also have. Ransom is another I've always wanted but just to pricey on ebay for me. While talking laserdisc the import Star Wars Episode I with AC3 still rocks in my book, as does Saving Private Ryan over the DTS dvd IMHO.
Keep spinning those big discs everyone!
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Yeah DTS laserdiscs were/are the way to go if you still have the equipment around to do the job...most of us old timers have sold it all off. I still have a pioneer laser player, seperate demodulator (remember those) and two big stacks of laserdiscs...not hooked up of course...and if you remember dts laserdiscs, not dts but one of the all time best laserdisc soundtracks was the star war's (with the young vader) japan edition in dolby ex when that first came out..remember those days!

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Hello All,

Anyone have the DTS lazer disc "DARK CITY?" This will complete my DTS collection.

Hiya Donald,

You are after the same title as myself to complete my DTS Laserdisc collection.

I hope you get hold of one soon, and in mint condition!

If you and me bid on ebay for this title, just remember and send me an email at the time, I shall let you win friend and I shall have the next one that comes up.

I have the AC-3 US and Japanese versions, but would love to own this title on DTS. I have noticed that on average you tend to see this for sale about twice a year, and I look forward to when they release this title on blu-Ray or HD dvd, then you should see more of these come up for sale.

All the best and kind regards

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It's true. DTS laserdiscs (like some video titles as well) are lossless "reference quality" audio tracks. Theres alot of real estate on those platters. Most folks never actuallized the full audio and video resolution laserdiscs offered. It was kinda like playing a 2" twenty-four track master session through a pair o desktop computer speakers. It will sound great (especially if your output card adds some degree of compression), but will lack the luster of you'd receive from full-dynamic range studio monitors.

Laserdisc was asking the average folks (whom, for the most part, had already given up vinyl for the sake of compact fashion) to go through the pain of flipping/changing discs only to receive NTSC resolution and hi-fi (maybe quadraphonic) audio.

Kinda makes you want to score some old discs on Ebay to burn to HDDVD DTS 6:1
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Since you guys are talking Laser Disc can someone expain to get best possible video quality output?

My player is JVC business model but it only has composite out BUT it does have a 32 pin female terminal which I think is an output.

So far I haven't been able to find anything at JVC website and I never had the user's manual so I was wondering if this computer type connection might transport a higher quality image/signal as an output - any suggestions much appreciated.
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I am only 20, and all my laserdisc experiance has been fairly utilitarian and in my distant childhood- My experiances stem from A 27inch Trinatron connected via Coax to a Pioneer Deck for the purposes of watching Star Wars.

When people say LD sound was better than DVD sound they are talking about 16bit 44khz Pcm 2.0 right?

Cause I have no Idea how 384kliobit Dolby would be superior if inferior to 448 kilobit Dolby. I can Imagine that DTS at 1.5 mpbs over 750kilobits but DVD's have both flavors.

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The terminal is for data connection. IF it includes the video signal information that signal will not be any better than the composite output.

BTW - DTS tracks on laserdisc are NOT lossless. They are encoded at bitrates higher than the DTS tracks on most DVDs. But the only lossless DTS (and Dolby Digital) tracks available on consumer products are through the two HD DVD formats.

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The DTS Jurassic Park LD was always my favorite.

I remember when I got the DVD how much the audio lacked compared to the LD.
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No love for Titanic DTS here? Top notch sound track indeed. Ever compared it to Titanic SD-DVD? I have, the LD audio is truly remarkable compared to the SD-DVD.
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Titanic is a good one, also Ronin(one of my favorites), ID4, Con-Air, X-Files the Movie and so on.....
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I am only 20, and all my laserdisc experiance has been fairly utilitarian and in my distant childhood- My experiances stem from A 27inch Trinatron connected via Coax to a Pioneer Deck for the purposes of watching Star Wars.

When people say LD sound was better than DVD sound they are talking about 16bit 44khz Pcm 2.0 right?

Cause I have no Idea how 384kliobit Dolby would be superior if inferior to 448 kilobit Dolby. I can Imagine that DTS at 1.5 mpbs over 750kilobits but DVD's have both flavors.

Dynamic range is a big reason. LD are Videophile fans that flooded studios with requests to demand full dynamic range sound in the personal theaters. DVD is aimed at the average comsumer watching in car, on a TV speaker to home theater. Many LD/DVD comparisons have been made and I've never heard of a LD sound track that lost.
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Dynamic range is a big reason. LD are Videophile fans that flooded studios with requests to demand full dynamic range sound in the personal theaters. DVD is aimed at the average comsumer watching in car, on a TV speaker to home theater. Many LD/DVD comparisons have been made and I've never heard of a LD sound track that lost.



Absolutely true.
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Apollo 13, 12 Monkeys, Titanic, Frighteners and Goldeneye where my favorites.
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Does anybody have Rob Roy?

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Apollo 13, Casino, Dante's Peak and Volcano.

Titanic and Toy Story sound great too, but their DVD counterparts are quite good as well.
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I have Rob Roy and all the rest of the 112 listed by the old DTS website. I'm sure their are others here who also have all of them. Plus their were DTS lasers from Japan which I don't have. Would like to have Ransom but not willing to spend the big bucks for it.
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Dvd soundtracks seem to have all the dynamic range of their theatrical counterparts.
Tons of dvd's use 5.1 tracks from their LD releases. Halloween H20, Scream, Zombie, Goldeneye, and such. Are you sure these Quality differences may not stem from DVD and LD having different default volumes?

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DTS on DVD (at full bitrate) is actually encoded at a higher rate than on LD - on LD DTS is encoded at 1.2 mbps (NOT 1.4 as Widescreen Review so incorrectly reported over and over when they knew better). The first DTS DVD's (at 1.5mbps) were basically exact matches to their LD counterparts - in later cases, different masters were used - for example, the reason the DTS LD of Jurassic Park sounds so good is because it is the original theatrical mix, which the DVD's are NOT - not even the 'corrected' DTS DVD. The LD's have incorrect surround levels though - well, the vast majority of the first DTS LD's do, like the first year or two's output. The surrounds are +3db too high...

I like the mixes produced in the past better - like the original DVD of T2 - it sounds much, much better than the "EX/ES" Dolby/DTS mixes used for the Ultimate/Extreme DVD's. The first T2 DVD used the original theatrical mix that was made for the Cinema Digital Sound system and is just awsome - the 'new' mixes are not nearly as good, nor do they have the slam and dynamic range of the original.

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umm. T2 came out in '91 so the Live entertainment dvd's AC3 track can't be the original theatrical soundtrack.

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umm. T2 came out in '91 so the Live entertainment dvd's AC3 track can't be the original theatrical soundtrack.

Ummm, yes it can - the master used for the CDS prints was used for the original T2 DVD's AC-3 soundtrack.

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Ummm, yes it can - the master used for the CDS prints was used for the original T2 DVD's AC-3 soundtrack.

As seen on the end credits it was distributed in 35mm optical Dolby stereo SR type 70mm six-track Dolby stereo SR magnetic and in CDS (cinema digital sound) where available. Due to certain prints turning up at the wrong cinema often, it wasn’t too long before it was unfavourable with projectionists; one was backward capabilities which saw the end of this format within a few years.

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As seen on the end credits it was distributed in 35mm optical Dolby stereo SR type 70mm six-track Dolby stereo SR magnetic and in CDS (cinema digital sound) where available. Due to certain prints turning up at the wrong cinema often, it wasn't too long before it was unfavourable with projectionists; one was backward capabilities which saw the end of this format within a few years.


And Dolby effectively killed CDS too by announcing SR-D about 18 months before they had anything to show. Except for the problem of no analog backup (theaters receiving wrong prints), CDS was achieving stability - but the announcement from Dolby killed it dead, pretty much over night.

In terms of sound quality, CDS was probably the best sounding of the digital systems for theaters. I wish their demo film was on video - I'd like to have a copy of it - and CDS had the best logo - I loved how it formed C-D-S.

Anyone remember Strong Ballantynes (SP?) LDS - Laser Digital Sound? It used a 12-inch LD synched to the film - 3 hours per side of 44.1k/16-bit audio, no compression. They offered it for a while but never got a single taker besides some 'demo reels' of stuff like Universal Soldier and Total Recall.

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****, maybe I should ebay up a Pioneer CLD-99, anyone have an RF demodulador sitting around?

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Ive been somewhat looking for a LD player as I never had one, but I always wanted one back in the day. Ive seen quite a few Pio's on E*** and I know they still make one (DVL-919). Ive seen a couple Elite's for sale like the CLD-79; is that a good one? Any others to keep an eye out for?

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I don't think the DVL-919 has been available from Pioneer for years, even though they still list it in their catalogs - even in Japan, where LD was much more successful, LD players are no longer made in any form.

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And Dolby effectively killed CDS too by announcing SR-D about 18 months before they had anything to show. Except for the problem of no analog backup (theaters receiving wrong prints), CDS was achieving stability - but the announcement from Dolby killed it dead, pretty much over night.

In terms of sound quality, CDS was probably the best sounding of the digital systems for theaters. I wish their demo film was on video - I'd like to have a copy of it - and CDS had the best logo - I loved how it formed C-D-S.

Anyone remember Strong Ballantynes (SP?) LDS - Laser Digital Sound? It used a 12-inch LD synched to the film - 3 hours per side of 44.1k/16-bit audio, no compression. They offered it for a while but never got a single taker besides some 'demo reels' of stuff like Universal Soldier and Total Recall.

There is no hint of it on Youtube under the (easiest of keywords) yes a bit of shame, for Kodak.
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