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Really?!? You are the only person I have ever heard make that claim. I'm running the latest version of Chrome on the latest version of Windows 8 with the latest version of Silverlight and it cannot do better that 3000 Kbps 720p in Netflix and never has been able to.
Yeah your right Michael, sorry, I have a full test log of these browsers posted here in this thread (a long time ago), but my brain was remembering 5800 on all the browsers. I just re-did the test and only IE11 and the Netflix App are hitting 5800. Is that thanks to HTML5?

Looks like that guy updated his tests as well to reflect the 5800 streams (using a Roku). He was using his browser on his Mac for his initial tests and that also limits 3000 kbps.
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I just re-did the test and only IE11 and the Netflix App are hitting 5800. Is that thanks to HTML5?

I don't know why they don't do 1080p in Silverlight, but other web players running in arbitrary browsers can do 1080p; you can play VUDU HDX video in Chrome. The HTML5 player does use much less CPU than the Silverlight player.

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I don't know why they don't do 1080p in Silverlight, but other web players running in arbitrary browsers can do 1080p; you can play VUDU HDX video in Chrome. The HTML5 player does use much less CPU than the Silverlight player.
Lol, I just had a thought if your interested in knowing. I can go back into my netflix settings, turning off the "Prefer HTML5" and putting it back on Silverlight (I think). Then I can re-do the test to see if IE11 still gets 5800 or not.

Heck I will do it now. I'm just too curious now not to. lol

EDIT: Just discovered my settings were set to Auto, and I know for fact earlier in the year I set it to High. Hmm, ok well it seems like IE11 now loads slower with Silverlight installed, even when I am using HTML5 as preferable. It was going from one resolution to the other much quicker before installing Silverlight. Now it takes its time getting back up to 5800. Silverlight is limited to 3000 on IE11 as well and seems to be much slower to ramp up to it. Unless it has something to do with the Short video. Damn, I should have tried a normal TV series video instead, lol.

Going to try the Unified Remote again too. Would love for it to control Netflix...

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I loath IE. I still don't understand why Firefox and Chrome can't support the HTML5 player. Even Safari on the mac supports HTML5.

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Yeah I don't understand it either. However in full screen watching a TV show or movie, there is nothing to loath. Only gorgeous video quality.

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I loath IE. I still don't understand why Firefox and Chrome can't support the HTML5 player. Even Safari on the mac supports HTML5.

The weirdest thing about Chrome not supporting it is that the first platform to run the HTML5 player was Chromebook .

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I just signed up for 6mbps DSL with AT&T( it's not installed yet). Should I expect to get the highest quality available at that speed?

Depending on how far you are from the neighborhood V rad you should be able to get the 5800 kbps 1080p super HD Netflix stream with that or for sure the 4800kps standard 1080p feed if you can sustain those connection speeds ask the tech how far the Vrad is when he comes out anything within 1500 -2000 ft is prim o (less copper POTS line between you and the Vrad the better) .

Re tubetwister

6mbps U verse usually runs a little over 7 mbps so that leaves room for some net overhead or someone in the house net surfing while you are streaming video porn ,You Tube or watching Netflix HD . Also Netflix is VBR (dynamic variable bit rate ) so it is not always using the full 5800kbps /4800kbps all the time you should be fine .
michaelscott is the resident Netflix expert here btw .

You can only get Netflix 1080p on a windows 8.1 PC ruining IE 11 win 7 > tops out at 720p.
ofc any other supported device such as a Roku, APTV , WiFi or Ethernet BD player,game console or smart TV that isn't to old or obscure will work .

Standard 1080p /4800kbps looks fine on Netflix also also hard to tell the difference most of the time actually (just a little less artifact that's about it ) you should be fine . I had a 6mps ATT profile recently upgraded to 18mbps super HD worked fine on 6mbps now at 18mbps I can just do it with more sets at the same time or PS3 game that's all ☺☺

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The weirdest thing about Chrome not supporting it is that the first platform to run the HTML5 player was Chromebook .
It has something to do with Netflix and Microsoft teaming up together to get it working. I'm sure if Netflix had chosen Chrome or Firefox to be its HTML5 guinea pig, they would have. However, since IE11 is already installed on the newer OS's, it makes sense to start with IE. I have not used IE since I don't remember how long, maybe ever since the very first browser to compete with it came along, Netscape Navigator or something like that, lol. Since I am only using it for this one purpose I really do not care if it is crap. In fact, from my tests its quite possibly the fastest browser I have ever experienced.

I think it just sucks now because of its name and who builds it... It definitely works much better then IE1-IE10, LOL.
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latest IE is pretty fast (loading ) but not as stable as chrome all in all and slower at fetching uncasche pages and page reliability is not as good as Chrome not to say it is unusable but I find Chrome more useable overall .
IE 11 is a ton better than it's predecessors though !

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6mbps U verse usually runs a little over 7 mbps so that leaves room for some net overhead or someone in the house net surfing while you are streaming video porn ,You Tube or watching Netflix HD . Also Netflix is VBR (dynamic variable bit rate ) so it is not always using the full 5800kbps /4800kbps all the time you should be fine .
michaelscott is the resident Netflix expert here btw .

You can only get Netflix 1080p on a windows 8.1 PC ruining IE 11 win 7 > tops out at 720p. I think MAC are out of luck and likewise get only 720p
ofc any other supported device such as a Roku, APTV , WiFi or Ethernet BD player,game console or smart TV that isn't to old or obscure will work .

Standard 1080p /4800kbps looks fine on Netflix also also hard to tell the difference most of the time actually (just a little less artifact that's about it ) you should be fine . I had a 6mps ATT profile recently upgraded to 18mbps super HD worked fine on 6mbps now at 18mbps I can just do it with more sets at the same time or PS3 game that's all ☺☺
Trying to sort this out a bit.

Netflix 5800 kbps video also needs 192/384 kbps audio (most playback devices/Apple TV). The 10 minute averages really don't change much from title to title - typically in the 6.5 - 7 Mbps range.

With a nominal 6 Mbps (even if it really runs at 7 Mbps) I doubt you'll get the 5800 kbps stream and maybe not the 4300 kbps stream. However it should get the 3850 kbps stream if the connection is performing well. (5800/4300 kbps is what Netflix used to promote as Super HD. 3850/4300/5800 kbps are all 1080P - just with different streaming and quality rates).

The other thing to note is that AT&T Uverse didn't do very well in either recent Netflix rankings or the recent FCC Measuring Broadband report http://www.fcc.gov/reports/measuring...a-2014#Chart17
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Trying to sort this out a bit.

Netflix 5800 kbps video also needs 192/384 kbps audio (most playback devices/Apple TV). The 10 minute averages really don't change much from title to title - typically in the 6.5 - 7 Mbps range.

With a nominal 6 Mbps (even if it really runs at 7 Mbps) I doubt you'll get the 5800 kbps stream and maybe not the 4300 kbps stream. However it should get the 3850 kbps stream if the connection is performing well. (5800/4300 kbps is what Netflix used to promote as Super HD. 3850/4300/5800 kbps are all 1080P - just with different streaming and quality rates).

The other thing to note is that AT&T Uverse didn't do very well in either recent Netflix rankings or the recent FCC Measuring Broadband report http://www.fcc.gov/reports/measuring...a-2014#Chart17
You can bet all you just don't bet money you will loose you can look at charts on web all day or whatever but betting or whatever proves nothing I saw it all the time on my PS 3 and in my router logs do you even know what dynamic VBR (variable bit rate) or look ahead buffering is or anything about mpeg compression at all it doesn't sound like it .

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you can bet all you want but betting proves nothing
What are we betting on?
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What are we betting on?
well since you haven't proven anything I guess nothing

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well since you haven't proven anything I guess nothing
K -I guess you disagree with something I posted.

However I am not sure what?

Let me know - if I am wrong I'll fix it....

Edit - it looks like you are editing your posts above. I have no idea why you started talking about betting - it is a subject I have absolutely no interest in.

Yes I know what the the typical download bit stream looks like and have a pretty good understanding of what the various video compression algorithms can do.

See attached for Thor and Arrow 10 minute averages - both averaging around 7 Mbps over 10 minutes for a 5800 kpbs stream on Netflix to an Apple Tv
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I just signed up for 6mbps DSL with AT&T( it's not installed yet). Should I expect to get the highest quality available at that speed?

Depending on how far you are from the neighborhood V rad you should be able to get the 5800 kbps 1080p super HD Netflix stream with that or for sure the 4800kps standard 1080p feed...
Just a nit--the non-Super 1080p encode is 3850 Kbps. When they first started using the eyeIO encoder they exchanged the 3600 Kbps 720p encode for 3000 Kbps 720p and the 4800 Kbps 1080p encode for 3850 Kbps 1080p. Then they added the two "Super HD" encodes, 1080p at 4300- and 5800 Kbps.
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Just a nit--the non-Super 1080p encode is 3850 Kbps. When they first started using the eyeIO encoder they exchanged the 3600 Kbps 720p encode for 3000 Kbps 720p and the 4800 Kbps 1080p encode for 3850 Kbps 1080p. Then they added the two "Super HD" encodes, 1080p at 4300- and 5800 Kbps.
Which is the point I was trying to make - maybe not as subtly as you.

On a 6 Mbps U-Verse connection (if its working well) my guess is someone should get either the 4300 or 3850 kbps 1080P Netflix streams.

tubetwister if you have logs showing you are getting the higher 5800 kbps stream - all power to you and congrats
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Sorry mate I'm not editing anything above I just stated I recieved 5800K Super HD bit streams routinely from Netflix on my PS3 and Roku on a 6mbps Att connection I saw it on the PS3 data steam and through the router and on the Netflix
super HD flags .


The Thor chart doe sent prove anything other than the performance at that 7 min interval .

EDIT I read the Thor chart wrong it looks like an average 7 kbps stream with no probs. that coincidentally further proves my point that even allowing for net overhead a reliable 7.65 + ip connection under favorable conditions *to the isp and source *can stream *a ~ 5800 - 5900 kbps VBR steam with net overhead resulting in approx 7 - 7.2 kbps.

Additionally I believe the 5800K Netflix bit steams include audio EDIT I since found out that is incorrect audio is carried separately see below I think I also mentioned early on with VBR the stream is not always a constant bit rate either so I don't see what you add useful to the discussion beyond trying to prove a point when you may not know all the variable and specific conditions .


Admittedly I'm within 1000 ft of the FTTN Vrad and otherwise close to the Netflix and ATT servers so my 6 mbps connection performance may not have been indicative of every other 6mbps U verse connection under less favorable conditions.

Unfortunately as I stated earlier my connection is now 18 Mbps that frequently runs at 20 Mbps or a little above that
otherwise I would be able to post a screenshot of a 5800 kbps Netflix stream on a 6 Mbps profile .
ofc the ip infrastructure in the area on the head end is pretty robust here also


That's about all I can concede there and it does not change the facts as they happened . ofc unless you can prove otherwise the charts you just posted don't and may indicate other problems .

EDIT :I forgot to add also my 6 Mbps connection routinely ran closer to 8 Mbps ,in the very high sevens usually
sometime low 8's perhaps due to my proximity to the Vrad or geographical location . I belive I stated that earlier above in another posting. No I don't retain connection logs especially on a service profile I no longer have.

EDIT : In all fairness if my connection were brick walled at 6 mbps I may have never seen a reliable 5800kbps stream
but it always ran closer to 8 mbps (usually very high 7's as stated earlier ) so that may account for my results
In any event the OP should gt at least one of 2 super HD encodes now that michaelscott provided the current Netlix bit rates

I think most would agree a reliable 7.65 +Mbps ip connection close to the Netfix and isp servers receiving a 5800kbps VBR stream is not a stretch of the imagination even allowing for net overhead.

Yes ATT scores in the lower percentile overall everybody knows that so does the entire nation overall !

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Just a nit--the non-Super 1080p encode is 3850 Kbps. When they first started using the eyeIO encoder they exchanged the 3600 Kbps 720p encode for 3000 Kbps 720p and the 4800 Kbps 1080p encode for 3850 Kbps 1080p. Then they added the two "Super HD" encodes, 1080p at 4300- and 5800 Kbps.

Thanks for pointing that out ........ that's the second thing I've learned from you today ha ha keep up the good work
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PS I will save that for future reference thanks !

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Additionally I believe the 5800K Netflix bit steams include audio I've never seen anything to contradict that
perhaps you know of a link ?

I got one for you--from this Netflix blog entry:
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The "Best" setting will use any of the video/audio rates available. Our highest quality files are 4800 kbps (for 1080p HD video) and 384 kbps audio (for 5.1 audio). 30 hours of this highest quality streaming would be less than 67 GBytes. However, only a selection of movies and TV shows are available at these rates, and in many cases, the effective video/audio upper limit for non-HD content is 2200 kbps/192 kbps. At that rate, 30 hours of streaming is less than 31 GBytes.

This is obviously old; as I said before, 4800 Kbps is now 3850 Kbps and the highest bit rate video is now 5800 Kbps "Super HD". DD+ audio is now encoded at 192 Kbps and stereo audio at 96 Kbps (64 Kbps for PC players). So, the highest bit rate stream (not counting 3D and 4K) will be 5800 Kbps video + 192 Kbps DD+ 5.1 audio = 5992 Kbps. Typically you need 20% headroom to reliably keep ahead of the stream, so about 7.2 Mbps. As you say, 6 Mbps service might have "turbo boost", giving people 7 Mbps or better when conditions on their network segment aren't bad. Even in flat 6 Mbps available bandwidth, you might dip in and out of the 5800 Kbps video encode. Since it is variable rate, if you're watching something with no or few complex heavy motion scenes, you might stay in Super HD, since it won't very often hit 5992 Kbps.

The audio is stored separately from the video and streamed in dynamically interleaved chunks; this allows it to be switched at will, from stereo to 5.1 to Spanish to Portuguese to French to English, etc (if available).

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Fair enough and as usual very informative now you taught me something else good thing because I'm obviously not up to snuff the current
Netflix bit rates . IIRC they never mentioned much about 5.1/7.1 audio needing an extra 192kbps on the consumer page but then again their recommendations were never probably meant to be precise as they can not account for all the variables and 192 kbs vbr or interleaved data is no big deal as broadband goes anyway .

At least I learned some more cool! that's the cool thing about AVS. I just know what my results were . Admittedly it always seemed like it took forever and a day (a good while sometimes) to ramp up but usually with but a few exceptions it stayed there ofc now it ramps up much much faster .

I just got a little bent when someone comes in and says I didn't see something I did see on numerous occasions and even when I stated to begin with my connection was never brick walled at 6 mbps and all the other local conditions were
very favorable which I also mentioned to the poster I was replying to . I guess some people just want to prove a point even if it is wrong in this case .

Again thanks for all the useful information as usual ofc I'm keeping it for reference so I don't dig a hole for myself (at least about that anyway ) in future discussions
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Just speed tested my 18 mbps ATT U verse briefly it was hitting 21.34 mbps it usually hangs out at 20-21 ofc I'm close to the ISP servers and the FTTN Vrad also . ( just being close to the Vrad can make a significant difference ) Don't tell them those thieves might want to charge me for the extra bandwidth
its close enough to the Comcast 25mbps plan and a little cheaper without the issues that can arise locally with peak usage been there with them and it can be a problem or used to be anyway and as bad as ATT customer service *can be * it's still considerably better than Comcast and never goes down beyond a few minutes very occasional whereas Comcast would frequently go down for half a day or more maybe they are better since 2010 or maybe it was a local infrastructure thing. .

Maybe ATT put some overhead in so customers further from the FTTN Vrad ( longer copper POTS lines to the FTTN Vrad to meet minimum specifications in the Vrad service area and ofc they have the TV and VOIP service also . I'm internet only and Dish for TV ( heard ATT UVerse TV isn't so hot ) and ofc Netflix and Amazon prime for Roku's and PS 3 here .

I have to say say lately I think ATT has been behaving no throttling here it seems .
Netflix and Amazon prime works better than they ever did even on a Friday/SAT night . I can imagine that is possible with Netflix and Amazon now with ATT trying to buy Dish and all and (no monkey business ) they probably want to avoid any controversy that might raise an eyebrow with the federal regulators .

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Well to be fair at 4am I would think you would be presented with the least amount of congestion as well. I know at very early times of the day and very late evenings I do not need my VPN.

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Well to be fair at 4am I would think you would be presented with the least amount of congestion as well. I know at very early times of the day and very late evenings I do not need my VPN.

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That's true and all it usually hangs out more like 20 something than 21.34 almost never gets below that maybe 19.97 when the net is hammered and bloody maybe its the location and all and proximity to the FTTN VRAD .

FWIW ATT tech said the signal was so strong this close to the VRAD he put an attenuator on the line at the wall Jack whatever that does ? probably just a low pass or high pass filter I'm thinking it's not the usual DSL filters they used to have if you had POTS line telco service on the same line .

Gotta remember I'm not far from silly conn valley where
Netflix and ATT are not to mention some major beefy redundant ip infrastructure that stuffs is all over between there the Pacific ,SF,Sacramento(thus here ) LA ,Seattle.

Huge fiber cables here in the riverbed at the bottom the ship Chanel they just laid down some more recently I saw them do it !

Short of DC ,Virginia and NSA in Utah and wherever. west coast is maybe the the other epicenter or more likely it's the other way around ?
No need for a VPN here at least for my uses the most intensive of which would be Netflix or PS3 Gaming .The local FTTN infrastructure is just a year old also .

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It's almost 9P EDT here and Netflix is working great as has been usual lately here with FiOS. SuperHD within 30 seconds and it's been there for the last 15 minutes.
On the same day at 10pm PDT (1am EDT) I watched Cheers, an SD series, and the highest I got was 384SD, could not even get to 480SD.

This started 3 weeks ago. Topanga is part Los Angeles county and I have 50M Fios. Looks like I need to move.

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On the same day at 10pm PDT (1am EDT) I watched Cheers, an SD series, and the highest I got was 384SD, could not even get to 480SD.

This started 3 weeks ago. Topanga is part Los Angeles county and I have 50M Fios. Looks like I need to move.
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Or switch isp services ☺

could be a Netflix thing on that Netflix feed ?

Or at maybe Fios took a page out of Comcast's playbook and are throttling the content provider

Could be the load balancing (or something ) went haywire somewhere along the line between the content provider and
Fios or if it's the web in general it could be a hopefully temporary local thing also or it could also be the bay area in no CAL is hogging the internet after all we do own it and all

Just tested 21.14 mbps on my 18mbps ATT U Verse FTTN connection here @ 13:15 hrs today

Problem with docsis 3.0 and maybe FTTP Fios ( I'm assuming that what you have fiber into copper at the home ) may be like Comcast is that local conditions *can choke at peak high local usage* and average throughput is nowhere near the 50mbps plan ceiling but only the occasional peak even under the best of conditions you would be would be hard pressed to maintain much over ~20 maybe 25 mbps if that of average throughput on a 50mbps plan ceiling . Been there with Comcast docsis 3.0. (*If Fios it works similar to Comcast*) if not then everything I just said *may *not apply * Maybe someone here would know ? With Comcast and *maybe * Fios the words "up to xx mbps" really may apply
maybe they just left out the occasional peak language ☺☺ .ofc local conditions vary as will avg throughput results .

No such limitations exist AFAIK with UVerse FTTN or FTTN like Comcast or *maybe Fios FTTH * although the peak throughput is generally lower on some plans but the average throughput is usually consistently close to or above the plan ceiling * under good conditions 24/7 .

24mpbs U verse * may actually provide similar or better average throughput * than Fios or Comcast 50mbps service *in good conditions* ofc Comcast *and maybe Fios *won't tell you that.

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I always got my speed with TWC, but with UVerse it varies. Sometimes higher (because of the overprovisioning they do for TV bandwidth), but at prime times could be lower. Neither affect what you actually get heading to Netflix where everyone else is going. It's like comparing your car's theoretical speed on a back road vs. taking the most popular highway.
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I always got my speed with TWC, but with UVerse it varies. Sometimes higher (because of the overprovisioning they do for TV bandwidth), but at prime times could be lower. Neither affect what you actually get heading to Netflix where everyone else is going. It's like comparing your car's theoretical speed on a back road vs. taking the most popular highway.
I had just the opposite experience with Comcast could have been a local thing but it was few years ago also.

U verse rarley ( I wouldent say never ) gets lower than about 1 -1.5 mpbs above the plan ceiling here but then I'm close to the FTTN VRAD
and the FTTN infrastructure hear is about 1 yr old and I'm close to San Jose also ( ~60mi)

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I just got a little bent when someone comes in and says I didn't see something I did see on numerous occasions and even when I stated to begin with my connection was never brick walled at 6 mbps and all the other local conditions were
very favorable which I also mentioned to the poster I was replying to . I guess some people just want to prove a point even if it is wrong in this case .
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tubetwister if you have logs showing you are getting the higher 5800 kbps stream - all power to you and congrats
I have no axe to grind in this. If you were getting 5800 kbps on a nominal 6 Mbps (which was testing 7 - 8 Mbps) connection that is is great. I shared an opinion you corrected me - not a big deal.

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Just a nit--the non-Super 1080p encode is 3850 Kbps. When they first started using the eyeIO encoder they exchanged the 3600 Kbps 720p encode for 3000 Kbps 720p and the 4800 Kbps 1080p encode for 3850 Kbps 1080p. Then they added the two "Super HD" encodes, 1080p at 4300- and 5800 Kbps.
This was the point I was trying (maybe clumsily) to make. Your original post had a mixture of the old pre-eyeIO rates (4800 kpbs) and the new rates (5800bps). I was trying to highlight that the new 1080P bit rates were actually 3850/4300/5800 kbps.

Anyway not a big deal and time to move on....
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See attached for Thor and Arrow 10 minute averages - both averaging around 7 Mbps over 10 minutes for a 5800 kpbs stream on Netflix to an Apple Tv
I can achieve that during the day but come evening the bandwidth shows just a solid horizontal line that drops up and down a bit. The ATV3 then has the annoying habit of dropping down to 480p which is very annoying. The Roku 3 also shows the same solid horizontal line that drops up and down then around half way it shows the bandwidth more in packets bit but it usually most of the time stays in HD.

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