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Brian Conrad's Avatar Brian Conrad 02:16 PM 08-07-2014
The only problem I noted with Netflix running entirely in SuperHD is that dark scenes were a little grainy. Not an unknown problem to folks who have done encoding. Most likely the encoder raised the gamma level on those scenes which will produce grainy artifacts. At a higher bitrate that wouldn't have been necessary (as I observed with the HDX encodes of Continuum on VUDU).

gadgtfreek's Avatar gadgtfreek 02:18 PM 08-07-2014
Glad to hear it. Ive been running like crazy at work and havent been able to check The Killings new season.
Keenan's Avatar Keenan 02:33 PM 08-07-2014
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Vizio has stated that the P-Series is coming in "Fall". (That page is best viewed in Chrome with the browser blown up full screen; it has an extremely cool little animated demo of local dimming (Mr. Peabody and Sherman clip)). They said that the M-Series was coming in "Summer" and gradually released models for a couple of months before making the official "M-Series is here!" announcement on June 10th, 10 days before the solstice. Based on that I'd expect the first P-Series models to hit any time now, it being a little over six weeks until the equinox. No date has been given for release of the Reference Series, just "soon". I doubt that you'll see the Reference Series in Walmart.
I checked the Farmer's Almanac for a release date on the P-Series and couldn't find anything, do you think they left it out by mistake?
tubetwister's Avatar tubetwister 05:39 PM 08-07-2014
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I checked the Farmer's Almanac for a release date on the P-Series and couldn't find anything, do you think they left it out by mistake?
Word on the street the hold up is they are still negotiating costs/shelf pricing with Wal Mart so until that's finalized
nothings gonna happen soon I think they may have settled with Target
michaeltscott's Avatar michaeltscott 05:58 PM 08-07-2014
Vizio sells direct from their website and through numerous other retailers and e-tailers, including Amazon. No hint of the P-Series yet.
Keenan's Avatar Keenan 06:03 PM 08-07-2014
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Vizio sells direct from their website and through numerous other retailers and e-tailers, including Amazon. No hint of the P-Series yet.
Yeah, I'm just hoping that Best Buy carries them so I can actually see it, the problem is they are probably too upscale for BB and Vizio is currently not a Magnolia brand so who knows. Doubt WalMart would have the P-Series.
mailiang's Avatar mailiang 10:13 PM 08-07-2014
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Yeah, I'm just hoping that Best Buy carries them so I can actually see it, the problem is they are probably too upscale for BB and Vizio is currently not a Magnolia brand so who knows. Doubt WalMart would have the P-Series.
Funny, I've never considered any Vizio as 'upscale'. Although many of their sets are known to offer a good bang for the buck, it is probably why they have never been a Magnolia product.


Ian
Keenan's Avatar Keenan 10:30 PM 08-07-2014
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Funny, I've never considered any Vizio as an 'upscale' product. It's probably why it has never been a Magnolia brand.


Ian
Well, the P and R series are new developments for Vizio, though they have yet to be seen. I agree that Vizio has to date been basically a budget brand, apparently they're hoping to expand into a new higher end demographic and as such the P/R series would be too "upscale" for Best Buy, they already carry the 2 lower series, the E/M, and MagHiFi is not a Vizio dealer. So the question becomes, where will the 2 higher end series of displays be available for seeing/purchasing?

And they all have Netflix, you know, to keep on topic and all that.
michaeltscott's Avatar michaeltscott 10:37 PM 08-07-2014
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Funny, I've never considered any Vizio as an 'upscale' product. It's probably why it has never been a Magnolia brand.
If you look at those product pages that I linked to above, you'll see that the P-Series is a UHDTV with definite upscale specs, the equal of most anything that Samsung, Sony or LG has come to market with this year (other than LG's OLED panels and with the exception of 3D capability); their Reference Series are basically "boutique" models. Since they haven't shown up as anything other than prototypes, they're still vaporware.
mailiang's Avatar mailiang 10:39 PM 08-07-2014
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Well, the P and R series are new developments for Vizio, though they have yet to be seen. I agree that Vizio has to date been basically a budget brand, apparently they're hoping to expand into a new higher end demographic and as such the P/R series would be too "upscale" for Best Buy, they already carry the 2 lower series, the E/M, and MagHiFi is not a Vizio dealer. So the question becomes, where will the 2 higher end series of displays be available for seeing/purchasing?

And they all have Netflix, you know, to keep on topic and all that.
If they can establish the P/R series as an upscale brand, as did Sharp with the Elite series, I can find no reason why BB wouldn't display them in their Magnolia department.

Ian
Keenan's Avatar Keenan 10:47 PM 08-07-2014
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If they can establish the P/R series as an upscale brand, as did Sharp with the Elite series, I can find no reason why BB wouldn't display them in their Magnolia department.

Ian
I agree, but it remains to be seen if that will actually happen, I hope it does as then I can do a direct comparison with my current top choice, the Samsung F8500 64".
tubetwister's Avatar tubetwister 10:52 PM 08-07-2014
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Vizio sells direct from their website and through numerous other retailers and e-tailers, including Amazon. No hint of the P-Series yet.
Was just kidding about Wall Mart ,Target thing might ,pee might be late and maybe never see the reference at the snail pace they work at
tubetwister's Avatar tubetwister 11:05 PM 08-07-2014
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I agree, but it remains to be seen if that will actually happen, I hope it does as then I can do a direct comparison with my current top choice, the Samsung F8500 64".
IMO no way pee and R are going to top an f8500 in other than almost direct sun after all pee and reference R likely 2 be LGD S-IPS maybe with reworked FALD back light 2 approximate (fake) black levels PN f8500 already has that is a known thing in *some Sony 8.5 + 9x w/ FALD neither are f8500 spoilers .
People R probably over hyping these pees and R's just like they did with other 2014 Visio FALD .


4K is cool and all but can U really see it at normal view distance on a 60-65" I think 4K comes into play with phatt 70" + panels

All that being said pee will probably be most excellent 4K value play with 900 nit panel and all
remain 2 B seen how R will fare against same price LG ,Sony and Samsung !
RRS1947's Avatar RRS1947 12:52 PM 08-08-2014
Just a quick question. Where has the "Netflix streaming quality" thread moved to? This thread seems to have turned into a general chat thread on just about anything.

I've been following and testing Netflix on my AT&T Uverse service for 19 months and am courious what other AT&T members are experiencing since the Open Connect Peering is now inline and has been going through compatibility checks, etc. over the past 10 days.

Thank you and Best Regards.

Rob
reddice's Avatar reddice 01:09 PM 08-08-2014
With 613 pages of posts it is bound to go off topic. Maybe the mods should lock this thread so anew one can be started called "Netflix general problems" .
RRS1947's Avatar RRS1947 03:01 PM 08-08-2014
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With 613 pages of posts it is bound to go off topic. Maybe the mods should lock this thread so anew one can be started called "Netflix general problems" .
Or just maybe, members who are AT&T subscribers will see my post and start posting their observations and data of the progress and implementation of the AT&T Netflix peering roll out.

I will check back to see if there is any interest in the posting of AT&T users observations.
tubetwister's Avatar tubetwister 03:07 PM 08-08-2014
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Or just maybe, members who are AT&T subscribers will see my post and start posting their observations and data of the progress and implementation of the AT&T Netflix peering roll out.

I will check back to see if there is any interest in the posting of AT&T users observations.
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repost of most recent test I would do another one but I'm actually watching something for a change right now

7 Aug 2014 11:05 PDT

Played 1080p Netflix example short23.796 bit rate = 4300kbps @ 1:00 > 5800kbps @ 3:00 for remainder no slowdown or buffer > 2013 Roku 2 streamer > ATT U verse FTTN 18mbps internet plan
So what about about this recent ATT /Nflix thing you mentioned above will post a follow up test later

EDIT read about it cool!

going to get up outa this chair right about now and go pilfer some of aunt bees cookies or maybe some apple pie !
tubetwister's Avatar tubetwister 03:23 PM 08-08-2014
08 AUG 2014 14:15 PDT 1080p Netflix example short23.796

14:14:52 start > 30 sec to 3000kbps (720p) > 2:17m = 4300kbps (1080p)> 3:21 m= 5800 kbps (Super HD 1080p ) ☺☺☺
2013 Roku 2 streamer > ATT U verse FTTN 18mbps internet plan

Think I'll go for the Pie!
DRC72's Avatar DRC72 03:41 PM 08-08-2014
A few pages back I listed my experience with AT&T uverse. But to recap I am staying on Super HD and 720p a lot more lately. On occasion I will drop below 720p, but I'm noticing it doesn't last long.
RRS1947's Avatar RRS1947 04:11 PM 08-08-2014
I will post back my data after the 'acid test' of Friday and Saturday's Prime Time viewing test window.

I use these two test videos:

Test Pattern: Downscaling 2997fps 10Min (contains bit rate, resolution, screen ratio and a clock counter) I suggest muting the sound.

El Fuente: 60 MP10 (bit rate, resolution, screen ratio)

For a subjective test I use the House of Cards opening credits. Text, camera pans up>down, left>right, right>left. Scenes change from day to night.
______________

Netflix peering active, still may be going through testing and compatibility checks. Checked with tracert netflix.com and tracert nflxvideo.net

As of now 1710hrs CST: 25 seconds to 3000kbps, 30-40 seconds to 4300kbps-5800kbps.

My AT&T Exchange is 120 miles South of me in Dallas. Location of AT&T's world corporate headquarters.
reddice's Avatar reddice 05:18 PM 08-08-2014
I upgraded the firmware on my Asus router Merlin 376.44 which was more like a downgrade horrible wifi performance so I put Merlin 374.43 back and did a reset and I have a new IP address. I still connect to Atlanta going through Alkami not Level 3 at least on the PC. Well after playing the El Fuente clip in IE which was horrible it would not go past 1050 kbps so I used the windows 8 app it took a while to start but it ramped up 5800 kbps after about a minute. Anyway I notice that they no longer have the 3850 kbps encode. I will be very peeved off if they really got rid of it. That is why I go from Super HD 4300 kbps to 720p 3000 kbps. Netflix really should have gotten rid of those godawful 235kbps, 375kbps, 560kbps and 750 kbps encodes.

Attached is a screenshot of the El Fuente clip playing in the Netflix windows 8 app which I notice no longer shows the images.
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gadgtfreek's Avatar gadgtfreek 05:51 PM 08-08-2014
I just ran the netflix test clip in IE with the debug menu. Im getting exactly what speed test are showing now from Netflix, so that is a good sign. My speed is a little off from the 5600-5900 it usually runs, but it is Friday night at 6:30 and the wife was playing on a tablet.

Long story short, it took a few minutes but it built up 120 second buffers and ran between 4300 1080p and 5800 1080p. This seems very positive considering I couldnt get more than 480 and 384 last month.
tubetwister's Avatar tubetwister 06:06 PM 08-08-2014
8 Aug 2014 17:05
2 traceroute + whois for host + hops from PC first tracerout . PC located in Sac-delta about ~ 75 -90 mi from San Jose area (south bay) ATT isp server farms and Netflix in Los Gatos respectively. Looks more direct than past trace routs

All hops ip domain resolved in first trace rout instance (whois )

Could be Roku or other device may route differently maybe michael scott or one of the other resident experts can answer that.


Tracing route to netflix.com over a maximum of 128 hops 2 instances .


Resolving host address ...
Host address resolved: 69.53.236.17= Netfix Los Gatos, ca
1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms homeportal [192.168.1.254] ATT gateway
2 24 ms 37 ms 47 ms 172-9-108-2.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [172.9.108.2] =ATT Santa Clara ,Ca
3 28 ms 28 ms 28 ms [71.145.0.186] = ATT Richardson Texas
4 23 ms 33 ms 53 ms [12.83.39.181]= AT&T Worldnet Services
5 24 ms 24 ms 25 ms ggr6.wswdc.ip.att.net [12.122.86.89] = Sky Broadband london (ATT)
6 27 ms 27 ms 27 ms [192.205.37.190]= AT&T Services, Inc. Indianapolis ,In.US
7 26 ms 26 ms 28 ms 216.156.84.6.ptr.us.xo.net [216.156.84.6] = No Objects Found NSA/CIA ? ☺☺☺
8 27 ms 27 ms 29 ms xe-2-2-0-955.jnrt-edge02.prod1.netflix.com [69.53.225.30] = netfix Los Gatos, ca
9 27 ms 29 ms 31 ms te1-8.csrt-agg02.prod1.netflix.com [69.53.225.10] = Netfix Los Gatos, ca
10 26 ms 26 ms 27 ms www.netflix.com [69.53.236.17] = Netfix Los Gatos, ca
Tracing is complete with total 10 hops.
racing route to netflix.com over a maximum of 128 hops
Resolving host address ...
Host address resolved: 69.53.236.17
1 1 ms 4 ms 11 ms homeportal [192.168.1.254]
2 24 ms 55 ms 117 ms 172-9-108-2.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [172.9.108.2]
3 24 ms 24 ms 25 ms [71.145.0.186]
4 23 ms 25 ms 27 ms [12.83.39.181]
5 24 ms 33 ms 43 ms ggr6.wswdc.ip.att.net [12.122.86.89]
6 25 ms 39 ms 56 ms [192.205.37.190]
7 26 ms 28 ms 32 ms 216.156.84.6.ptr.us.xo.net [216.156.84.6]
8 27 ms 31 ms 38 ms xe-2-2-0-955.jnrt-edge02.prod1.netflix.com [69.53.225.30]
9 27 ms 27 ms 27 ms te1-8.csrt-agg02.prod1.netflix.com [69.53.225.10]
10 27 ms 29 ms 34 ms www.netflix.com [69.53.236.17]
Tracing is complete with total 10 hops.


WHOIS for host :
[U]Host address resolved: 69.53.236.17 = Netfix Los Gatos, ca
tRange: 69.53.224.0 - 69.53.255.255
CIDR: 69.53.224.0/19
OriginAS: AS55095, AS2906
NetName: NETFLIX-INC
NetHandle: NET-69-53-224-0-1
Parent: NET-69-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Assignment ******************
Comment: Please send an email to nicadmin@netflix.com?and or
Comment: noc@netflix.com for any admin, technical or abuse related questions.
RegDate: 2006-06-23
Updated: 2013-03-13
Ref: http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-69-53-224-0-1

OrgName: Netflix Inc
OrgId: NETFL-13
Address: 100 Winchester Cir
City: Los Gatos
StateProv: CA
PostalCode: 95032

Country: US
RegDate: 2004-04-26
Updated: 2011-09-24
Ref: http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/NETFL-13
gadgtfreek's Avatar gadgtfreek 06:16 PM 08-08-2014
I just did mine, it goes from Mobile Alabama to Atlanta Georgia, to Dallas Tx.
michaeltscott's Avatar michaeltscott 06:20 PM 08-08-2014
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Anyway I notice that they no longer have the 3850 kbps encode. I will be very peeved off if they really got rid of it.
Yeah, they seem to have done away with those. A very strange decision. I tried a few titles in my My List marked "Super HD" in the Win8 app and there were no 3850 Kbps 1080p encodes indicated in the Stream Manager overlay. I then tried some of the things marked simply "HD" in the Win8 app on my TiVo and none of them got up over 720p (The Cider House Rules, Chasing Amy, Emma, Equilibrium). So, it seems that any title for which they weren't licensed to present in "Super HD" may now only be presented in 720p. I believe that most of those were previously eligible for 3850 Kbps 1080p. Sad.
DRC72's Avatar DRC72 06:34 PM 08-08-2014
830pm prime time on a Friday night and Super HD is going strong on AT&T Uverse.[emoji106]
tubetwister's Avatar tubetwister 07:03 PM 08-08-2014
08 AUG 2014 17:55 PDT 1080p Netflix example short23.796

start 17:58:58 >20:sec =4300 kbps (1080p)> 1:35 = 5800 kbps (Super HD 1080p ) ☺☺☺

Looks they be getting they $&%$ together (about time ) pretty decent for Fri eve.

Back to ball game (Raiders pre season) My boys (49'ers ) got they $&% handed to them by Baltimore today 23-3 !
reddice's Avatar reddice 09:31 PM 08-08-2014
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post
Yeah, they seem to have done away with those. A very strange decision. I tried a few titles in my My List marked "Super HD" in the Win8 app and there were no 3850 Kbps 1080p encodes indicated in the Stream Manager overlay. I then tried some of the things marked simply "HD" in the Win8 app on my TiVo and none of them got up over 720p (The Cider House Rules, Chasing Amy, Emma, Equilibrium). So, it seems that any title for which they weren't licensed to present in "Super HD" may now only be presented in 720p. I believe that most of those were previously eligible for 3850 Kbps 1080p. Sad.
Now I understand why I had congestion it would only go up to 720p. Netflix is really stupid they should have gotten rid of those crap 240p low def encodes.
Also tonight BTW Netflix streamed great tonight on my PS4 like it does in the afternoon. I doubt it will last though.
reddice's Avatar reddice 09:38 PM 08-08-2014
Now I notice since I reset my router and reconfigured it and got a new IP address I am still connecting to Atlanta CDN but I am not going though Level 3 no more which is why streaming was flawless tonight. Anyone can read my trace route.
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Originally Posted by Atlanta CDN
Tracing route to ipv4_1.ix0.c001.atl001.ix.nflxvideo.net [108.175.41.140]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms router.asus.com [192.168.1.1]
2 19 ms 20 ms 12 ms user-0cdf601.cable.mindspring.com [24.215.152.1]

3 10 ms 15 ms 13 ms tge-0-1-0-9.nycmnyr-rtr1.nyc.rr.com [68.173.217.
193]
4 15 ms 17 ms 18 ms agg23.nyclnyrg01r.nyc.rr.com [184.152.112.63]
5 13 ms 16 ms 13 ms 107.14.19.24
6 34 ms 32 ms 37 ms bu-ether14.atlngamq47w-bcr01.tbone.rr.com [107.1
4.17.143]
7 30 ms 36 ms 37 ms bu-ether11.atlngamq46w-bcr00.tbone.rr.com [66.10
9.6.34]
8 30 ms 28 ms 34 ms 24.27.236.83
9 68 ms 64 ms 73 ms 108.175.41.10

undecided's Avatar undecided 01:02 AM 08-09-2014
Reddice two recent informative posts thanks

- Apparently Netflix is no longer providing the 3850 1080P kpbs streams (I will definitely check to see if I am seeing the same)
- Wireless range issues with recent .44 Merlin release on the Asus RT-N66U - yup looking at the posts on the SmallNetBuilder forums after seeing your post I will stick with .43 for now....


Now maybe less posts on how your Netflix TWC connection is doing throughout each evening....

We know - and I think you also know what options you have to to check if you can find work arounds....

Thanks
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