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As I stated, within the VUDU HDX (1080p) tier there are 3 video encodes at different bit rates, the lowest being around 4500 Kbps and the highest being 9000 Kbps. It switches between those "adaptively" as available bandwidth fluctuates. One advantage of this is that it will always start at 1080p, unless there's less than 4500 Kbps available bandwidth, when it will warn you before switching to a lower quality tier.

There are 3 video encodes each for the HD (720p) and SD (480p) tiers as well. The lowest HD encode needs 2150 Kbps and the lowest SD one needs 1000 Kbps.

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Again thank you so very much. Dare I say I have always been aware of everything you posted in the above quote.

And yet you stated that VUDU wasn't adaptive, which is why I posted it.

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I'm not quite sure I see the usefulness of a traceroute to netflix.com. netflix.com is hosted in AWS and is completely different servers from Netflix's CDN for video.
Netflix uses Amazon Web Services AWS for traffic management and DRM but the video streams from either third party or Netflix CDNs - sometimes streaming from multiple CDNs simultaneously. This was much debated here some months ago when it appeared that the video quality though some ISPs depended on which CDN your device was connecting to.

You can check the CDN(s) you are connected to if you are playing Netflix from a PC - some routers will also list the active connections allowing you to check the CDN(s) for other devices.
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Netflix uses Amazon Web Services AWS for traffic management and DRM but the video streams from either third party or Netflix CDNs - sometimes streaming from multiple CDNs simultaneously. This was much debated here some months ago when it appeared that the video quality though some ISPs depended on which CDN your device was connecting to.

You can check the CDN(s) you are connected to if you are playing Netflix from a PC - some routers will also list the active connections allowing you to check the CDN(s) for other devices.
I'm pretty sure Netflix has recently said 100% of their traffic is now through their own CDN (OpenConnect).
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I knew trace-rout wasn't going to same place the videos are hosted (AWS) with the video being played on a Roku and the using the PC for trace route going to the .com website it does validate the direct peering of the.com website and at least by implication the hosted content at AWS or maybe that never occurred to you perhaps ? And yes everybody knows Netflix content is hosted at AWS .

How does it validate direct peering if it still goes through XO? I get a similae traceroute (also through XO) on my parent's TWC connection.
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He posted the same thing on my Time Warner post. You have to do a trace route with the Netflix CDN not the website.
I'll do us all a favor and delete the thing I posted to your time Warner thread since ATT is not topic related there anyway and perhaps shouldent be there anyway now that I think about it glad you pointed that out .
My Neflix /Amazon / ATT is working fine glad we aren't stuck with TWC out here .

Maybe when Time Warner gets bought out by Comcast they will get straightened out some after a while and you won't need a thread it's obvious they aren't capable of (or willing to ) do much of that on their own

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And yet you stated that VUDU wasn't adaptive, which is why I posted it.
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I'm pretty sure Netflix has recently said 100% of their traffic is now through their own CDN (OpenConnect).
I hadn't realized they had actually switched everything to their CDNs - although I am sure that's the goal.

Since the Comcast / Netflix agreement in February I stopped looking at the CDN I was connecting to as all my devices were able get highest speed 24/7

My point above is still valid though for those seeing issues and wanting to check the CDN they are connected to (even if it is a Netlix Streaming Services CDN). Many routers will allow you to view active connections. You will see a connection to Amazon (for DRM and traffic management) and connection(s) to the CDN where the video is actually coming from. You can also check the CDN when playing back Netflix on a PC.
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I hadn't realized they had actually switched everything to their CDNs - although I am sure that's the goal.

They've been 100% in other countries and thought that they'd reach 100% in the US this summer.

As reddice can attest, even if you're getting connected to a server in Netflix's CDN, you might be getting routed all over the place if your ISP doesn't have a direct peering agreement with Netflix.

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What I do find weird is that I can't ping the servers listed earlier, such as NYC.

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PING ipv4_1.ix0.c001.nyc001.ix.nflxvideo.net (108.175.42.66): 56 data bytes
Request timeout for icmp_seq 0
Request timeout for icmp_seq 1
But can ping the server I am getting routed to:

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PING ipv4_1.cxl0.c318.ord001.ix.nflxvideo.net (198.38.108.148): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 198.38.108.148: icmp_seq=0 ttl=54 time=14.304 ms
64 bytes from 198.38.108.148: icmp_seq=1 ttl=54 time=14.428 ms
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What I do find weird is that I can't ping the servers listed earlier, ...
The ping service can be turned off by the sysadmin of each server, and ping can be blocked at firewalls, so it doesn't surprise me if ping is unavailable from some public servers and available on others, even if they are ran by the same company.

We were quite selective where I worked on which servers we turned on the ping service, and even then our external firewall blocked the ping port from those outside of the company network. And even then sometimes the ping service was left off until the programmers specifically requested that it be on so connectivity could be tested outside of regular Apache or Oracle Network services, especially while servers and software on those servers were being configured.

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How does it validate direct peering if it still goes through XO? I get a similae traceroute (also through XO) on my parent's TWC connection.



Take a look at the trace route again and think about it a little . particularly this hop 5 26 ms 27 ms 28 ms [192.205.37.190] ATT Direct Allocation ( that's something new here bty .) and the geography of most of the hops
twc has nothing at all to do with how ATT connects to Netflix .
Not sure if TWC has a peering deal with Netflix? Don't know don't care Also think about the word implication while you are at it .

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For ISPs which have a direct peering deal with Netflix, traffic to Netflix's streaming servers will go through only that ISP's network and into Netflix's CDN; it will not be routed through any other networks.

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Take a look at the trace route again and think about it a little . particularly this hop 5 26 ms 27 ms 28 ms [192.205.37.190] ATT Direct Allocation ( that's something new here bty .) and the geography of most of the hops
twc has nothing at all to do with how ATT connects to Netflix .
Not sure if TWC has a peering deal with Netflix? Don't know don't care Also think about the word implication while you are at it .
Umm all that means is it was another IP allocated to AT&T (nothing extrodinary). Now, I'll go slow here, who owns the next part of the traceroute?

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XO? Well then, AT&T is not directly connected to Netflix if they go through an intermediary are they?

I brought in Time Warner as an example because...wait for it...I also go through XO on there to hit Netflix. TWC does not currently (at least publicly) have an agreement with Netflix and surely not a direct connection considering the traceroute and the fact that there's a lot of complaints still about the performance with them.

My point was that while the AT&T performance has gotten better, there doesn't appear to be a direct connection yet since it's going through XO for both of our traceroutes. It's possible AT&T and NF still go through XO for their traffic, but AT&T activated more ports for their peering with XO. A direct connection isn't always needed.

This is in contrast to the results of a recent Comcast traceroute, which does appear to go straight to NF:

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traceroute to 198.45.63.164 (198.45.63.164), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
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 3  [AS33651] 76.21.8.1 (76.21.8.1)  11.174 ms  14.215 ms  20.283 ms
 4  [AS33287] te-7-2-ur01.sffolsom.ca.sfba.comcast.net (68.85.103.21)  10.612 ms  12.468 ms  9.935 ms
 5  [AS33651] te-1-14-0-6-ar01.sfsutro.ca.sfba.comcast.net (68.86.143.50)  10.932 ms  14.374 ms  16.179 ms
 6  [AS7922] he-3-8-0-0-cr01.sanjose.ca.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.94.85)  24.146 ms  14.741 ms  15.096 ms
 7  [AS7922] he-0-11-0-0-pe03.11greatoaks.ca.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.85.238)  16.531 ms  16.816 ms  15.605 ms
 8  [AS7922] 173.167.57.102 (173.167.57.102)  12.722 ms  12.348 ms  13.481 ms
 9  [AS2906] ipv4_1.lagg0.c070.sjc002.ix.nflxvideo.net (198.45.63.164)  15.250 ms  17.128 ms  13.105 ms
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For ISPs which have a direct peering deal with Netflix, traffic to Netflix's streaming servers will go through only that ISP's network and into Netflix's CDN; it will not be routed through any other networks.
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For ISPs which have a direct peering deal with Netflix, traffic to Netflix's streaming servers will go through only that ISP's network and into Netflix's CDN; it will not be routed through any other networks.
Which is what I am getting now. I still connect to Atlanta but the last few pings are all TWC with no level 3 and everything is streaming great tonight on the ATV3 no less.

You can check my streaming issues with TWC thread for the trace routes here.

I hope this is not a fluke as there is nothing in the news about this. I hated being routed through level 3.

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QUOTE=xcrunner529;26434713]Umm all that means is it was another IP allocated to AT&T (nothing extrodinary). Now, I'll go slow here, who owns the next part of the traceroute?

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XO? Well then, AT&T is not directly connected to Netflix if they go through an intermediary are they?

I brought in Time Warner as an example because...wait for it...I also go through XO on there to hit Netflix. TWC does not currently (at least publicly) have an agreement with Netflix and surely not a direct connection considering the traceroute and the fact that there's a lot of complaints still about the performance with them.

My point was that while the AT&T performance has gotten better, there doesn't appear to be a direct connection yet since it's going through XO for both of our traceroutes. It's possible AT&T and NF still go through XO for their traffic, but AT&T activated more ports for their peering with XO. A direct connection isn't always needed.

This is in contrast to the results of a recent Comcast traceroute, which does appear to go straight to NF:
Like I said I was pinging Netflix .com website not playing a stream on the trace route so at this point it could be either way . my router wont let me view the traffic

Maybe I can use netstat in an elevated CMD window while playing a steam on the PC and get some valid results .
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There are people who get consistently good performance from Netflix even through ISPs without direct peering to Netflix's CDN.

tubetwister, have you tried a traceroute from you to ipv4_1.lagg0.c070.sjc002.ix.nflxvideo.net (198.45.63.164), presumably in San Jose? Should be close to you in Northern Cali. I get routed to it through Cox in four hops, entirely in Cox's network (Cox became on Open Connect partner in March of 2013).
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There are people who get consistently good performance from Netflix even through ISPs without direct peering to Netflix's CDN.

tubetwister, have you tried a traceroute from you to ipv4_1.lagg0.c070.sjc002.ix.nflxvideo.net (198.45.63.164), presumably in San Jose? Should be close to you in Northern Cali. I get routed to it through Cox in four hops, entirely in Cox's network (Cox became on Open Connect partner in March of 2013).
Thanks M just tried it here is the result , looks pretty direct to me what do you think ? Many thanks for the ip address . Whois says nothing but ATT and Netflix

Any time I did a tracerout to the .com website before like I did in an earlier posting above there was a lot more hops including a bunch of level 3 hops as well .

xcrunner529,...................... how you liking that crow right about now bud ?

Tracing route to 198.45.63.164 over a maximum of 128 hops
1 1 ms 6 ms 17 ms homeportal [192.168.1.254]
2 23 ms 25 ms 27 ms 172-9-108-2.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [172.9.108.2] (AT&T Internet Services )
3 * * *
4 23 ms 23 ms 24 ms [12.83.39.181] ATTSVC (whois look up)
5 31 ms 96 ms 141 ms cr83.sffca.ip.att.net [12.123.15.113]
6 * * *
7 27 ms 28 ms 30 ms [198.45.63.8] Netflix Streaming Services Inc. (whois loookup)
8 26 ms 26 ms 28 ms ipv4_1.lagg0.c070.sjc002.ix.nflxvideo.net [198.45.63.164]
Tracing is complete with total 8 hops.

Whois look up (198.45.63.164),

198.45.48.0 - 198.45.63.255
CIDR: 198.45.48.0/20
OriginAS: AS2906
NetName: SSI-IPV4-1
NetHandle: NET-198-45-48-0-1
Parent: NET-198-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Assignment
RegDate: 2012-04-30
Updated: 2012-04-30
Ref: http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-198-45-48-0-1

OrgName: Netflix Streaming Services Inc.
OrgId: SS-144
Address: 1209 Orange Street
City: Wilmington
StateProv: DE
PostalCode: 19801
Country: US
RegDate: 2012-04-20
Updated: 2012-07-25
Ref: http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/SS-144

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Thanks M just tried it here is the result , looks pretty direct to me what do you think ? Many thanks for the ip address . Whois says nothing but ATT and Netflix

Any time I did a tracerout to the .com website before like I did in an earlier posting above there was a lot more hops including a bunch of level 3 hops as well .

xcrunner529,...................... how you liking that crow right about now bud ?

Tracing route to 198.45.63.164 over a maximum of 128 hops
1 1 ms 6 ms 17 ms homeportal [192.168.1.254]
2 23 ms 25 ms 27 ms 172-9-108-2.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [172.9.108.2] (AT&T Internet Services )
3 * * *
4 23 ms 23 ms 24 ms [12.83.39.181] ATTSVC (whois look up)
5 31 ms 96 ms 141 ms cr83.sffca.ip.att.net [12.123.15.113]
6 * * *
7 27 ms 28 ms 30 ms [198.45.63.8] Netflix Streaming Services Inc. (whois loookup)
8 26 ms 26 ms 28 ms ipv4_1.lagg0.c070.sjc002.ix.nflxvideo.net [198.45.63.164]
Tracing is complete with total 8 hops.

Whois look up (198.45.63.164),

198.45.48.0 - 198.45.63.255
CIDR: 198.45.48.0/20
OriginAS: AS2906
NetName: SSI-IPV4-1
NetHandle: NET-198-45-48-0-1
Parent: NET-198-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Assignment
RegDate: 2012-04-30
Updated: 2012-04-30
Ref: http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-198-45-48-0-1

OrgName: Netflix Streaming Services Inc.
OrgId: SS-144
Address: 1209 Orange Street
City: Wilmington
StateProv: DE
PostalCode: 19801
Country: US
RegDate: 2012-04-20
Updated: 2012-07-25
Ref: http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/SS-144
I don't get that but it's interesting if accurate.

There's no crow here. What you posted previously was not evidence of a direct connection despite your claim nor was it even the right place to check for what you were looking for.

Edit: although we have no idea who #6 is.
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Did another traceroure using "nflxvideo.net" as mentioned in an earlier post results are below only thing different from above is the 216.156.84.6 rwhois.eng.xo.com (by Network Solutions, Inc. V-1.5.9)
%error 230 No Objects Found
no clue on that one this is not my day job now if you wanna meet some nice lady's perhaps

Note ran whois on above again above is a correction/

Tracing route to nflxvideo.net over a maximum of 128 hops
Resolving host address ...
Host address resolved: 69.53.236.21
1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms homeportal [192.168.1.254]
2 23 ms 25 ms 28 ms 172-9-108-2.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [172.9.108.2]
3 * * *
4 24 ms 25 ms 27 ms [12.83.39.181]
5 23 ms 25 ms 28 ms ggr6.wswdc.ip.att.net [12.122.86.89]
6 26 ms 26 ms 26 ms [192.205.37.190] AT&T Services, Inc.(whois)
7 26 ms 26 ms 26 ms 216.156.84.6.ptr.us No Objects Found (whois)
8 27 ms 35 ms 51 ms xe-2-2-0-955.jnrt-edge02.prod1.netflix.com [69.53.225.30]
9 27 ms 27 ms 27 ms te1-8.csrt-agg02.prod1.netflix.com [69.53.225.10]
10 26 ms 26 ms 27 ms nflxext.com.netflix.net [69.53.236.21]
Tracing is complete with total 10 hops.

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I don't get that but it's interesting if accurate.

There's no crow here. What you posted previously was not evidence of a direct connection despite your claim nor was it even the right place to check for what you were looking for.

Edit: although we have no idea who #6 is.
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What you posted previously was not evidence of a direct connection despite your claim
Never said it was evidence of direct connection only an implication .

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nor was it even the right place to check for what you were looking for.
I'll give you that one even though it was known to me and also obvious at the time .
You mentioned hop 6 what about 3 ? maybe attempted and not completed connections don't know this is not my day job and probably not yours as well ?



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I'm a network admin, so yes, it is my day job.

6 just doesn't say who it is so there could be another hop there.
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I'm a network admin, so yes, it is my day job.

6 just doesn't say who it is so there could be another hop there.
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I'm a network admin, so yes, it is my day job.
How should I know ? Been doing it long ? ☺☺ Nothing like bringing your work home eh ?

Perhaps I was wrong ......maybe it was chicken after all

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6 just doesn't say who it is so there could be another hop there.
Thought you guys were supposed to know all that stuff what gives ? What about hop 3 same thing ?
or you think it was NSA traffic ?

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09 AUG 2014 12:12:05 PDT 1080p Netflix example short23.796

12:12:05 start >45 :sec = 4800kbs (1080p)> 2:31 = 5800 kbps (Super HD 1080p ) ☺☺☺
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Note PC Traceroute is to Netlix .com website and not Neflix content and only implicates ATT direct connection to Netflix


Tracing route to netflix.com over a maximum of 128 hops + All domains resolved (whois)
1 23 ms 46 ms 71 ms 172-9-108-2.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [172.9.108.2]
2 * * *
3 24 ms 24 ms 26 ms [12.83.39.181]AT&T Worldnet Services ATTSVC
4 34 ms 57 ms 94 ms ggr6.wswdc.ip.att.net [12.122.86.89]Worldnet Services ATTSVC
5 26 ms 27 ms 28 ms [192.205.37.190] ATT Direct Allocation
6 26 ms 37 ms 57 ms 216.156.84.6.ptr.us.xo.net [216.156.84.6] No object found , NSA? ☺☺☺
7 27 ms 27 ms 27 ms xe-2-2-0-955.jnrt-edge02.prod1.netflix.com [69.53.225.30] netflix.com
8 27 ms 30 ms 36 ms te1-8.csrt-agg02.prod1.netflix.com [69.53.225.10] netflix.com
9 26 ms 26 ms 27 ms netflix.co.uk [69.53.236.17] netflix.com
Tracing is complete with total 10 hops.

Looks like they been getting they $&%$ together
Man, thats nice. I'll have to keep checking mine and see if it stops hitting two or 3 places before it gets there.

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You probably have a faster internet speed as well. My Roku 3 gets their faster than the Sony with the same speed.

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Implementation Progress of AT&T Netflix Peering Agreement

As an AT&T Uverse Internet subscriber this is what I experienced last night with Netflix.

Saturday August 9, 2014 (1800hrs - 0100hrs CST)

Consistent stable bit rates with no video degradation throughout entire time window:

4 seconds to 3000kbps > 7 seconds to 4300kbps-5800kbps
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This is the first time since January 2013 I have experienced a Bit Rate greater than 1750kbps using Netflix during Saturday Prime Time viewing.
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Man, thats nice. I'll have to keep checking mine and see if it stops hitting two or 3 places before it gets there.
That was actually only to the .com Netflix website not the video servers below is a trace route to an actual Netflix Videoserver .

michaelscott gave me the URL of a Netflix video server.

Tracing route to 198.45.63.164 over a maximum of 128 hops
1 1 ms 6 ms 17 ms homeportal [192.168.1.254]
2 23 ms 25 ms 27 ms 172-9-108-2.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [172.9.108.2] (AT&T Internet Services )
3 * * *
4 23 ms 23 ms 24 ms [12.83.39.181] ATTSVC (whois look up)
5 31 ms 96 ms 141 ms cr83.sffca.ip.att.net [12.123.15.113]
6 * * *
7 27 ms 28 ms 30 ms [198.45.63.8] Netflix Streaming Services Inc. (whois loookup)
8 26 ms 26 ms 28 ms ipv4_1.lagg0.c070.sjc002.ix.nflxvideo.net [198.45.63.164]
Tracing is complete with total 8 hops.

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