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I came to the conclusion that, though I don't think that there will but much if any demand for it, streaming services may well give it to people, regardless of how low the demand, if it comes in a form that can be digested by common DD+ decoders for output of 5.1 channels. I could be wrong, but I believe that additional channels in a stream will be ignored by a system which is set to output 5.1 channels; another 2-6 channels could be tacked on harmlessly with only the expensive of higher bandwidth, which wouldn't have to be much higher. Netflix used to provide DD+ at 384 Kbps and cut that in half when Dolby proclaimed that their latest encoder was twice as efficient as before. They could easily double it again to allow for extra channels.

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UHD is just another push by the CE folks to sell some hardware .. they need another cash cow .. 3-D failed to provide it, now UHD comes along ..
I have bought into atmos and I don't think that 3-D failed but isn't that there business In advancing technologies unfortunately it's not free.... my atmos 7.2.4 will blow away any soundbar away. I believe UHD sound is here and not everyone will buy into it but there will be plenty of us that will one thing that I agree with is that streaming will some day soon replace physical media. My new Atmos AVR plays all the blu-rays in a Dolby Surround listening mode and blows away my old Neo:X 9.2 that I grew to love. Atmos content will come I believe faster then 3D did.. 3D gave me a head ache at first then I got use to it.. but Atmos is a very different animal it envelopes you in sound and I'm seeing Netflix and vudu start streaming it..
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...Atmos is a very different animal it envelopes you in sound and I'm seeing Netflix and vudu start streaming it..

You're seeing them beginning to stream it now? Are do you mean that you foresee that they will start to stream it?

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You're seeing them beginning to stream it now? Are do you mean that you foresee that they will start to stream it?
Yes I foresee it sorry...
as I foresee streaming 4K content as well we are entering a great time for visual and audio developing right before us. We have been with 5.1 and 7.1 and 1080 for quite sometime now and now it's time to turn the page to 7.2.4 and 4K..

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About the popularity of 8-speaker systems? That's certainly only going to drop. People are abandoning 6 speaker systems. Too few people care about great surround sound and the WAF is very low. The streaming services aren't going to do anything purely to cater to AV-ophiles (though maybe new, more expensive services will rise to fill that niche ).
People who gravitate to sound bars are people that just as soon will be listening with their TV speakers.. people who have 8 speakers will not drop in my opinion down to a sound bar in their theater room or main viewing room I must say this once you taste what atmos can deliver you'll never turn back.. I know not all of us can afford New AVRs every time something new pops up.. but those that are enthusiasts will always strive for the new gear..That's just the way it has been and always will be.

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...I must say this once you taste what atmos can deliver you'll never turn back.. I know not all of us can afford New AVRs every time something new pops up.. but those that are enthusiasts will always strive for the new gear..That's just the way it has been and always will be.

I was in no way disparaging that attitude, just asserting that it's held by relatively miniscule portion of the entertainment video viewing public.

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I was in no way disparaging that attitude, just asserting that it's held by relatively miniscule portion of the entertainment video viewing public.
I know your not disparaging but there is a lot of money to be made on us relatively miniscule portion of the entertainment video enthusiasts and manufacturer's will continue to feed our hunger. There will always be a market for both...internet providers are ramping up things and opening up faster bandwidth our provider just increased my bandwidth to 150 megs from 90 so I see streaming is a growing industry.. but there will be people who are satisfied with 10megs..there is a market for everyone

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I know your not disparaging but there is a lot of money to be made on us relatively miniscule portion of the entertainment video enthusiasts...

Not by the streaming video services, or at least not likely for audio, unless the equipment manufacturers kick them back a piece. It could be that Netflix will add a "DD+ Atmos" audio option and make people subscribe to the 4-screens-at-a-time plan to get access to it, as they're now requiring for access to "UltraHD 4K" titles (except for those of us who were grandfathered in by accessing the 4K titles before the hike on October 10th), but I doubt it. Unlike 2160p video, 7.1 and x.1.2 or x.1.4 audio aren't likely to cost them anything to develop, just tiny bit more bandwidth off their servers. VUDU has a certain number of titles with 7.1 audio and they've never tried to get more money for them.

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IMO, as 4K content becomes more popular and available, most streaming media services will include some form of UHD audio. Regardless, I'll stick with my plasma and Blu-Ray with DTS MA as long as I can.


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UHD is just another push by the CE folks to sell some hardware .. they need another cash cow .. 3-D failed to provide it, now UHD comes along ..
The video side (+3D) of incremental beyond 7.1 lossless audio - industry money grab, niche at best.
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Regardless of the need to sell more gear with UHD and make money, which I agree with, I do not agree with comparing UHD to 3D in future expected acceptance.

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Regardless of the need to sell more gear with UHD and make money, which I agree with, I do not agree with comparing UHD to 3D in future expected acceptance.
I don't think I'd disagree with that .. at some point 4K / UHD sets may in fact become the defacto norm beyond a certain size .. if that's all that's available when 4K is as cheap to produce as 1080p .. same thing with 3-D if sets simply have 3-D whether you want it or not ..


A few things here is 1) When 4K players roll out 2) When content is more widely available 3) DVD still outsells BD, so how much 4K demand for physical media will there be .. ??

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Not by the streaming video services, or at least not likely for audio, unless the equipment manufacturers kick them back a piece. It could be that Netflix will add a "DD+ Atmos" audio option and make people subscribe to the 4-screens-at-a-time plan to get access to it, as they're now requiring for access to "UltraHD 4K" titles (except for those of us who were grandfathered in by accessing the 4K titles before the hike on October 10th), but I doubt it. Unlike 2160p video, 7.1 and x.1.2 or x.1.4 audio aren't likely to cost them anything to develop, just tiny bit more bandwidth off their servers. VUDU has a certain number of titles with 7.1 audio and they've never tried to get more money for them.
What I was trying to say was there will always be US miniscule enthusiast that will spring for a full blown array of speakers with the latest AVRs pushing them.. and then there will be those who are satisfied using their TV speakers.. I'm hoping for the day that all high resolution video and 7.1 of 7.1.4 audio will be accessible by streaming whether it's like Netflix and Amazon Prime. Hulu and Amazon has many rentals and my library is on their sever in the cloud. I foresee that as this grows and service providers increase bandwidth to their customers that physical media will dwindle and streaming will be the norm I have hundreds of DVDs blu-rays 3D blu-rays and now I'm getting blu-rays with Dolby Atmos.. I can free up lots of space I know it's a catch twenty two what if there's a cloud burst or I get dementia and foreget all my user names and passwords...
But it think streaming will be mainstream..

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Just a random thought, but prices of used fully functional PS3's have dropped as low as $40.00 in pawn shops and Craigs List in my area .. perhaps not as versatile as a Roku as far as aps go, but I personally don't think there is any better Netflix streaming device and they double as a BD player ..
I used to have a PS3 but sold it and got an Apple TV. Gave the Apple TV to my in-laws thinking the TV interface would be enough. Oh well.

Is the Roku interface as smooth as the Apple TV?

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Although I don't think that there's any overwhelming demand for it, I've come to agree with some that "4K" is pretty much a done deal. For some reason the industry wants it and eventually most televisions will be 2160 res, sort of like the current situation with 1080 and 720 res. It's clear that Atmos is already becoming a standard feature on new AVRs above a certain relatively low price line, most of those with features to handle switching 2160 res signals at 60Hz and to upconvert inputs to that resolution. I see that there are already "Atmos-enabled" floor standing and bookshelf speaker systems with upward firing elements and two inputs, though none of the ones that I see could be called particularly "affordable".

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I just wanted to add that I tried connecting the TV through WiFi and it only worked for 2 days before I got the aip-701 code. Once again I had to deauthorize Netflix on the TV and sign back in before I could watch any program.

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Move the router next to the TV? Probably can't but that's often the stock support answer. I can't do that either. If you have U-Verse the gateway is usually set to 400mw which only enough power to go about 20'. Range extenders don't work either. They're fine for a home office that might be on the outskirts of the house as long as you're not trying to watch movies there.

Like someone else mentioned get an Ethernet enabled device for streaming for reliability. In fact I specifically did NOT buy a "smart TV" as I figured the apps would not get updated after a while and I saved a lot of money getting a "dumb TV." I'm currently using the entry level Sony S1200 for Netflix, Amazon, Hulu+, VUDU, YouTube, Vimeo, etc. "Marco Polo" has been 1080p every episode so far.
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Move the router next to the TV? Probably can't but that's often the stock support answer. I can't do that either. If you have U-Verse the gateway is usually set to 400mw which only enough power to go about 20'. Range extenders don't work either. They're fine for a home office that might be on the outskirts of the house as long as you're not trying to watch movies there.
The TV has been directly connected using CAT5 cable until a few days ago when I thought I would try WiFi. WiFi was the last resort and I figured I would try it as I remember once my Apple TV would not update properly unless it was connected wirelessly.

I really don't want to have another box and liked the idea of the simplicity of a one button activation of Netflix as I am tired of my family asking me how to work the TV/PS3/Apple TV/whatever, but now I am sick and tired of having to fix this Netflix connection issue.

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Netflix's November Speed Index has been out for over a week. Netflix is really getting their money's worth for payments made to providers to get direct connections into their networks; Verizon maintains the lead and Comcast and Charter have leapfrogged my provider, Cox Communications, which was #2 behind Cablevision for a very long time. Cox has fallen to #6 , though it's average speed went up a bit (not sure why Comcast and Charter are listed ahead of them when they all have the same average speed). Cablevision holds its position as #2 .

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Unless you are streaming on 5ghz closer to the router don't bother use a Cat5E or Cat6 cable.
I have been connected via CAT5 up until a couple of days ago when I thought I'd give wireless a try and it didn't fix the problem. I'm now back to wired with CAT5 and it still gives me the error code.

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I really don't want to have another box and liked the idea of the simplicity of a one button activation of Netflix as I am tired of my family asking me how to work the TV/PS3/Apple TV/whatever, but now I am sick and tired of having to fix this Netflix connection issue.

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Then the Roku 3 would be the simplest option for you and the family. It's easy to use, just flip the tv over to the HDMI input, and touch any button on the Roku remote and it's ready to go. Simple interface, the Netflix app is the new standard version, with the profiles option, no fuss, no muss.

I know you don't want to fuss with a separate box, but it's the best alternative to dealing with the tv's glitchy embedded NF app.

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Netflix's November Speed Index has been out for over a week. ... (not sure why Comcast and Charter are listed ahead of them when they all have the same average speed).
If more positions after the decimal point were shown, it may reveal that Comcast, Charter and Cox have different average prime-time speeds.

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i had the roku stick and have dsl which i am at the very edge of thru my pc i can not even stream flash video off you tube thru the roku stick i could watch netflix all be not very hidef but decent streaming video is a issue concerning net neutrality you might be in a small service area with a mom and pops isp and there could be throttling done by the man in the middle go to twit.tv do a search for net neutrality there are several podcast on this subject from both sides as far as speed test goes it only looking for packet loss video is a band with hog and from what i understand netflix is greedy not the company there software or servers the more you feed netflix the more it wants
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Unless you are streaming on 5ghz closer to the router don't bother use a Cat5E or Cat6 cable.
I test signal strength with my Android phone and it drops off down to 2 bars in the living room and then 1-2 where the Chromecast is. But also Chromecast suffers from Google messing it up. It seemed to work better when I first got it than now. It used to stay connected to the app. It's not just me either as the Chromecast support board is littered with complaints.

The Google kids just don't understand "if it ain't broke don't fix it". Some of my Android app customers are having problems since they changed the way external memory works plus a missing menu button on some devices and I've yet to figure out a quick and simple way to fix it.
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