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That's even dumber than saying there are going to be no physical copies at all.

Let me know when BMW decides you can buy their cars but not lease them.

Seriously? Auto leasing is popular with many buyers because they can drive a car like a BMW which they couldn't afford otherwise. Disc rentals may be more affordable and offer better quality, but the convenience of downloads and streaming has become more appealing. As with CD's, there will always be a niche market for BD's, but sales and rentals are on the decline, and will unfortunately continue to lose their popularity and market share to on-line digital media. Sales of digital movies surges. Personally, I wished they still produced Plasma TV's, but their market share tanked despite offering IMO the best bang for the buck when compared to LCD's.




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You have to qualify to lease a BMW also. Plasma TV uses 3x electricity of LCD. Streaming and physical media sales/rental will strike a balance in the marketplace. Your arguments against that are are weak to non-existent.
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I never have and never will pay to stream/download a title that I can get cheaper by renting a disc. If discs completely went away tomorrow, I still wouldn't do a digital rental at current prices. I'd wait until it came to TV or Netflix.
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You have to qualify to lease a BMW also. Plasma TV uses 3x electricity of LCD..
It's easier to quality for a lease, then buying. Plasma's do use more electricity, but when it comes to actual dollars and cents, the better PQ is worth every penny.

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Streaming and physical media sales/rental will strike a balance in the marketplace. Your arguments against that are are weak to non-existent.
My arguments are weak? Did you read the chart or Wall Street Journal article? We're talking about trends. When you can provide data to confirm what your saying, please, feel free to get back to me.

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Seriously? Auto leasing is popular with many buyers because they can drive a car like a BMW which they couldn't afford otherwise. Disc rentals may be more affordable and offer better quality, but the convenience of downloads and streaming has become more appealing. As with CD's, there will always be a niche market for BD's, but sales and rentals are on the decline, and will unfortunately continue to lose their popularity and market share to on-line digital media. Sales of digital movies surges. Personally, I wished they still produced Plasma TV's, but their market share tanked despite offering IMO the best bang for the buck when compared to LCD's.



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You have to qualify to lease a BMW also. Plasma TV uses 3x electricity of LCD. Streaming and physical media sales/rental will strike a balance in the marketplace. Your arguments against that are are weak to non-existent.
♦ That graph (above from that first quote) is explicitly revealing, though.

* This was from the year 2012; I bet that it is even more revealing now in the year 2015.
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I believe the burden would be on anyone who declares "But to rent, that's another thing." but nice try.
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I believe the burden would be on anyone who declares "But to rent, that's another thing." but nice try.
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Question: Is Netflix picture anamorphic progressive or interlaced?
...When you see 480, 720, 1080 ... does it have a small "p" @ the end, like 480p, 720p, 1080p or does it have just a number (picture res) without a letter @ the end of the number?

And, where does HD start @? ...720i, 720p, 1080i or 1080p?

Last, how come they don't have DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 and/or 7.1 sound? ...Like we do on 90% of all our Blu-rays. ...Too much bandwidth required?
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Streaming is done progressively and HD is considered to be 720p or higher. DTS MA requires a lot more bandwidth, a valuable commodity when it comes to digital media.


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Streaming is done progressively and HD is considered to be 720p or higher. DTS MA requires a lot more bandwidth, a valuable commodity when it comes to digital media.

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Ok Ian; 720p is HD. Now when you stream from Netflix, does it say 1080 or 1080p ? ...This is also what I would like to know.
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As for the audio quality; I understand...needs more bandwidth, and audio always take a back seat when you stream*...nobody cares about quality audio.

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AFAIK, all Netflix is encoded as either 24p (the vast majority), 25p (British television) or 30p (mostly old television). How the streaming device outputs the video to your television depends both upon its capabilities and the television's; most devices are only capable of output at 60Hz and many televisions can't accept a 24Hz signal even if the device can give it one. I recently got a television which can accept a 24p signal and display it by straight frame replication (5:5 pulldown) without the judder effect some can detect in 2:3 pulldown employed to display 24p at 60Hz (even frames displayed twice, odd frames displayed 3 times or vice-versa). I'm not particularly sensitive to judder but it gives me warm fuzzies to know that the video I'm viewing isn't being subjected to 2:3 pulldown, so I'm partial to devices which can output 24p content as a 24Hz signal now, making TiVo Roamio my current favorite device for streaming Netflix, Amazon and VUDU now. My WD TV Live Streaming is my favorite device for playing 24p video from files on a USB drive.

Some small subset of titles have HD encodes but only 720p ones; most titles marked as being in HD have both.

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Let say that you live in North America (Canada & USA), and you have Netflix HD. ...High Speed Internet (50-100 Mbps).

When you check info; what do you see on top...1080 or 1080p ?

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Let say that you live in North America (Canada & USA), and you have Netflix HD. ...High Speed Internet (50-100 Mbps).

When you check info; what do you see on top...1080 or 1080p ?

That little display (which is debugging information and not a documented part of the UI) will simply say "1080"; "P" would be redundant since the encode is always progressive. It used to say "1080 HD" (at one point "1080 Super HD"), but they removed the "HD" because it too was redundant and occasionally there'd be a bug which would get "1080 SD" displayed, causing no end of confusion and bogus complaints from people who used this unsupported feature.

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That little display (which is debugging information and not a documented part of the UI) will simply say "1080"; "P" would be redundant since the encode is always progressive. It used to say "1080 HD" (at one point "1080 Super HD"), but they removed the "HD" because it too was redundant and occasionally there'd be a bug which would get "1080 SD" displayed, causing no end of confusion and bogus complaints from people who used this unsupported feature.
Finally, thank you! ... 1080 ... and without a "p" ... and no "HD" and no "SD" either.

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Finally, thank you! ... 1080 ... and without a "p" ... and no "HD" and no "SD" either.

Okay--why was that so important to you?

I need to take a picture of the way that looks now and put it up on Photobucket; the one that I have a link to (this) unfortunately features the "SD bug", stating "2160 SD" (as if "1080 SD" weren't confusing enough ). I can't for the life of me find another picture of the current format online.

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Because one of my buddies kept asking me. ...He wasn't sure of what he was getting...into.

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Because one of my buddies kept asking me. ...He wasn't sure of what he was getting...into.

What? He was just seeing "1080" by itself and found that to be confusing?

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What? He was just seeing "1080" by itself and found that to be confusing?
Hey Michael, you're the expert; my friend he's just a geek who knows nothing farther than his own nose.
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Hey Michael, you're the expert; my friend he's just a geek who knows nothing farther than his own nose.
Since streaming is progressive, just tell him to ignore the letters. However, since the majority of broadcasts are displayed in either 1080i, or 720p, the letter designation actually means something.



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Since streaming is progressive, just tell him to ignore the letters.
However, since the majority of broadcasts are displayed in either 1080i, or 720p, the letter designation actually means something.

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You have to qualify to lease a BMW also. Plasma TV uses 3x electricity of LCD. Streaming and physical media sales/rental will strike a balance in the marketplace. Your arguments against that are are weak to non-existent.
Do you believe that, let's say, in 10-15 years physical media will be anything more than a niche / boutique product, much like vinyl LP's .. ?? Or even in less than 10 years .. ??


Each generation of folks that grow into adults are the people that define the tech .. thus, that defines the progression .. IOW, it ends up being what the prime consumer demographic wants ..
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Do you believe that, let's say, in 10-15 years physical media will be anything more than a niche / boutique product, much like vinyl LP's .. ?? Or even in less than 10 years .. ??


Each generation of folks that grow into adults are the people that define the tech .. thus, that defines the progression .. IOW, it ends up being what the prime consumer demographic wants ..

It really depends on what the state of our internet is by then. I'm hoping that broadband will be in a state that allows for physical media to go away but I have my doubts.
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Physical media will always remain the whipping cream ... 4K --- 8K --- 16K --- 32K --- 64K ... we'll be gone, others will be here.
The Internet won't get much better, only faster, but worst with more traffic jams, and speeding tickets.

The future is expansion in a free space, away from constraints.

I think. And Netflix is no more in few years from now; another streaming service will replace it. ...With more freedom, more recent titles, more CHOICES.
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Do you believe that, let's say, in 10-15 years physical media will be anything more than a niche / boutique product, much like vinyl LP's .. ?? Or even in less than 10 years .. ??


Each generation of folks that grow into adults are the people that define the tech .. thus, that defines the progression .. IOW, it ends up being what the prime consumer demographic wants ..
You even quoted me saying pretty much exactly that. duh

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It really depends on what the state of our internet is by then. I'm hoping that broadband will be in a state that allows for physical media to go away but I have my doubts.
94% of urban areas are served by at least a 25Mbps which is considered to be the baseline for the most benefits from high speed .. the problem is the lack of competition and the resulting lack of more affordable connections ..


There are also many States that, in essence, help the ISP's maintain a monopoly by prohibiting a more Community Based infrastructure ..


Since we as a Country, continue to demand real Broadband access at affordable prices, I remain hopeful that the future will eventually accommodate the consumer, as it has in areas outside the USA ..

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You even quoted me saying pretty much exactly that. duh

So you agree physical media will devolve to a niche / boutique product at some point .. personally, I don't see that as a "balance" .. a balance would be some sort of equilibrium .. I guess it just depends on your definition .. if 95% of content is delivered VIA a streaming provider and 5% is physical media, I just don't see "balance"


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vinyl is a bit different because it has strong nostalgic value and the audiophile crowd is a bit more zealous (some may say crazy). BD, however, is mostly a quality play. I don't know if it will ever be cool or hip to own a BD. I don't get any warm and fuzzy feeling handling a compact disc. But that is neither here nor there. The question is will be it profitable. How large does the physical media market have to be to make producing them worthwhile.

On the other hand...

As early as a couple years ago people like Mark Cuban declared physical media dead and streaming is where it's going. People act like bandwidth follows Moore's law. But I don't think the cable and telco companies will just sit back and let people feed at their broadband trough. Expect bandwidth cap and metered usage. 4k will be over compressed just like everything that went before. ditto 8k if we ever see it in our lifetime.

Thing with physical media is it never drops and never down res because you're watching in primetime or somebody else in the house is downloading something. I guess there's also download to local storage but if you're going to wait four hours you may as well just order the disc with Amazon prime for next day delivery.
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