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I was grandfathered in to the $7.99/month 2-screen price and UHD access (having accessed their UHD library prior to their requiring the 4-screen plan for that); that guarantee is very comforting .
As you have said before. This until they add new services and call it a new plan.
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Anyone's Netflix streaming crap tonight. I watched Leverage right away in HD. The after 9PM right during Psych the quality turned to mud. I tried my PS4, and Apple TV and now Fire TV stick and all I can get is that godawful 240p. I called Netflix and they were useless the lady on the phone blamed my internet connection but I told her that I get 55 down and that I can stream other services in HD no problems. She then said but I am streaming Orange is the new "Crap" well that's why.
What ISP do you have? It could have been congestion between your ISP and Netflix's server, or just getting assigned to an overloaded server.

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As you have said before. This until they add new services and call it a new plan.

They don't have an accurate name for it now; they call it "2-screens + HD" without mentioning the UHD, as they do in the name of the 4-screen plan. Some forum member got 4-screens when they were apparently testing it and still has it at the 2-screen price.

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What ISP do you have? It could have been congestion between your ISP and Netflix's server, or just getting assigned to an overloaded server.
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After I made some minor adjustments to my router about a month ago, I haven't experienced any issues with picture quality.
What router do you have and what adjustments did you make.

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I rebooted my router and it improved the stream I was able to get 1080p. Weird how it did not affect the other services. I hope rebooting is not a placebo effect as trouble starts tomorrow at 9 PM.
Especially with my previous router, I noticed that after a few months the Netflix channel on my original-generation Roku would start having various issues. If more threads are used by Netflix for retrieval than for other services, I could imagine a reboot of the router fixing an issue where the router's NAT table was filling up, and indeed when I start noticing the Netflix channel (or the Netflix App on my Smart TV) start having odd issues, rebooting the router usually fixes it.

Back when the modem I was renting was DOCSIS 2, rebooting the modem during congested evening times often restored the expected throughput. Now that the "gateway" I am renting incorporates a DOCSIS 3 modem, I haven't noticed local congestion, probably because instead of locking into only one download QAM channel at bootup and being stuck at that until the next reboot, DOCSIS 3 establishes (in my case) eight download QAM channels so congestion on just a few of those QAM channels don't affect my download rate.

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I rebooted my router and it improved the stream I was able to get 1080p. Weird how it did not affect the other services. I hope rebooting is not a placebo effect as trouble starts tomorrow at 9 PM.
I've tried rebooting my U-Verse gateway but then looked the IP address and it was always the same as if U-Verse is static IP. Lately all I've seen is problems with "popular" titles where a lot of people are trying to get the same movie. It's like there are only so many ports allocated for that title on the servers. Summer's here and the neighborhood kids will be piling on in the evening so I'll see how it goes. It appears I have fiber to pole.
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I've tried rebooting my U-Verse gateway but then looked the IP address and it was always the same as if U-Verse is static IP.
I have the same issue and contacted Cablevision. A tech told me the IP does change, but infrequently.

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Why worry if the IP changes on reboot?

When the router is rebooted the local IP address might change, or the modem is rebooted the public IP might change, but that has nothing to do with NAT tables nor with which QAM channels are allocated.

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I updated my router firmware yesterday and my IP address changed but later when I upgraded my modem to a 16 channel one my IP address stayed the same.

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I updated my router firmware yesterday and my IP address changed but later when I upgraded my modem to a 16 channel one my IP address stayed the same.
It may vary a bit with each ISP or type of service, but typically the IP address is tied to the MAC address of the router or computer connected to the modem. In a gateway device, the router is built-in, so you may not be able to manually change the MAC. With a separate router/computer, the ISP's DHCP server sees a different MAC, so gives out a different IP. If you have a separate router, you can often manually change it's default MAC to match something else (by copying the connected computer) or manually typing one in, and the modem/ISP will never think anything changed.

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It may vary a bit with each ISP or type of service, but typically the IP address is tied to the MAC address of the router or computer connected to the modem. In a gateway device, the router is built-in, so you may not be able to manually change the MAC. With a separate router/computer, the ISP's DHCP server sees a different MAC, so gives out a different IP. If you have a separate router, you can often manually change it's default MAC to match something else (by copying the connected computer) or manually typing one in, and the modem/ISP will never think anything changed.
My router provides an option for resetting the IP address, but I never found a use for it.

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IP addresses were usually on "lease" so when you reset a modem or gateway you would often get a different address. I some cases that might improve your connection. IT networking is not my specialty but some of techs around here might be able to tell you how it works. But we're also just about to run out of IPv4 and most are already set (and using) IPv6 where you would supposedly always have the same address.

Companies charged more for static IPs (I had one for a while with Earthlink for business reasons). They didn't want to give them out to everyone because they feared some could run a server out of their house with a static IP.
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Streaming was surprisingly good last couple of nights. The only thing was that the videos did not start out in HD like they usually do but once ramped up they stayed in HD. I really only watched Netflix last night until about 9:30 PM then I watched a program on Amazon Instant then played my PS4 so I don't know it it went to crap thanks to OITN"Lame".

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Saw an article that Level3 ran into some issues on Friday:
Level 3 outage slows down the internet
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I don't know where you find these things but I could not find crap about it online because everything happening is on social media which I don't follow because of all the profanity on there. As usual calling Netflix is useless always blaming my ISP. I am not even going to bother calling them anymore. I will only call them if I am having problems with my account like billing issues.

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Streaming was surprisingly good last couple of nights. The only thing was that the videos did not start out in HD like they usually do but once ramped up they stayed in HD. I really only watched Netflix last night until about 9:30 PM then I watched a program on Amazon Instant then played my PS4 so I don't know it it went to crap thanks to OITN"Lame".
Are these recently released titles? "Daredevil" was still grainy which might be an older codec whereas "El Gringo" was great PQ as was "Free the Nipple". Might be an improved codec as I can't seem them boosting the bitrate without letting subscribers know (in case they might rack up enough to get capped by the evil doers).
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Yesterday during Arrow it turned to mud. I did ramp up but it still ticked me of. Netflix really needs to get rid of encodes lower than 480p and yes I rather have it buffer then go to a unwatchable picture.

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Yesterday during Arrow it turned to mud. I did ramp up but it still ticked me of. Netflix really needs to get rid of encodes lower than 480p and yes I rather have it buffer then go to a unwatchable picture.
480P can look like crap too,. depending on the setup and how far away from the screen you are viewing.

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480P can look like crap too,. depending on the setup and how far away from the screen you are viewing.
And it can depend on the source material. I had seen some excellent 480p material (try streaming the original "Mission: Impossible" TV show; the stream I got on my first-generation Roku four years ago to my former HDTV looked very good, so good that I suspect they went back to the 35mm film to generate the streams. Contrast that to my current HDTV streaming a 480p stream, the first episode of "Golden Years", and it was awful with most horizontal movement breaking up with jagged and comb-like appearance on the edges of moving boundaries, just as if the stream was a simple digitizing of the odd lines followed by the digitizing of the even lines. (I stopped after the first episode, not because of the poor interlace artifacts, but because the story was dragging on and I didn't feel like enduring another 6 episodes before a payoff, if any.)

Anyway, today I paid attention to the resolutions the TV reported when ramping up when starting "Eve of Destruction":
  • 240
  • 288
  • 384
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  • 720
  • 1080
I could definitely do without the first two (240 & 288)

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Netflix runs on lots of devices, probably even some old smart phones with 240 lines. I also wouldn't want Netflix to push 1080p to such a device, eating up my data plan. I vote we leave well enough alone and live with the occasional ramping. It's only TV after all, and it looks great 99.9% of the time, for me at least.
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And it can depend on the source material. I had seen some excellent 480p material (try streaming the original "Mission: Impossible" TV show; the stream I got on my first-generation Roku four years ago to my former HDTV looked very good, so good that I suspect they went back to the 35mm film to generate the streams.
The old MI tv series is, in fact, streaming in HD. CBS/Paramount supplied Netflix with HD, after remastering it in high definition, following the footsteps of their HD conversion of the original Star Trek.

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Are these recently released titles? "Daredevil" was still grainy which might be an older codec whereas "El Gringo" was great PQ as was "Free the Nipple". Might be an improved codec as I can't seem them boosting the bitrate without letting subscribers know (in case they might rack up enough to get capped by the evil doers).
I didn't find Daredevil all that grainy. Some film directors actually prefer it that way.

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And it can depend on the source material. I had seen some excellent 480p material (try streaming the original "Mission: Impossible" TV show; the stream I got on my first-generation Roku four years ago to my former HDTV looked very good, so good that I suspect they went back to the 35mm film to generate the streams. Contrast that to my current HDTV streaming a 480p stream, the first episode of "Golden Years", and it was awful with most horizontal movement breaking up with jagged and comb-like appearance on the edges of moving boundaries, just as if the stream was a simple digitizing of the odd lines followed by the digitizing of the even lines. (I stopped after the first episode, not because of the poor interlace artifacts, but because the story was dragging on and I didn't feel like enduring another 6 episodes before a payoff, if any.)

Anyway, today I paid attention to the resolutions the TV reported when ramping up when starting "Eve of Destruction":
  • 240
  • 288
  • 384
  • 480
  • 720
  • 1080
I could definitely do without the first two (240 & 288)
Anything along the video chain between the source and the display, can effect PQ. Even the quality of the video transfer. For example, The Following on FOX looked rather grainy, with a lot of dithering on my Panasonic pdp. Yet FOX's Wayward Pine's is much cleaner with more pop.

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The old MI tv series is, in fact, streaming in HD. CBS/Paramount supplied Netflix with HD, after remastering it in high definition, following the footsteps of their HD conversion of the original Star Trek.

Nonetheless, I streamed most of Mission: Impossible (TV series) in SD by using the secret bit override screen on the original generation Roku. (It works for "advanced streams" that the original generations of Roku Digital Video Players used; it does not work for the "adaptive streams" that the more recent Roku Digital Video Players use.) I was doing a lot of streaming in those days and I was keeping my eye on the monthly data usage. That's 171 52-minute episodes from April to June in 2011, all viewed on my (then) 46-in Samsung HDTV.

The point was that even if the stream is an SD stream, it is possible that, if taken from an excellent source (and both Mission: Impossible and the original Star Trek were filmed on 35mm stock at Desilu Studios), it can look beautiful! But if an SD stream is taken from a bad source, it will look bad.

(Of course, an SD stream still doesn't have quite the detail that a 720p stream would have, which is the max resolution the Netflix channel on my original model, original generation Roku can handle. Nor does even that have quite the detail that a 1080p stream that my current Visio 50-in Smart TV pulls in.)

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I believe that Daredevil has intention digital "film grain" added. The grain is quite noticeable in the 2160p encode (which kind of makes 2160p useless for the title ). It's an artistic decision. They used that in the interior scenes of the reimagined Battlestar Galactica because they wanted that combat documentary look but couldn't afford to use film production, which was more expensive than digital. I'm not sure what drives the decision in the case of Daredevil.
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Netflix runs on lots of devices, probably even some old smart phones with 240 lines. I also wouldn't want Netflix to push 1080p to such a device, eating up my data plan. I vote we leave well enough alone and live with the occasional ramping. It's only TV after all, and it looks great 99.9% of the time, for me at least.
240p looks horrible on every device even phones and I wish they would just get rid of it. I rather have audio only then if I was on mobile network which I don't even attempt as it uses data.

As for 480p SD streams some do look great as the way they are encoded they look just like the DVD source. It seems however HD content that drops down to 480p looks worse then lets say the DVD of the series. It is like they skimp on encodes lower than 1080p and they think we are all stupid and blind that we don't know the difference.

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I believe that Daredevil has intention digital "film grain" added. The grain is quite noticeable in the 2160p encode (which kind of makes 2160p useless for the title ). It's an artistic decision. They used that in the interior scenes of the reimagined Battlestar Galactica because they wanted that combat documentary look but couldn't afford to use film production, which was more expensive than digital. I'm not sure what drives the decision in the case of Daredevil.
It doesn't work well for streaming codecs. If a director wants that it should be more exaggerated and use sparingly perhaps to set a scenario that occurred at a previous time from the story. "El Gringo" used such techniques appropriately including blown out scenes ala grindhouse. No one watching would think there is anything wrong with their TV that way as they might seeing grain they don't usually see on a whole episode.

The kind of grain I'm talking about is well known if you shoot video in low light. You will get a very grainy image. Some of the titles Netflix has would show a crystal clear image for well lit scenes but go grainy on low lit. It was not intentional but due to the difficulty of encoding an image like that (the original might not have been grainy). The recent titles including Sense8 did not have this.
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The kind of grain I'm talking about is well known if you shoot video in low light. You will get a very grainy image. Some of the titles Netflix has would show a crystal clear image for well lit scenes but go grainy on low lit. It was not intentional but due to the difficulty of encoding an image like that (the original might not have been grainy). The recent titles including Sense8 did not have this.

You're right--low-light digital video is exactly the level of graininess in Daredevil but it's in every scene, regardless of the level of light.

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I wish directors would keep in mind not everyone has uber expensive studio quality displays they do. The low light scenes are challenging enough for your average LCD. No need to add fake grain.
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