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So you're streaming Netflix with your PC (I advise the use of the Win8 app or the HDMI5 player in IE11 on Win8 since you can get 1080p video from them; you can get bitstreamed DD+ 5.1 sound out of the app). You're not complaining about the resolution that you're getting, but about apparent SOE. You seem to be quoting this review on hdtvtest.co.uk about the Samsung UE55D8000 LED TV. Sounds as if you need to play around with the "Motion Plus" and "Blur Reduction" settings on your television to eliminate that. SOE is not something inherent in Netflix's video; streaming from apps and the website on this PC I don't see it.
When I set HDMI 1 input as DVI PC and all motiones feaures are off by default and all greyed out. But I found this that explains more of the "problem" and seems cant be fixed. Watching on mine tablet is the same, so it have nothing to do with motions features.

"If you turned off the auto motion plus feature, what you see isn't the soap opera effect. It is probably judder caused by the 3:2 pulldown, which all movies have on Netflix. While Netflix does support 24p, the client software side of it doesn't because they still output at 60fps."

http://www.rtings.com/info/what-is-t...-effect-on-tvs

I guess that I just cancel after 1 months trial is over. All "movie effect" is gone and its like watching a reality show all over again.
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When I set HDMI 1 input as DVI PC and all motiones feaures are off by default and all greyed out. But I found this that explains more of the "problem" and seems cant be fixed. Watching on mine tablet is the same, so it have nothing to do with motions features.

"If you turned off the auto motion plus feature, what you see isn't the soap opera effect. It is probably judder caused by the 3:2 pulldown, which all movies have on Netflix. While Netflix does support 24p, the client software side of it doesn't because they still output at 60fps."

http://www.rtings.com/info/what-is-t...-effect-on-tvs

I guess that I just cancel after 1 months trial is over. All "movie effect" is gone and its like watching a reality show all over again.
Get a plasma.

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HDMI out of my Windows 7 Acer works with my 55" LED set as well as with HDMI out of some of my Android devices. Problem with the Acer was getting sound working as the drivers seemed to be a bit of a kludge and other folks had difficultly getting it working. But it was more of an experiment than a solution.
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This Vizio P602ui-B3 60" 4K LED display is my only PC monitor. Its HDMI output is run into my AVR and from there into the TV. I only get SOE when viewing any video from any source when I use the TV's "Smooth Motion Effect" feature, which I never do because I can't stand SOE. Of course, it's also present in video shot at 60Hz, but that's generally live events where it seems natural.

If dt744190 thinks that he sees SOE from any Netflix video on any device then he should cancel the service. Nothing Netflix is doing is causing it and I've never heard anyone make that claim before.
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This video explains excatly what Im seeing on Netflix.

On right side On is this soap opera effect I meant. Not all Netlfix contents have this effect, but most of it and I cant find anyway to change it.
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Your negative reaction to Jupiter Ascending seems to be the norm. More that 86,000 IMDb voters have given it an average score of 5.5 Stars out of 10. To say the least, that's not good.
Although there was no internet back then, FLASH GORDON was almost universally panned and reviled when it was released. Today, many have a different opinion. I'd put JUPITER in the same basket as FLASH, Hooper's INVADERS FROM MARS, DUNE, etc. While I didn't love JA, some of it was quite a hoot, including Redmayne's campy villain and Terry Gilliam's appearance. And the visuals (especially in 3D) were terrific. A bit of alcohol may help as well. :-)
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If dt744190 thinks that he sees SOE from any Netflix video on any device then he should cancel the service. Nothing Netflix is doing is causing it and I've never heard anyone make that claim before.

Ditto .. it's confusing to me as well ..

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This video explains excatly what Im seeing on Netflix.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=882c25af2hM

On right side On is this soap opera effect I meant. Not all Netlfix contents have this effect, but most of it and I cant find anyway to change it.
Granted, I'm watching this YouTube clip on a 24" Monitor, but the right side looks substantially better than the left side ..

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Ditto .. it's confusing to me as well ..



Granted, I'm watching this YouTube clip on a 24" Monitor, but the right side looks substantially better than the left side ..
Since I'm watching it on a 15 inch laptop, I can't see much difference. Would have to use my smart TV's You Tube app, however, I am familiar with SOE, and most Netflix content, even on my bedroom 60hz LCD, doesn't have that effect.

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Since I'm watching it on a 15 inch laptop, I can't see much difference. Would have to use my smart TV's You Tube app, however, I am familiar with SOE, and most Netflix content, even on my bedroom 60hz LCD, doesn't have that effect.

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To my knowledge, I've never experienced it on NF either .. having had a wife at one time that religiously watched "General Hospital", I am also familiar with the "look" ..
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Although there was no internet back then, FLASH GORDON was almost universally panned and reviled when it was released. Today, many have a different opinion. I'd put JUPITER in the same basket as FLASH, Hooper's INVADERS FROM MARS, DUNE, etc. While I didn't love JA, some of it was quite a hoot, including Redmayne's campy villain and Terry Gilliam's appearance. And the visuals (especially in 3D) were terrific. A bit of alcohol may help as well. :-)
Was there an extended version for Jupiter Ascending? When I watched the 3D BD recently I forgot to look for one. Because while watching the movie it seemed that a lot of stuff was cut out since a lot of it made no sense. It seemed like there should have been 30 to 60 minutes of extra content to help the story line make more sense. Or to make character decisions make more sense.
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Was there an extended version for Jupiter Ascending? When I watched the 3D BD recently I forgot to look for one. Because while watching the movie it seemed that a lot of stuff was cut out since a lot of it made no sense. It seemed like there should have been 30 to 60 minutes of extra content to help the story line make more sense. Or to make character decisions make more sense.
That's just Wachowski magic.
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Was there an extended version for Jupiter Ascending? When I watched the 3D BD recently I forgot to look for one. Because while watching the movie it seemed that a lot of stuff was cut out since a lot of it made no sense. It seemed like there should have been 30 to 60 minutes of extra content to help the story line make more sense. Or to make character decisions make more sense.
No extended version. EXODUS could use one as well.
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I finally found the time to start watching Dare Devil again this week, and as with Marco Polo, some of the scenes are so sharp and detailed, they look almost 3D like. Although my set is not UHD, the UHD tech looks fantastic on my Panasonic pdp. Everything should be shot in UHD.

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is there an up to date list of devices that support Netflix 24p please ?

I've found

Panasonic ZT60 built in-ap - streams at 24p !- but not great to use, and disables pixel orbiter grr
Chromecast - 1080p, 60hz, D.D+ - very convenient to use (my preferred atm)
problems with PS4 streaming Netflix (seemed to be in stereo?)
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I finally found the time to start watching Dare Devil again this week, and as with Marco Polo, some of the scenes are so sharp and detailed, they look almost 3D like. Although my set is not UHD, the UHD tech looks fantastic on my Panasonic pdp. Everything should be shot in UHD.

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They've been shooting in 4K and 5K for some time not to mention films like "The International" shot on 65mm film and ones shot on 70mm.

Gotta 4K camcorder yet? They aren't even expensive anymore.
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They've been shooting in 4K and 5K for some time not to mention films like "The International" shot on 65mm film and ones shot on 70mm.
Tell that to HBO. Game Of Thrones and True Detective are great series, but they don't match Netflix's original content picture quality.

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is there an up to date list of devices that support Netflix 24p please ?

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Panasonic ZT60 built in-ap - streams at 24p !- but not great to use, and disables pixel orbiter grr
Chromecast - 1080p, 60hz, D.D+ - very convenient to use (my preferred atm)
problems with PS4 streaming Netflix (seemed to be in stereo?)
Just search this thread for 24p.

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As stated, to this point not many devices can output Netflix as a 24p signal (sadly, my new television's smart TV apps seem to deliver 24p video to it as a 60Hz signal ). Of devices I own, my 2012 Panasonic DMP-BDT220, WD TV Live Streaming, TiVo Roamio and TiVo Premiere can output 24p Netflix, VUDU and Amazon (not on TV Live) as a 24Hz signal. For that reason TiVo Roamio is my current favorite streamer for those services. I only use the TV's smart apps if I want to view something in 2160p (aka "4K") from Netflix or Amazon.
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From the above list I own the WDTV Live which does 24p and I recently acquired a Tivo Roamio OTA which also does 24p.

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Tell that to HBO. Game Of Thrones and True Detective are great series, but they don't match Netflix's original content picture quality.

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There really is a substantial difference in quality on these and others when you compare the CATV feed to the BD versions .. I don't know what res HBO uses when filming, but the BD's are flat out gorgeous PQ and SQ wise ..

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Production companies always like to use high quality acquisition equipment as long as there is a budget for it. Recoding can make things look darker especially if it is a budget recode. I recall when HBO switched to MP4 streams which meant locally that Comcast had to recode them to MPEG-2 transport streams.
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Production companies always like to use high quality acquisition equipment as long as there is a budget for it. Recoding can make things look darker especially if it is a budget recode. I recall when HBO switched to MP4 streams which meant locally that Comcast had to recode them to MPEG-2 transport streams.
I have noticed that despite the fact that HBO GO is in 1080p, most content still looks better on Directv.

Since Netflix OC is now shot in UHD, I'm wondering if they output the higher 4:4:4 chroma subsampling rate even with 1080p, and if that CSSR can be processed by certain steaming devices and most smart TV's. BD's are limited to the 4:4:2 CSSR even though most players output 4:4:4. If I set my set to pixel direct via HDMI it accepts the 4:4:4 CSSR, but it makes no difference in PQ since it's just up-converted by the player.

Update: New BD's are showing the higher 4:4:4 CSSR on my player. My bad.


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Tell that to HBO. Game Of Thrones and True Detective are great series, but they don't match Netflix's original content picture quality.

You can see a list of television shot with RED 4K-and-higher res digital cameras here:

http://www.red.com/shot-on-red/television

There's a link at the top to get to a list of films. I don't know if other manufacturers of pro UHD cameras maintain lists like that.
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You can see a list of television shot with RED 4K-and-higher res digital cameras here:

http://www.red.com/shot-on-red/television

There's a link at the top to get to a list of films. I don't know if other manufacturers of pro UHD cameras maintain lists like that.
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You can see a list of television shot with RED 4K-and-higher res digital cameras here:

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There's a link at the top to get to a list of films. I don't know if other manufacturers of pro UHD cameras maintain lists like that.
Syfy's Defiance is shot with 4k cameras? I'm shocked to learn that, as it's picture quality over digital cable has never looked that impressive to me. Perhaps it looks better on blu ray?

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Syfy's Defiance is shot with 4k cameras? I'm shocked to learn that, as it's picture quality over digital cable has never looked that impressive to me. Perhaps it looks better on blu ray?

From the details on IMDb it sounds as though it were shot in 5K and mastered in 2K:

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If you look at its tech specs on IMDb, GoT was shot with 3 different types of cameras, only one of them >= 4K capable.

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I have noticed that despite the fact that HBO GO is in 1080p, most content still looks better on Directv.

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If it's anything like HBO Now it's streaming at about 4.7 Mbps, low end of the HD 1080p range IMO.

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Since Netflix OC is now shot in UHD, I'm wondering if they output the higher 4:4:4 chroma subsampling rate even with 1080p, and if that CSSR can be processed by certain steaming devices and most smart TV's.
Most 1080 distribution (BD, cable, satellite, IPTV, etc.) is done at 8, 4:2:0, there are exceptions like CBS satellite distribution to affiliate stations. I seriously doubt there are any current STB's or TV's with HEVC decoders (2160) that exceed 8, 4:2:0. It appears the new UHD BD format will be limited to 10, 4:2:0 but the data rate can be > 100 Mbps.
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Most 1080 distribution (BD, cable, satellite, IPTV, etc.) is done at 8, 4:2:0, there are exceptions like CBS satellite distribution to affiliate stations. I seriously doubt there are any current STB's or TV's with HEVC decoders (2160) that exceed 8, 4:2:0. It appears the new UHD BD format will be limited to 10, 4:2:0 but the data rate can be > 100 Mbps.
My set has a pixel direct setting that accepts 4:4:4 video. When viewing a BD recently, the disc info banner displayed the chroma subsampling as YCBCR 4:4:4 which is the player's current setting . 4:2:0 is not compatible with HDMI so they also offer a 4:4:2 and a RGB conversion setting. If 4:4:4 video is not available from UHD streams, then the You Tube video I posted wouldn't apply. The question then remains, why would video streams shot in 4k look better then 1080p HD content on a 1080p TV? This is the best answer I could find: 5 reasons to shoot in 4k
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with Defiance and other shows there is typically a night and day difference between how they look on cable/satellite and how they look on BD. And of course with 1080P Netflix streaming there is still a gigantic difference between that and the BD. The BD typically looks so much better.

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with Defiance and other shows there is typically a night and day difference between how they look on cable/satellite and how they look on BD. And of course with 1080P Netflix streaming there is still a gigantic difference between that and the BD. The BD typically looks so much better.
BD has a lot more bandwidth, so in most cases you will get better PQ. However, in terms of detail, not all BD's are created equal. I have found on my plasma that some streams shot in 4k can match or even exceed that of BD. In terms of digital compression artifacts like color banding and dithering, well that's another thing.

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