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Funny, it seems everybody's speeds drop a bit.


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They talk about that likely being because of the new algorithms they're employing when encoding the content.
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Yikes, Century Link is slower that the average for the slowest country Netflix currently indexes.

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And yet lately I've finally been getting reliable 2160 from Netflix. Of course, my complaint to the FCC might have helped that along!
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Netflix rolls out HDR with Marco Polo

Netflix quietly rolls out HDR show

I'm not surprised. This show already looks amazing on my Plasma.

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For the time being most streaming content is supported by Dolby Vision, but HDR 10 is a requirement for UHD Blu-ray authoring.

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I would say it's the opposite right now. Netflix has HDR10 and DV. Amazon has HDR10 and No DV. Vudu has DV and no HDR10. Sony Ultra HD has HDR10 and no DV. It seems like there are more streaming titles available in HDR10 than DV right now.

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As it should be, HDR10 is more prevalent in display tech right now and is mandatory on UHD blu-ray. Vudu using DV only is ridiculous.
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Netflix quietly rolls out HDR show

I'm not surprised. This show already looks amazing on my Plasma.

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That article mentions that Netflix would replace the 4K label with an HDR label. Anyone seen that yet? I haven't, but am wondering if my set needs a firmware update to enable it?

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That article mentions that Netflix would replace the 4K label with an HDR label. Anyone seen that yet? I haven't, but am wondering if my set needs a firmware update to enable it?
Yes. Marco Polo shows up as "HDR" now instead of "ULTRA HD 4K"

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Yes. Marco Polo shows up as "HDR" now instead of "ULTRA HD 4K"
Great. I'll look for that tonight.

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They talk about that likely being because of the new algorithms they're employing when encoding the content.
Indeed I am seeing smaller files indicating better encoding. Usually companies are conservative about using the new stuff because it might break on older devices resulting in more support calls. Sometimes you need to move on.
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I would say it's the opposite right now. Netflix has HDR10 and DV. Amazon has HDR10 and No DV. Vudu has DV and no HDR10. Sony Ultra HD has HDR10 and no DV. It seems like there are more streaming titles available in HDR10 than DV right now.
Except for UHD BD, it all seems like a crap shoot to me. I have three LCD's of which none are UHD. Until 4K OLED's become more affordable, my Plasma will continue to be my main TV.

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I would say it's the opposite right now. Netflix has HDR10 and DV. Amazon has HDR10 and No DV. Vudu has DV and no HDR10. Sony Ultra HD has HDR10 and no DV. It seems like there are more streaming titles available in HDR10 than DV right now.

I think that Amazon and Dolby issued PRs last month saying that Amazon was rolling out DV.

As long as Sony's service is only available to the subset of people using Sony televisions it doesn't count for much in re content available in HDR10. What's their current market share anyway? It certainly feels like consumer electronics is currently dominated by Samsung and LG, particularly when it comes to TVs.

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I think that Amazon and Dolby issued PRs last month saying that Amazon was rolling out DV.

As long as Sony's service is only available to the subset of people using Sony televisions it doesn't count for much in re content available in HDR10. What's their current market share anyway? It certainly feels like consumer electronics is currently dominated by Samsung and LG, particularly when it comes to TVs.
And Vizio, I believe Vizio has the largest volume of sales in the US.
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I watched the movie "Hush" and was surprised at the file size and bitrate which was around 2.6 Mbps yet still 1080 HD. Maybe they are using h265 on devices that support it like the Shield TV.
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^^ I watched this a few days ago as well. Using the Win 8 Netflix app the bitrate of the encode was 1780! I was so shocked at that-it looked pristine, it was unbelievable, so I tried it on IE. and the a/v stats display confirmed the bitrate was 1780.

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Per-title custom bit rate ladders at work.
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Per-title custom bit rate ladders at work.
An episode of Tiny House Hunters is now streaming at 6190!

Wish I knew the logic behind which size file they've created gets sent out in a particular streaming session...

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Hush is a really great horror movie btw. At least I loved it myself
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An episode of Tiny House Hunters is now streaming at 6190!

Wish I knew the logic behind which size file they've created gets sent out in a particular streaming session...

I suspect that there's fancy number crunching involved. The bit rate ladders can vary from episode-to-episode (true for The 100 and Jane the Virgin); the tech blog article suggested that they might eventually change it from scene-to-scene.

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The 100 showed on my router higher bandwidth then lower after but the picture quality was the same so I think you are right.

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You can check the bit rate ladders in the Win8 or Win10 Netflix app or in the web site player by left clicking the video to give it keyboard focus and typing CTRL-SHIFT-ALT-S. (If you do it in the web site player it's preferable to use Edge on Win10 or IE11 on Win8; I believe that none of the others can access the 1080p encodes).

I just check Season 1, Episode 1 of The 100 and its bit rate ladder tops out at 7500 Kbps (I believe that one or two of the lower bit rate encodes are also 1080p). The next lower bit rate on the ladder is 3830, so if your connection won't support 7500 Kbps (which'd need a little over 9000 Kbps to sustain, assuming 192 Kbps 5.1 sound) then you'll get the 3830 one, though your connection might have been good enough for the 5800 Kbps top of the previous fixed ladder. I've checked several episodes and all of their bit rate ladders top out at 7500 Kbps. Though every episode has the same top bit rate they vary a bit in the other numbers, with some episodes having more than others. Jane the Virgin varies a lot more.
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When it comes encoding video one can just choose a setting and encode the whole video with that setting. But there are a lot of switches that could be used even encoding h264. Often that "one setting for the whole video" may be wasting bits. So the next step would be a 3 pass system that would go through the video and select different switches for different sections and then do a 2 pass (or more) encode.
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As long as it prevents sub 480p fuzzy image especially under congestion I am happy.

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All I can say is the ladders are working and it's great .. my office can only get AT&T DSL since it's in a low density area and no company has been willing to drop the coin on new infrastructure .. however, I am now able to actually watch something without jerkiness and what not .. I'm certain it's no better than 720, yet it is quite clean and smooth at full screen .. no complaints here ..

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Thanks for the heads up on Hush. Me and my wife just got done watching the movie. We thoroughly enjoyed it.

One thing we liked was that because since she was deaf, and there wasn't a lot of dialogue, a lot of times we could debate, "what would you do?"
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Thanks for the heads up on Hush. Me and my wife just got done watching the movie. We thoroughly enjoyed it.

One thing we liked was that because since she was deaf, and there wasn't a lot of dialogue, a lot of times we could debate, "what would you do?"
The actress is a good signer. I wonder if she's deaf or hearing.

The character supposedly went dead at thirteen from illness. If that were the case, ought she not be able to talk to her friend?
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Question Roku Stick fails to go to stream HD until rewinding

I have two Roku streaming sticks one is brand new and the other I've had for almost a year. Lately they only seem to play in 480p. When I rewind the program to the previous frame, they both ramp right up to 1080 with out any more issues. I have the latest Netflix and Roku firmware on both and I have filed a complaint with Roku in regard to this problem. My account streaming setting is on high, I have Cablevision with Open Connect, and my average download speeds are in the 50+ meg range. I have two smart TV's (one has the older UI and the other with the new UI) and two PC's and they all stream in 1080p just fine. I also have an older Roku 2 XD , but it has a dated UI, so I don't bother using it for Netflix.

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Ive found every now and then when one hangs at 480, Ill back out to the movie menu, and then resume and it is fine the rest of the way. Odd but it happens every now and then.
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I have two Roku streaming sticks one is brand new and the other I've had for almost a year. Lately they only seem to play in 480p. When I rewind the program to the previous frame, they both ramp right up to 1080 with out any more issues
Same issues here. If I do what you did then it starts out in 1080p but it can spoil programs that have content that starts right away. Only my Apple TV 3rd and 4th gen and Fire TV 1st gen starts out right away in 1080p. I even reconnected my Fire TV 1st gen because I hate 480p mud widescreen videos.

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