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I'm on a 6o meg plan. I get a consistent 65 megs or higher on my Roku speed test and a minimum of 25 megs when doing the Netflix interface speed test using wifi. I have an Asus router, which independent reviews have shown, can still produce a significant amount of throughput even at distances over 100 feet using the 5ghz band.

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YouTube videos labeled 4K aren't always. Using their debug display I've seen over 40 Mbps with true 4K material. Same with HDR. Just because the title says HDR doesn't mean it is.

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YouTube videos labeled 4K aren't always. Using their debug display I've seen over 40 Mbps with true 4K material. Same with HDR. Just because the title says HDR doesn't mean it is.
Were those 40 Mbps videos h264? They've stopped using h264 for 4K and are exclusively VP9.
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Were those 40 Mbps videos h264? They've stopped using h264 for 4K and are exclusively VP9.
Couldn't say. It wasn't recently, so can't remember. I thought is was VP9, but version 1, not version 2 like they are using now for HDR.

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Couldn't say. It wasn't recently, so can't remember. I thought is was VP9, but version 1, not version 2 like they are using now for HDR.
YouTube Stops H.264 4K Encoding; Will Apple Get on Board?
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Blacklist Season 4 not playing back in 4K?

Is anyone else having an issue with The Blacklist Season 4 not streaming in 4K on the Roku Ultra (or otherwise)? I have 30Mbps speed but the Netflix debug screen shows my max is 7.1 Mbps and only sending 1080p. The Badge for the show does say Ultra UHD 4K. If I run the Netflix test pattern "movie" it goes up to 16 Mbps and shows 2160, so I know it is not my speed or device. Likewise other 4K shows on the Roku Ultra on Netflix are playing at 4K. So why not The Blacklist?? I tried on the Panasonic UB900 Netflix app, but it doesn't have any way (that I know of) to show you the resolution its outputting.
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Is anyone else having an issue with The Blacklist Season 4 not streaming in 4K on the Roku Ultra (or otherwise)? I have 30Mbps speed but the Netflix debug screen shows my max is 7.1 Mbps and only sending 1080p. The Badge for the show does say Ultra UHD 4K. If I run the Netflix test pattern "movie" it goes up to 16 Mbps and shows 2160, so I know it is not my speed or device. Likewise other 4K shows on the Roku Ultra on Netflix are playing at 4K. So why not The Blacklist?? I tried on the Panasonic UB900 Netflix app, but it doesn't have any way (that I know of) to show you the resolution its outputting.
I called Netflix today and spoke to a supervisor about the above issue. Unfortunately he could not offer any help, besides recommended I report the show on their website, which I did. I have a feeling such reports go into a blackhole, but I guess you never know. Here's what I wrote to them: "The Blacklist will not play back in 4K. Instead it will only go up to 1080p. I confirmed this on my Roku Ultra using the Debug screen overlay. It maxes out at 6.19 Mbps / 1080. However, your other 4K shows DO play back in 4K just fine. With these other shows the Debug info shows I am getting over 16 Mbps and 2160p. Likewise the Netflix test pattern confirms 16 Mbps and 2160p."

Has anyone else experienced this? Can anyone confirm that they are able to stream show 1 or 2 from Blacklist Season 4 in 4K?

I also tried from my Panasonic UB900 Netflix app, but I do not know of any way to check the resolution from that app (unlike the debug screen trick you can use on the Roku Ultra).

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Well I don't know if its a coincidence or if my report to Netflix made a difference, but tonight I was able to stream The Blacklist season 4 in 4K consistently, no problem.
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Well I don't know if its a coincidence or if my report to Netflix made a difference, but tonight I was able to stream The Blacklist season 4 in 4K consistently, no problem.
Yep. Last week I watched The Blacklist two part Season 4 finale in 4K with no problems.

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I called Netflix today and spoke to a supervisor about the above issue. Unfortunately he could not offer any help, besides recommended I report the show on their website, which I did. I have a feeling such reports go into a blackhole, but I guess you never know. Here's what I wrote to them: "The Blacklist will not play back in 4K. Instead it will only go up to 1080p. I confirmed this on my Roku Ultra using the Debug screen overlay. It maxes out at 6.19 Mbps / 1080. However, your other 4K shows DO play back in 4K just fine. With these other shows the Debug info shows I am getting over 16 Mbps and 2160p. Likewise the Netflix test pattern confirms 16 Mbps and 2160p."

Has anyone else experienced this? Can anyone confirm that they are able to stream show 1 or 2 from Blacklist Season 4 in 4K?

I also tried from my Panasonic UB900 Netflix app, but I do not know of any way to check the resolution from that app (unlike the debug screen trick you can use on the Roku Ultra).

Thanks!
I tried it last night and indeed episode 1 of season 4 played only 1080p. I will go check later episodes of season 4 to see if they are 4K. I watched "Manhunt:Unabomber" which was 4K. They do recommend you select Report Problem on your show list with issues like this. Not that they ever get fixed. I reported a problem years ago with a movie that was shown in unexpanded anamorphic. Checking weeks later it was still not fixed. Maybe the actors like looking that skinny.
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I'm ok with the price increase, as long as they're re-investing that money back into more content -either original or licensed- both are fine with me. And it's still offers much better value than my cable provider.
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T-Mobile is paying for our Netflix now so I'm assuming they will also cover the price increase(s).
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Even with the price increase, I still feel Netflix is a great value. That said, I may end up dropping them. It has nothing to do with the price increase, as I've been considering it for a few weeks. I have little to no interest in their original content, and the titles I do want to watch either keep disappearing or are available from Amazon.

Since I'll always be a Prime member simply for the free 2/1/same day shipping, it just seems that my Netflix account is seldom used. And of course I get UHD with my Amazon account for no extra charge, while Netflix wants a higher tier. 4K isn't that important to me. I only have one 4K TV and it is mostly used for streaming from my local server anyway. Wife isn't interested in Netflix anymore, and the grandkids find everything they want on Amazon.

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Even with the price increase, I still feel Netflix is a great value. That said, I may end up dropping them. It has nothing to do with the price increase, as I've been considering it for a few weeks. I have little to no interest in their original content, and the titles I do want to watch either keep disappearing or are available from Amazon.

Since I'll always be a Prime member simply for the free 2/1/same day shipping, it just seems that my Netflix account is seldom used. And of course I get UHD with my Amazon account for no extra charge, while Netflix wants a higher tier. 4K isn't that important to me. I only have one 4K TV and it is mostly used for streaming from my local server anyway. Wife isn't interested in Netflix anymore, and the grandkids find everything they want on Amazon.
wow thanks for the news.
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wow thanks for the news.
I think that's sarcasm, and yeah, I think I deserve it.

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I hope they actually put money in infrastructure and good original content, and not throw more obscene money at old comics. $100M to Seinfeld for a few comedy specials? Yikes. That's like a season of Game of Thrones. And how much for David Letterman to do six episodes of his old show? It's nuts. They'll never make that money back. If it's for PR they're better off just spending that money on straight up advertising.
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Netflix check network speed test always comes back low. Is this always like that?
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Netflix check network speed test always comes back low. Is this always like that?
if by low you mean not close to your "internet speed", that could very well be normal behavior. It has been discussed that the Netflix diagnostic speed test on the Roku often tops out at a speed sufficient for streaming their highest expected bitrate (~20-30 mbps is what comes to mind). So if it is 20 mbps or higher, that will probably max out Netflix streaming.

If you want specifics, you can check back in this thread, or it may have been on the Roku thread.

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Yep, Netflix actually tops out at 16 Mbps for UHD/HDR material. It will reach 2160 at about 9.5 Mbps, and will continue to 12-16 Mbps

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When checking download speeds at Fast.com which is Netflixs website I always get about 20Mbps slower speed than other sites.
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Anyone feel like Netflix has been starving bitrates with recent encodes? I'm noticing 1-2mbps max bitrate 1080p for their recent original Mindhunter, which is fine for the majority of the episodes, but there are several moments with significantly noticeable compression artifacts, something that never used to stand out with Netflix encodes before. I don't mind them being more efficient but hopefully they can get around to dynamic per-scene encoding optimization instead of per-title which they are currently doing, I know they had mentioned looking into it.
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I've been watching Mindhunter this week and noticed those really low bitrates as well. Like you, I thought the PQ looked fine for the most part with just a couple of instances of noticeable artifacting but I'm okay with that as the content is not one that I really care that much about the PQ. I would be surprised to see those low rates with something that has a lot of action and daylight scenes though.
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I've been watching Mindhunter this week and noticed those really low bitrates as well. Like you, I thought the PQ looked fine for the most part with just a couple of instances of noticeable artifacting but I'm okay with that as the content is not one that I really care that much about the PQ. I would be surprised to see those low rates with something that has a lot of action and daylight scenes though.
And I seen programs that were filmed on 16mm film at 7mbps or higher. Netflix has very inconsistent bit rates that waste bandwidth. Heck I even seen some SD programs at around 2mb.

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