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I recently bought a used a DMP-BDT220 off eBay to test its 24p output for streaming. It is a bit clunky but does actually work. The Netflix interface is very slow by today's standards, so I bought a DMP-BDT225 (stated to be identical to the DMP-BDT230) off Amazon for half price.

Unfortuantely it cannot stream at 24p. You can still play BDs at 24p, but not Netflix or Amazon. The interface on the DMP-BDT225 is improved and it is much faster, so it is a real shame that it cannot stream 24p.

With the awkward way it is implemented on the DMP-BDT220 for streaming I am not sure it was ever intended to be used with streaming.

I wonder what the big problem is with streaming 24p or streaming "direct."
I too am'm currently in the market for a blu-ray player which does network apps (netflix/amazon) at 24-30hz. I've tried
several of them, including the Panasonic DMP-BD225 you spoke of. What a great player, slick interface, fast! but
as you said: it will do dvd's and blu-rays at 24p, but not network apps. I also read that the older model
(DMP-BD220) would allow you to force network apps at 24hz.

I've personally used two Blu-Ray players that will output netflix/amazon at 24p:

Vizio VBR122 - Not a great player. Constant issues, slow interface, doesn't play all Blu-Rays. Bad reveiws on amazon.
However I've personally verified that it will do the network apps at 24 hz. (it also has a full mini-keyboard on the
back side of the remote which I think is a cool feature).

Samsung BD-H6500 - 4k upscalling version of latest samsung blu-ray players. It seems to me that any of the Samsungs
that have the Samsung Smart-Hub as opposed to the Opera app store will allow you to output network apps at 24p. I'm
not sure though, I've only personally verified the H6500.

I've tried a few other players, including the panasonic mentioned above and a couple of cheaper samsungs. They will
not output netflix or amazon at 24. I've also read the same about Sony blu-ray players, although not verified it
myself.

Any suggestions out there?
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DMP-BDT220 does allow you to force 24p output for IVOD apps but you have to enter a menu and enable 24p output every time you run an app before you start playing a title; it stays enabled until you exit the app. The same thing is true for DVDs; you have to enable 24p output after the DVD starts up. BDs automatically play in 24p if you've enabled that in the global settings (which you have to do to get the option to force it for DVDs and IVOD).

I'm surprised that they didn't carry that feature forward into future models (or even refine it such that you don't have to explicitly enable it).

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I've never had a problem with Roku. Been using it for years, never even replaced the devices (have them in a couple rooms)
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I've never had a problem with Roku. Been using it for years, never even replaced the devices (have them in a couple rooms)
Does this mean that roku will do 24p for netflix/amazon or other network streaming apps?
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Does this mean that roku will do 24p for netflix/amazon or other network streaming apps?
No. It only outputs at 60HZ

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No. It only outputs at 60HZ

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The Roku streaming stick that works in conjunction with late model Oppo Blu-ray players outputs 24p.
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The Roku streaming stick that works in conjunction with late model Oppo Blu-ray players outputs 24p.

Being the MHL stick which only works with rare MHL ports. I don't believe that the new HDMI stick outputs 24p.

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Being the MHL stick which only works with rare MHL ports. I don't believe that the new HDMI stick outputs 24p.
I don't think it does either. With the Oppo/Roku stick you can use the Oppo remote so it's basically an integrated Roku app with 24p output along with DD+ audio and is accessed right from the Oppo home-screen. Use a right angle HDMI adapter and it's very unobtrusive plugged into the front port.
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I don't think it does either. With the Oppo/Roku stick you can use the Oppo remote so it's basically an integrated Roku app with 24p output along with DD+ audio and is accessed right from the Oppo home-screen. Use a right angle HDMI adapter and it's very unobtrusive plugged into the front port.

I guess that since ccfallout is looking for a BDP with 24p Internet VOD output the Oppo+Roku MHL Stick is an alternative, albeit a very expensive one.

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I guess that since ccfallout is looking for a BDP with 24p Internet VOD output the Oppo+Roku MHL Stick is an alternative, albeit a very expensive one.
True, but worth every penny IMO. The media player function of it, while not as pretty UI-wise as others(basic drive/folder/file layout), has handled just about every file I've thrown at it with grace, something my WDTV Live was not always capable of. I've since parked my WDTV in a storage cabinet and my Roku 3 is likely headed to that storage cabinet as well. Plus, if he/she goes with the D model you get $300(retail) Darbee processing for only $100 over the base model Oppo. I've owned 3 Oppos previously and all of them have been worth the price paid. They also hold their value extremely well. End of sales pitch!
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True, but worth every penny IMO. The media player function of it, while not as pretty UI-wise as others(basic drive/folder/file layout), has handled just about every file I've thrown at it with grace, something my WDTV Live was not always capable of. I've since parked my WDTV in a storage cabinet and my Roku 3 is likely headed to that storage cabinet as well. Plus, if he/she goes with the D model you get $300(retail) Darbee processing for only $100 over the base model Oppo. I've owned 3 Oppos previously and all of them have been worth the price paid. They also hold their value extremely well. End of sales pitch!
Thanks for the suggestions. Looking at the Oppo players that you are referring to (BD-103 and BD-105 I think?) that are compatible with Roku stick, the prices are a bit out of my range. $500-$1400 range for the player. Then about $50 for the stick. The Samsung i was looking at is $117 this week due to black friday type sales. I understandthe Oppo player is of much better quality, and is a much more capable media player, but this time of year it's difficult to drop a k on yourself, if ya know what I mean.

Researching the subject here and elsewhere, it appears that my only other options would be WDLive which doesn't do Amazon Prime (or even netflix in the newest model), or Tivo which requires a subscription. Strange that more devices won't do 24hz. Especially considering my 2011 Vizio blu-ray player can do it.
I think I'm gonna stick with the samsung for now, unless I can find the older model panasonic from a reliable vendor with a return policy/warranty.
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Thanks for the suggestions. Looking at the Oppo players that you are referring to (BD-103 and BD-105 I think?) that are compatible with Roku stick, the prices are a bit out of my range. $500-$1400 range for the player. Then about $50 for the stick. The Samsung i was looking at is $117 this week due to black friday type sales. I understandthe Oppo player is of much better quality, and is a much more capable media player, but this time of year it's difficult to drop a k on yourself, if ya know what I mean.

Researching the subject here and elsewhere, it appears that my only other options would be WDLive which doesn't do Amazon Prime (or even netflix in the newest model), or Tivo which requires a subscription. Strange that more devices won't do 24hz. Especially considering my 2011 Vizio blu-ray player can do it.
I think I'm gonna stick with the samsung for now, unless I can find the older model panasonic from a reliable vendor with a return policy/warranty.
If your focus is 24p for Internet apps and the Samsung does what you want for $117 then that would be the way to go, hard to justify another $400-$500 for the Oppo.

For the record the Oppo I was referring to is the BDP-103D, the non-Darbee model is $100 less. The 105 models have an enhanced audio section.
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I too am'm currently in the market for a blu-ray player which does network apps (netflix/amazon) at 24-30hz. I've tried
several of them, including the Panasonic DMP-BD225 you spoke of. What a great player, slick interface, fast! but
as you said: it will do dvd's and blu-rays at 24p, but not network apps. I also read that the older model
(DMP-BD220) would allow you to force network apps at 24hz.

I've personally used two Blu-Ray players that will output netflix/amazon at 24p:


Samsung BD-H6500 - 4k upscalling version of latest samsung blu-ray players. It seems to me that any of the Samsungs
that have the Samsung Smart-Hub as opposed to the Opera app store will allow you to output network apps at 24p. I'm
not sure though, I've only personally verified the H6500.
How does the Samsung BD-H6500 implement 24p for streaming? Does it automatically detect the framerate and output accordingly or do you have to manually implement it? Will it send out 480p streaming for Netflix SD 480p?

Thanks.
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