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Just my two cents gentleman, but although 2160p offers more detail, it's negligible unless you have a very large set, or you like sitting very close to your screen. The difference comes down to HDR, which is paramount when it comes to providing a significant improvement in picture quality. It has been proven through countless reviews by professional calibrators, that UHD BD offers the best HDR experiance, even when comparing the best Dolby Vison streams to HDR10 Blu-Ray. Also, as good as 1080p streams have gotten, I have yet to see one that looks better then a top quality, 1080p Blu-Ray, on my Panasonic S60 PDP.

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And considering those logs also show 192kbps audio, I'll stick with discs. That's insanely low.

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Just my two cents gentleman, but although 2160p offers more detail, it's negligible unless you have a very large set, or you like sitting very close to your screen. The difference comes down to HDR, which is paramount when it comes to providing a significant improvement in picture quality. It has been proven through countless reviews by professional calibrators, that UHD BD offers the best HDR experiance, even when comparing the best Dolby Vison streams to HDR10 Blu-Ray. Also, as good as 1080p streams have gotten, I have yet to see one that looks better then a top quality, 1080p Blu-Ray, on my Panasonic S60 PDP.

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The question was about Netflix (and other services) using HEVC (or even VP9) for 1080p. Certainly know about UHD Disc but the players are still over priced and I doubt if I'll ever bother with one (unless it's free like my last two BD players were). Having experience in video and even creating and editing 4K I can tell the difference though the upscaling on my 4K set is very good when it comes to 1080p.

HDR is a bit up in the air at the moment since the Dolby Vision vs HDR is causing confusion. The price of HDR sets will need to come down a bit more.

Yes, 192 kbps audio is a bit thin. I always have turn up the audio on Netflix and down on VUDU. And being a musician can hear the difference.
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The question was about Netflix (and other services) using HEVC (or even VP9) for 1080p. Certainly know about UHD Disc but the players are still over priced and I doubt if I'll ever bother with one (unless it's free like my last two BD players were). Having experience in video and even creating and editing 4K I can tell the difference though the upscaling on my 4K set is very good when it comes to 1080p.

HDR is a bit up in the air at the moment since the Dolby Vision vs HDR is causing confusion. The price of HDR sets will need to come down a bit more.

Yes, 192 kbps audio is a bit thin. I always have turn up the audio on Netflix and down on VUDU. And being a musician can hear the difference.
I'm not saying 4k doesn't offer more detail, that's a fate accompli, but under normal viewing conditions, it has very little impact on over all PQ. According to the ISF, contrast is the number 1 contributor, while resolution finishes last. Hence the addition of HDR. Vudu's Dolby Vison with it's ample bandwidth, has become very competitive when compared to HDR10 BD. My buddy pro calibrator Lee Nielkirk (Review.com) did a comparison and concluded that certain streams offered by Vudu in Dolby Vison actually looked better then UHD BD (Sorry, Digitalfreak) This was probably due the original master's enhancements of Dolby's wider color gamut. Other titles however, did not offer the same results. Since Dolby Vison is coming to BD, we can only hope it will ultimately put an end to the PQ wars.

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I'm not saying 4k doesn't offer more detail, that's a fate accompli, but under normal viewing conditions, it has very little impact on over all PQ. According to the ISF, contrast is the number 1 contributor, while resolution finishes last. Hence the addition of HDR. Vudu's Dolby Vison with it's ample bandwidth, has become very competitive when compared to HDR10 BD. My buddy pro calibrator Lee Nielkirk (Review.com) did a comparison and concluded that certain streams offered by Vudu in Dolby Vison actually looked better then UHD BD (Sorry, Digitalfreak) This was probably due the original master's enhancements of Dolby's wider color gamut. Other titles however, did not offer the same results. Since Dolby Vison is coming to BD, we can only hope it will ultimately put an end to the PQ wars.

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4K is different from 1080p. I'm looking for evidence that 1080p is being encoded with HEVC. I'm aware of the various codecs but I don't think there's any truth to anything else you're saying. And, from all opinions I've heard, 4k Netflix is about on par with a Blu-ray. But you're still missing lossless sound. So there's that.

So, yeah, BD's are the best PQ when it comes to both 1080p and 4k.
I was wondering about this with a 1080P Netflix movie I watched recently. The highest encode bitrate was something like 2.5mbps for 1080P. And for the bitrate it looked similar to the 5.8mbps Netflix titles I had watched. So I was thinking they used HEVC.

I never got around to checking it on a non HEVC Device to see what that showed.

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There's more going on with the new codecs than just resolution. But around here we get a white flag waved at some of us if we get too geeky!
What white flag? We love geeks! Obviously the new codecs are more efficient. Garbage in, garbage out. I'm certain they have an impact on Vudu's HDR content.

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I was wondering about this with a 1080P Netflix movie I watched recently. The highest encode bitrate was something like 2.5mbps for 1080P. And for the bitrate it looked similar to the 5.8mbps Netflix titles I had watched. So I was thinking they used HEVC.

I never got around to checking it on a non HEVC Device to see what that showed.

That wouldn't necessarily mean that it's encoded in HEVC; they've been creating custom bit rate ladders per title (per episode of a series) based on an analysis of the video itself. You should check to see what the bit rate shows up as in Edge or the Windows Netflix app. Keep in mind that the bit rates on the embedded player debug display are based on powers of 2; 5800 Kbps will show up as 5.53 Mbps (5,800,000 / 2^20).

What was the movie?

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