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post #1261 of 1324 Old 06-20-2014, 12:47 PM
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Compatibility. You open all kinds of issues with compatibility using newer codecs that they probably don't have the resources to cover compared to Netflix.
You mean compatibility with the rest of their encoding tool chain?

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You mean compatibility with the rest of their encoding tool chain?
No.
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Then what do you mean? Incompatible with what?
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You are thinking too much like an engineer. Try thinking like marketing, sales or a CEO. Compatibility with ALL the devices that are out there. Netflix's chief business is more and more streaming and less and less discs. Amazon Instant is only a small part of their business so they are going to keep things simple as far as compatibility goes. You want as few support problems as possible in that situation. Netflix uses SuperHD as a marketing "whiz bang" to attract more subscribers even if they can only get a show in it part time.
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The whole point of eyeIO's encoder is that it gets more visually fidelity from H.264 at any bit rate as compared to other AVC encoders; it's presumably compatible with every AVC decoder out there. Most devices decode video in hardware which couldn't be updated to handle an incompatible encoding.

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Just discovered Rubicon on Amazon Prime Instant

The first three episodes definitely got us hooked - unfortunately it is showing it will expire in 10 days on Amazon Prime Instant - so we'll probably binge watch the rest of the series.

Episode 2 & 3 were 46 and 42 minutes and streamed on a FireTV with a total of 6,440.43 MB and average of ( 6,440.43 * 8 / 88 * 60) = 9.75 Mbps.

It looked really good - now here is the strange thing the 1080P logo never lit up - so maybe it was streaming 720P at 9.75 Mbps!

Titles that light up the 1080P logo on Amazon Instant on a FireTV (eg Marvels Avengers) seem to average an even higher 12 - 13 Mbps. When I have time I'll steam one of these shows and check the total for the show/movie,
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Just discovered Rubicon on Amazon Prime Instant

The first three episodes definitely got us hooked - unfortunately it is showing it will expire in 10 days on Amazon Prime Instant - so we'll probably binge watch the rest of the series.

Episode 2 & 3 were 46 and 42 minutes and streamed on a FireTV with a total of 6,440.43 MB and average of ( 6,440.43 * 8 / 88 * 60) = 9.75 Mbps.

It looked really good - now here is the strange thing the 1080P logo never lit up - so maybe it was streaming 720P at 9.75 Mbps!

Titles that light up the 1080P logo on Amazon Instant on a FireTV (eg Marvels Avengers) seem to average an even higher 12 - 13 Mbps. When I have time I'll steam one of these shows and check the total for the show/movie,
Great series! I'm still annoyed with AMC for canning this one, very intelligently written and had a great cast, just not enough viewers.
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As one TV reviewer said, a TV show with a character named Truxton Spangler should not be cancelled.
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As one TV reviewer said, a TV show with a character named Truxton Spangler should not be cancelled.
Absolutely, it's simply unforgivable that a TV show with a character called Truxton Spangler gets cancelled, it's blasphemy!
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Great series! I'm still annoyed with AMC for canning this one, very intelligently written and had a great cast, just not enough viewers.
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Absolutely, it's simply unforgivable that a TV show with a character called Truxton Spangler gets cancelled, it's blasphemy!
Yes and yes - just watched the final episode - one if the better US made TV shows we have seen in the last few years....

Kept you thinking throughout.....
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How would you all judge the Amazon quality relative to HBO Go? I have a Roku streaming stick and interested in if it'd be worth watching the HBO back catalog via Amazon instead of Go for better video/audio quality. Has anyone tried both to compare?
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How would you all judge the Amazon quality relative to HBO Go? I have a Roku streaming stick and interested in if it'd be worth watching the HBO back catalog via Amazon instead of Go for better video/audio quality. Has anyone tried both to compare?
I'd be interested in hearing your own comparison. Given the complexities of streaming, any comparison can't account for periodic variation in available bandwidth from one server to the next. So results might differ at different times. Programs via Prime will be 720p with DD audio, what are they via HBO-Go?
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Oh, I thought Amazon moved to 1080P. HBO Go apparently moved to 1080P DD do it is probably still the best then.
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How would you all judge the Amazon quality relative to HBO Go? I have a Roku streaming stick and interested in if it'd be worth watching the HBO back catalog via Amazon instead of Go for better video/audio quality. Has anyone tried both to compare?
As far as I can tell Amazon streaming movies still do not have Dolby Digital audio.
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I'll check tonight, but I'm sure my Sony S6200 does DD with Amazon Prime movie streaming. I know that the Panasonic blu-ray don't do DD. Maybe the newer model's do.

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I'll check tonight, but I'm sure my Sony S6200 does DD with Amazon Prime movie streaming. I know that the Panasonic blu-ray don't do DD. Maybe the newer model's do.
I've definitely had DD with Amazon before.
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I'll check tonight, but I'm sure my Sony S6200 does DD with Amazon Prime movie streaming. I know that the Panasonic blu-ray don't do DD. Maybe the newer model's do.
I am using a Panasonic P60ST60. It gives me DD with Netflix, but not with Amazon.
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How would you all judge the Amazon quality relative to HBO Go? I have a Roku streaming stick and interested in if it'd be worth watching the HBO back catalog via Amazon instead of Go for better video/audio quality. Has anyone tried both to compare?
It will depend if the Roku stick can get the Amazon Instant 1080P streams.

My experience using HBO Go on an Apple TV (3rd Generation) and Amazon Instant on a FireTV is that Amazon Instant on the Fire TV has noticeably better image quality. Amazon Instant on the FireTV is 1080P DD+ with an average bit rate of around 10 Mbps while the HBO Go streams on the Apple TV are also 1080P but with a bit rate of between 4 - 5 Mbps. However the real proof is not the measured bit rate but but the perceived image quality.

Given the choice here is my ranking for viewing HBO content - starting with lower quality.

HBO Go on Apple TV (I suspect the Apple TV is probably similar quality to other devices that support HBO Go)
HBO on DirecTV
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Blu-Ray (of course remains the best way to view the content)

Have you also seen imagics recent The Grand Budapest Hotel: Blu-ray vs. Vudu vs. iTunes vs. Amazon review where he says 'Amazon's streaming HD version of The Grand Budapest Hotel not only outperformed Vudu and iTunes, it often came remarkably close to Blu-ray quality.'

In short if you have a device that can get Amazon Instant 1080P DD+ I would use that vs HBO Go - if your device can only get 720P from Amazon Instant then HBO Go may be best - but I would still do a comparison as I haven't been very impressed with HBO Go picture quality. Its OK but doesn't match up well against other 1080p streaming services I use.
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As far as I can tell Amazon streaming movies still do not have Dolby Digital audio.

It depends upon the device. The Amazon app on Panasonic BDPs used to not have DD sound, but the last one I bought was a DMP-BDT220 a couple of years back. My Sony BDP-S390's Amazon app has DD surround sound, as does the Roku Amazon channel, and the Amazon Instant Video apps on PS3, Xbox One and Xbox 360. It is basic DD, not DD+ (which is an advantage for those with older AVRs w/o DD+ decoding).

Amazon does have 1080p streaming video, but only on some non-disclosed subset of devices. PS3 is supposed to be one of them though I've never been able to get it when I tried. Their 1080p video is supposedly 10 Mbps, up from < 3 Mbps for 720p .
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Have you guys noticed that Amazon Prime streaming repeatedly throws in micro-pauses, generally during cuts? It's fast enough that one could easily miss it, but once noticed, it's pretty obvious and a bit annoying. I've got a fast cable internet connection, and anyway it's only micro-pauses at specific moments, so almost certainly not the connection. I'm using a Panasonic Blu-ray player to access the content, so I suppose it's possible the processing in that is causing this, but my impression is that it's a function of Amazon's content provision, since lots of other folks online have the same issue.

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Oh, I thought Amazon moved to 1080P. HBO Go apparently moved to 1080P DD do it is probably still the best then.
Entirely dependent on the device in use. Roku is 720p for Amazon Prime. Whether you can actually see a difference between high bit rate 720p and any version of 1080p is an open question and again dependent on many things. The answer to your question is pretty simple though: try it both ways and see which you like best. We have no way of knowing the quality of feed that HBO is providing to Amazon, or what Amazon does with it.
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My Sony BDP-S390's Amazon app has DD surround sound, as does the Roku Amazon channel, and the Amazon Instant Video apps on PS3, Xbox One and Xbox 360. It is basic DD, not DD+ (which is an advantage for those with older AVRs w/o DD+ decoding).
Amazon Instant on the Fire TV is definitely outputting DD+
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We have no way of knowing the quality of feed that HBO is providing to Amazon, or what Amazon does with it.
Agreed we have no way of checking what content is actually 1080P (router logs should give a pretty good clue though).

Earlier this year it seems the existing HBO content in the Amazon Instant Video store (digital copies) was 1080P
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Amazon Instant on the Fire TV is definitely outputting DD+

That's new and special to Fire TV. I have five TV-connected devices capable of streaming Amazon with digital surround output (Roku 3, Roku 2 XS, Xbox 360, Xbox One, PS3) and they all output basic DD. Downloads to TiVo and PCs have basic DD.

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Amazon's 720p encodes look way better than Netflix 720p encodes because they are encoded in a higher bit rate. Of course Amazon 1080p encodes which I never got on the Fire TV and only a couple of times on the PS3 look just as good as Netflix 1080p Super HD encodes of course they use twice as much bandwidth.

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One of the weird things with Amazon is the audio. On some titles the DD+ works with HDMI from the BD player and on others I have to switch to the SPDIF from the BD player on the AV Receiver otherwise it will just be PCM. I would think that HDMI would work all the time.
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One of the weird things with Amazon is the audio. On some titles the DD+ works with HDMI from the BD player and on others I have to switch to the SPDIF from the BD player on the AV Receiver otherwise it will just be PCM. I would think that HDMI would work all the time.
You actually see DD+ (not basic DD) from a BD player's Amazon app?

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You actually see DD+ (not basic DD) from a BD player's Amazon app?
The Yamaha AV receiver and it is spelled out "DolbyDigital+".
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The Yamaha AV receiver and it is spelled out "DolbyDigital+".

I just played a 5.1 title (Dredd) on Roku 3, Xbox One, Xbox 360 and PS3 and got basic DD from all of them (well, 5.1 channel LPCM from Xbox One). How old is your BDP?

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I get DD+ audio from my Sony BDP-S6200 players. Not sure about my S5100 models since I don't use them much any more. But with the S6200 models the Amazon app is definitely sending DD+ audio.(at least with 5.1 content. Everything I looked at had 5.1 audio)

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