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Plasma uses excessive amounts of electricity.
The amount in savings from a comparable LCD doesn't concern me. http://www.cnet.com/news/what-you-ne...r-consumption/

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Resolution may be the least important specification in PQ; but are you ready to give up your HD set for even the best SD display ever made?
The differences between HD resolutions are far more subtle. Even an entry level HD TV will look better then most of the best SD displays when watching HD content. In the digital world of TV higher contrast is paramount when it comes to over all picture quality. Obviously, that is what HDR is trying to achieve.

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By the end of the year, 4K players will be providing HDR in the home. Fox, and I'm sure other content providers, are going to release their new/current movies (as well as their more popular archived films) on 4K disks. This will be another case of an increased resolution component bringing other significant PQ factors along for the ride.
Unfortunately, BD's are still not as popular as DVD, and all replicated formats continue to lose their market share to streaming. I don't believe the production of UHD players will have much impact on consumer marketing.

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Here is a link to an HDR primer that I learned a lot from. Assuming there are posters nearly as ignorant about the technology as I was, I decided to post the link.
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And a lot of people a couple years back probably bought a new TV. HDR seems like a frivolous expense and obviously a come-on to boost any sagging sales because people already have a decent 1080p set.
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...obviously a come-on to boost any sagging sales because people already have a decent 1080p set.
So is every new feature on every device. Once everyone has what you're selling you have to do something to get them to buy new ones . I think that HDR, however much of a PQ improvement it brings, is too hard to explain to ever become an inducement to buy a new TV for anybody who doesn't read tech blogs and AV equipment magazines. It will become something that people get on any new TV that they buy but they won't buy the new TV because of it.

I doubt that UHD disc will ever become much more than an expensive A/V-ophile niche product, unless manufacturers push it like they've been pushing 4K TVs.

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Here is a good comparison from S&V that I posted on another thread. A top notch HDR/UHD TV verses a top notch PDP. hdr hype, so tired of it
Although HDR currently offers the best solution in terms of improving LCD picture quality, I doubt many of even the most discerning videophiles are suddenly going to run out and purchase an HDR set to replace their current reference display.

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So is every new feature on every device. Once everyone has what you're selling you have to do something to get them to buy new ones . I think that HDR, however much of a PQ improvement it brings, is too hard to explain to ever become an inducement to buy a new TV for anybody who doesn't read tech blogs and AV equipment magazines. It will become something that people get on any new TV that they buy but they won't buy the new TV because of it.

I doubt that UHD disc will ever become much more than an expensive A/V-ophile niche product, unless manufacturers push it like they've been pushing 4K TVs.
Yeah, what you have is the husband eying the UHD set for bragging rights and the wife asking why when she wants a new dishwasher instead.

Most won't be able to see a noticeable different in PQ. That would require enhanced demos that won't be seen once they get it home.

What will happen is economically it will become cheaper to just produce 4K panels and all future sets will be 4K at 1080 prices. That will probably happen in about 2 years and 1080 sets will be blown out with discount sales.

That's the way the industry works.
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What will happen is economically it will become cheaper to just produce 4K panels and all future sets will be 4K at 1080 prices. That will probably happen in about 2 years and 1080 sets will be blown out with discount sales.

That's what I mean by "pushing" it. I bought a Vizio 4K TV last year (more because I was interested in FALD than 4K res). It was new their top model line "P-Series"; this year their middle-of-the-road model line M-Series is 4K; their only 1080p products are their budget E-Series models. If you want any of the best features offered by a manufacturer, 4K will come with it.

Nobody asked for 4K res and I only rarely see something for which the increased resolution is impressive (and I sit 6-8 feet from a 60" screen).

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Unfortunately, BD's are still not as popular as DVD, and all replicated formats continue to lose their market share to streaming. I don't believe the production of UHD players will have much impact on consumer marketing.

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Direct TV recently launched two satellites to support 4k programming. They are starting to make programming available and have introduced the first piece of hardware (client to their Genie) that supports 4k; although the Samsung 4K RVU hookup does it organically.

If that starts to draw customers, the others won't be far behind. Plus, both Netflix and Amazon have said their original programming will be 4k; and MGO already has around 8-10 UHD/HDR films available for download.

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I'm in my seventies, and even I can see it coming. Some of you are just inflexible before your time.
AKA justifying in their own minds not spending the money.
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My parents are in the market for a new tv 55 inches or greater and I've been explaining to them about the arrival of 4K content and other aspects of the picture that will be improved within the next couple years. Despite having a lot of disposable income they seem to care less and told me just to recommend the best 1080p tv since they only want it for watching cable. My point is a lot of "regular" people only care about tv size and that it is a decent brand.
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Direct TV recently launched two satellites to support 4k programming. They are starting to make programming available and have introduced the first piece of hardware (client to their Genie) that supports 4k; although the Samsung 4K RVU hookup does it organically.

If that starts to draw customers, the others won't be far behind. Plus, both Netflix and Amazon have said their original programming will be 4k; and MGO already has around 8-10 UHD/HDR films available for download.

I'm in my seventies, and even I can see it coming. Some of you are just inflexible before your time.
I have DTV and that was my point. UHD players will likely take a back seat to UHD broadcasts and streaming despite the fact that they will offer the best quality.

Wow, I didn't realize what I was getting into when I started the conversation about Netflix 4k.


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I'm not inflexible, just playing amatuer market analyst . I'll be one of the first in line for a UHD disc player but I don't think that it'll ever be more than an A/V-ophile niche product unless, like 4K displays, the manufacturers subtly force it on us by quickly getting the price down and only supporting other formats in low end products. I don't think that they can create much real market demand.
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I'm not inflexible, just playing amatuer market analyst . I'll be one of the first in line for a UHD disc player but I don't think that it'll ever be more than an A/V-ophile niche product unless, like 4K displays, the manufacturers subtly force it on us by quickly getting the price down and only supporting other formats in low end products. I don't think that they can create much real market demand.
Like any other video enhancement, UHD and HDR will eventually filter down to affordable TV's.

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The local multiplex is about a 1/2 mile from me. I use their screens for comparison and have for years because they were an early adopter of ditigal projection. They started out with two auditoriums out of 8 with Christie digital projectors and in a year or two all auditoriums. It seemed a little strange to me when San Francisco and even San Jose had only a theater or to with one digital projector. But it turned out the theater is also a consulting company for theater owner contemplating digital.

Of course back then the Christies were doing 2K. I haven't been there recently to see if they've been upgraded to 4K. But picture on my $500 55" compares very favorably with their 2K projection. As for sound, well they did have a problem with a center speaker in one auditorium which I complained about and it didn't get fixed for a long time. I found a candid employee who told me the owner didn't want to the spend the money to replace it.
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