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For sure. Porsche current champion and 18 time winner.
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Just binged the first 3 episodes, good stuff.
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Through 4 episodes - excellent all around.
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It looks great too in UHD on the X800.
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Looking forward to top gear...sorry Grand Tour season 2
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Wonder if Hammonds bad wreck will delay it any?
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I agree that Le Mans: Racing is Everything is terrific. Getting to the UHD HDR version wasn't easy, though. When I did a search for the series in my Roku Premiere+'s Amazon app, it gave me the SD version. I didn't realize what had happened until I had watched most of the first episode. When I did, though, I was able to find the UHD HDR version and have been watching it ever since. The show is excellent and looks great too.

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Amazon has also picked up the limited mystery series Fortitude - definitely worth checking out IMO...

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Amazon has also picked up the limited mystery series Fortitude - definitely worth checking out IMO...
I've already started Season 2. The Iceland location is beautifully eerie. I find it interesting, gruesome, off-beat and loaded with conflicted characters. My wife hates it.

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I've already started Season 2. The Iceland location is beautifully eerie. I find it interesting, gruesome, off-beat and loaded with conflicted characters. My wife hates it.
I'll have to check it out. It sounds right up my alley
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I've already started Season 2. The Iceland location is beautifully eerie. I find it interesting, gruesome, off-beat and loaded with conflicted characters. My wife hates it.
It's definitely not for everyone. I finished S1 last night and can't say I loved the ending. S2 may have to wait until after Better Call Saul, Fargo and The Son...

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It's definitely not for everyone. I finished S1 last night and can't say I loved the ending. S2 may have to wait until after Better Call Saul, Fargo and The Son...
Indeed it's not for everyone. Season 2 picks up right where it left off in Season 1. There was almost a 22 month delay between seasons for UK viewers. This season we have Dennis Quaid headlining. The weirdness factor ramps up even more which may account for the significant viewer drop-off in the UK during that season.

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I have come across an interesting observation when using Amazon streaming. It seems that whatever non-4k I choose it is being streamed as 1080p24 (23.98). I selected the SD TV series "The Twilight Zone," which was surely shot at 30fps, and it was streamed as 1080p24. Same for the TV series "The Rifleman." British shows which seem to generally be 1080p25 or 1080p50 were sent as 1080p24.

I am using a Tivo Roamio OTA, which has the rare ability to stream at "source direct" and a Lumagen XS, which has an info screen that shows incoming and outgoing resolution. The Tivo sends OTA channels ABC and Fox at 720p and the other majors at 1080i60. PBS has a different rate which I forgot to write down.

Depending on the source, YouTube can be streamed as 23.98, 24, 25, 29.97, 30, 50, 59.9 and 60 (!). Therefore, I believe that the Tivo is not altering the steaming signal that it receives from Amazon.

But why would Amazon send everything out at 1080p24? From my amateur reading converting 30fps (old TV shows) to 24fps is a difficult process, as 6 frames have to removed. It is not a desirable conversion to make.
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Amazon and Netflix mostly use 24fps, but many devices have always output it at 60hz. Sony blu-ray players and TiVo's most definetly output Amazon and Netflix at 24hz, which I am glad they do.

As far as 30fps stuff, I am not sure there.
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Oh boy, that confusing head spinning discussion about frame rates. TV shows were often "filmed" and film at 24 fps. Telecine techniques were used to convert that content to US NTSC 60 hz rates. NTSC was 60 hz to use the AC line frequency for sync. European countries have 50 hz AC line frequencies so PAL is 50 hz.

At TV stations back in the 50s they would have 16mm movie projectors on multiplexer that had 5 blade shutter (5 x 24 = 120). That was a simple way to achieve the needed 60 hz field rates from 24 fps film.

As for modern "videoing" shows those too are usually done with 24 fps cameras. Conversion to both 50 hz and 60 hz can be achieved through different methods since that was worked out long. But they shoot at 25 fps. You just slow the 25 to 24 and let the telecine software in receivers, video chips, etc take care of the conversion. When I set my Shield TV to 24 fps it would annoying drop a frame a second or catch up with one noticeable drop every few seconds. I've read there are three methods of 25 fps conversion.

There is also the confusing 2:3 pulldown method for 24 to 30 fps conversion. As well as why you actually have 23.97 drop frame rate. One thing I learned in making a Cinepak file player to work on a game console was that you sync the video with the audio not the other way around and that required the rate to be fractional. The tip was from reading the exposed h264 player code in the console SDK.

Keep in mind too that sports video is a different animal.

Confused enough?
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Much more than just confused.

Reading about all the rates, frequencies, and conversions did indeed make my head spin.

What caught my attention the most was making that conversion from 30fps to 24fps, something apparently seldom done since 6 frames (20%!) have to be deleted. I think Amazon streaming on the whole is of very high quality, so I cannot understand why they would want to do this awkward conversion. It is the first time I have run across such a conversion with streaming or satellite. I also have to admit I did not notice any frame drops for judder.

One other comment, the Lumagen video processor allows one to create custom video EDIDs. I created one that only allowed 480i and 480p but Amazon continued to stream 1024p, clearly not paying attention to the downstream EDID. Note that I am trying to stream "The Twilight Zone," described by Amazon as SD. When the Amazon info screen is brought up no resolution info is displayed, unlike HD when one sees 1080.

With so few SD shows it is not worth worrying about, more a matter of curiosity.
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Actually they don't do a conversion from 30 fps to 24 fps. Most 30 fps is left at that. And sorry, your eyes nor are mine good enough to notice the missing frames on a 30->24 conversion. 24 fps was selected by the movie industry because it was the lowest rate that smooth action could be filmed and shown. At that even theater projectors had 2 and 3 blade shutters so technically the movies were shown at 48 or 72 fps for even more smoothness. Even home 8mm projectors had multiple blade shutters to smooth the 16 fps action.

Some of us who shot video played around with 30->24 conversion to try to get more of a "film look". There was even software sold to do that. These days though most cameras have 24 fps option.
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Indeed it's not for everyone. Season 2 picks up right where it left off in Season 1. There was almost a 22 month delay between seasons for UK viewers. This season we have Dennis Quaid headlining. The weirdness factor ramps up even more which may account for the significant viewer drop-off in the UK during that season.


Just finished binging both seasons enjoyed both but series 2 more but definitely quite a few head scratching moments.

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