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Some ABC stations, especially those owned by Disney, have TWO HD signals on their broadcast channels: ABC HD and Livewell HD. The ABC HD data is highly compressed. On my DVR, the live buffer is nearly 45 minutes, versus about 15-20 minutes for CBS, for example (the buffer is a fixed size, so the time it holds gives a rough idea of the datarate.) This is for WLS in Chicago.

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Probably cheap encodes. I need a way to see how much was streamed for a ~40 minute episode. A fairly decent 2 720p mbps stream can be around 500 MB and 2.8 mbps stream around 700 MB. Both of these are CBR encodes which probably is what they are doing.
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If it helps, the Hulu Plus player in my WD TV Live has a control for selecting video quality. It pops up a list and the top item on that list is "HD (3.2 Mb/s)". That's almost precisely the bit rate of Netflix high 720p with stereo sound (3.192 Mb/s).

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If it helps, the Hulu Plus player in my WD TV Live has a control for selecting video quality. It pops up a list and the top item on that list is "HD (3.2 Mb/s)". That's almost precisely the bit rate of Netflix high 720p with stereo sound (3.192 Mb/s).

That makes sense - I tried watching the Korean show 'Faith' as recommended by another member and the router average over 10 minutes was about 3.5 Mbps - so allowing for buffering it is in the ballpark.

Editorial - the picture quality looked pretty good - close to the Netflix (non Super) HD - but from the pilot the show isn't for me.
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I got only a couple of burps on Hulu+ Saturday night for a horror movie but not enough to cancel the showing. It went on to finish the movie just fine. I'm thinking the connection rate is probably not the overall encoding rate which is probably 2.8 mbps. The headroom is a good idea and the technology is getting better.
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I got only a couple of burps on Hulu+ Saturday night for a horror movie but not enough to cancel the showing. It went on to finish the movie just fine. I'm thinking the connection rate is probably not the overall encoding rate which is probably 2.8 mbps. The headroom is a good idea and the technology is getting better.

I've watched the 3 South Korean series, Faith(24 1+ hr episodes), City Hunter(20 1+ hr episodes) and The Master's Sun(17 1+ hr. episodes) and during all that time I had possibly 5 hiccups and everytime, I just resumed the playback and playback resumed just fine. So in those 62 or so hours of constant streaming, I had probably less than a minute and a half of down time. That's pretty good. I don't really know what the bit rate was, but I didn't notice any reduction in PQ to my naked eye. Faith I played on the Roku XD?( the first Roku series, it was the one that was top of the line, $99 of the first gen Rokus) and the other two I played on the Roku 3. I've watched several TV episodes, in the last couple of weeks, and none of them had any glitches at all.

I sound like I'm a big Hulu+ fan, but I'm really not, I don't like the commercials either, but as far as dependable, I can't complain at all. Honestly I don't mind a commercial break every now and then, but other times they really seem to break up the flow.
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The PQ on the shows on Hulu+ I watched last night was very good. In fact one show had the detail I would expect from 1080p not 720p. Sound is still just stereo.
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Still why is Vudu and Netflix the only service that provides 1080p? I can easily tell the difference between 720p and 1080p.

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Still why is Vudu and Netflix the only service that provides 1080p? I can easily tell the difference between 720p and 1080p.

I believe that the Blockbuster video player on Roku does as well. Their HD is a 7 Mbps stream.

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As I see this day and age all streaming services like Hulu and Amazon should give you a option to stream 1080p for people who have the bandwidth to do so.

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I watched the newest episode of "The Walking Dead" from Amazon Instant on my BD player and thought the encode was pretty bad for HD. I also only got PCM not even Prologic and I thought I was supposed to get Dolby 5.1. I used to get Dolby 5.1 running the SPDIF out the player port. I need to look at their site on a browser where I'm not logged in because they seem to not give you the stream specs logged in. Or is Starz only giving them a stereo and low quality encode? (So they can sell you the BD).

I watched a couple episodes of "The Blacklist" on Hulu+ and we know NBC does 1080i for broadcast and the encodes were very good and on shots of the city you could easily see building details you wouldn't see at 720p.
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I watched the newest episode of "The Walking Dead" from Amazon Instant on my BD player and thought the encode was pretty bad for HD. I also only got PCM not even Prologic and I thought I was supposed to get Dolby 5.1. I used to get Dolby 5.1 running the SPDIF out the player port.

What's your BDP? All of their Amazon players are not created equally. I'm not sure but I don't think that any of the Panasonics support 5.1 sound in Amazon. EDIT: The Amazon player on Roku does not show The Walking Dead as featuring 5.1 sound.

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Michael, I've had 5.1 from the Amazon app on my BDP before when I played movies.
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Anyone have problems trying to watch the Dracula pilot? I kept getting an error message on the screen when the episode started telling me to try again or contact Hulu support. BTW, I did some checking and Hulu+ is indeed doing some 1080p. In fact I watched another episode of "The Blacklist" which was shown in 1080p. I was curious to see if Dracula would be shown in 1080p too. I don't expect that from ABC and FOX offerings there because they broadcast 720p. But NBC and CW are broadcast 1080i.
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It worked fine for me.
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You viewed it with Chromecast? I had no problem with the Hulu+ app on my BD player but the PQ wasn't that great. I'll report the problem to their support as I tried again last night after another Hulu+ Android app update. The app BTW plays it OK on the phone but obviously with the Chromecast option to TV I don't want to do that.
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BTW, I did some checking and Hulu+ is indeed doing some 1080p. In fact I watched another episode of "The Blacklist" which was shown in 1080p.

Where did you see this written and how do you know that you're seeing 1080p? What device are you watching Hulu Plus on?
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My impression is that all episodic scripted television is recorded with digital HD cameras at 1080p24, regardless of whether it gets broadcast at 720p or 1080i. All of the ABC content and non-Fox-produced Fox content is provided in 1080p24 on Netflix (Fox distributed movies and television have been limited to 720p in the past, though that may have changed a bit recently). All of it is in 1080p24 when released on BD.

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Where did you see this written and how do you know that you're seeing 1080p? What device are you watching Hulu Plus on?
My impression is that all episodic scripted television is recorded with digital HD cameras at 1080p24, regardless of whether it gets broadcast at 720p or 1080i. All of the ABC content and non-Fox-produced Fox content is provided in 1080p24 on Netflix (Fox distributed movies and television have been limited to 720p in the past, though that may have changed a bit recently). All of it is in 1080p24 when released on BD.

I'm watching using a Chromecast and definitely they are doing some 1080p programming (gotta keep up with Netflix). I have eyes and do video editing and so can tell earmarks of resolutions. Google is your friend and there are a number of articles mentioning that Hulu started offering some content in 1080p as far back as June. I was looking up Hulu information on Wikipedia and it mentions it too.

Your impression is partially correct but they are probably shooting even in 4K and 5K these days because in post they can zoom in on a shot for a close up without losing resolution. I haven't seen anything on ABC or FX that say 1080p yet though. It makes sense with the NBC and CW offerings because they broadcast in 1080i.
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Meant to mention I contacted Hulu+ support and they emailed back they have had a number of users reply the "Dracula" wasn't working right with Chromecast and their development team is working on the problem.
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I have eyes and do video editing and so can tell earmarks of resolutions. Google is your friend and there are a number of articles mentioning that Hulu started offering some content in 1080p as far back as June.

All due respect to your video editor's eyes it'd be nice to have some written confirmation. All I can find via Google is some mention of 1080p video out of the Android app available on 3 specific smartphones.

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You viewed it with Chromecast? I had no problem with the Hulu+ app on my BD player but the PQ wasn't that great. I'll report the problem to their support as I tried again last night after another Hulu+ Android app update. The app BTW plays it OK on the phone but obviously with the Chromecast option to TV I don't want to do that.

Sorry, Brian. Not Chromecast, I read fast and didn't see you mention that. I was using Hulu Plus through my Sony tv's app with Horrid menus & navigation, the Hulu Plus app for the PS3 is Waaaay better.
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Anyone have problems trying to watch the Dracula pilot? I kept getting an error message on the screen when the episode started telling me to try again or contact Hulu support. BTW, I did some checking and Hulu+ is indeed doing some 1080p. In fact I watched another episode of "The Blacklist" which was shown in 1080p. I was curious to see if Dracula would be shown in 1080p too. I don't expect that from ABC and FOX offerings there because they broadcast 720p. But NBC and CW are broadcast 1080i.

I can get Dracula from Hulu + on my Chromecast.

Got to say the picture quality is watchable - but not great. Pretty much in line with other Hulu + I have seen and of course only stereo.

10 minute router average was 2.840 Mbps so I would suspect 720P.

Edit the 10 minute average on the first scene with no ads was 3.040 - still 720P I think
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Interestingly Episode 2 of The Blacklist (Hulu+ through Chromecast) only averages 2.144 Mbps through 10 minutes without an ad - but looks much better than Dracula.

Edit - actually surprisingly good for a 2 Mbps stream....
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All due respect to your video editor's eyes it'd be nice to have some written confirmation. All I can find via Google is some mention of 1080p video out of the Android app available on 3 specific smartphones.

I know I'm getting 1080p feeds on some Hulu+ content. Get yourself a Chromecast and see for yourself. They're only $35. Hulu probably doesn't want to brag yet about it because it is limited to only some titles. Also it's not out of the Android app. You might want to go to the Google developer site to see how it works. The app doesn't send the video to the TV instead tells the provider to send the stream to my Chromecast instead. When you select a movie to watch with the app you can select the Chromecast icon and then it will ask if you want to view the vidieo on your app or TV. The app will allow you to pause the video or in some cases like Netflix and Google Play videos tell you where you are in the movie.

Not only have I edited video for over 20 years but I also was an early adopter of consumer HD cameras starting with the JVC in 2003 (720p), the Sony in 2005 (1440x1080), several hybrids and a Canon point and shoot that does 1080p 24fps. I would love to play with a DSLR but I need a justification for really buying one at this time. There are things like small patterns on shirts, leaves on trees at a distance, office windows on buildings at a distance and the clincher small print that shouldn't be readable at 720p. None of this can be done well by upscaling from 720p to 1080p.

I also rented a movie last night on Google Play. It too played much of it in 1080p. That's my current complaint is now I don't like adaptive streaming either. If there is network congestion then they drop down to a grainy version and in some cases they may change resolution.

BTW, did you catch where I upgraded my whole system (except for speakers)? I'm not watching on a 13 year HD RPTV anymore.
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It's not that important--I would just like to see somewhere that Hulu says that they stream 1080p to some devices and a list of which devices those are and some indication of what titles. If it's not documented online then it's not, but it hardly seems worth doing if you're not going to brag about it.

I've been tempted to buy a Chromecast for the hell of it but I'd honestly never use it. I have one television with a ton of devices connected to it (including this PC) and six of them can play both Netflix and Hulu Plus with yet another coming at the end of the month (PC, Roku 3, WD TV Live, PS3, Xbox 360 and Panasonic BDP, Xbox One coming).

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There is a striking difference between 720p and 1080p which anyone with decent eyesight should be able to tell. It is a especially noticeable with footage shot with HD cameras. With Netflix you get an HD icon and 5.1 on the Chromecast display when starting a Netflix movie. What I do notice sometimes is the size of the black ratings box in the upper left corner which is much smaller when streaming 1080p on Hulu+.

One article back in June:
http://www.droid-life.com/2013/06/03/hulu-plus-for-android-updated-brings-1080p-playback-for-htc-one-galaxy-s4-and-droid-dna/

I would also say that Hulu+ is working out some bugs because I tried to watch Romero's second film "Season of the Witch" that was in my queue but didn't show up on the Android app queue but does on the desktop. Usually if a title isn't licensed "for TV" they will say so but there is nothing there about that. Maybe I need to drop them another note.
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There's a way to watch Hulu+ for free; it takes a few minutes of your time each day, however. Bing has been giving away money, tring to get people to use their search engine. Just sign up for a Bing account and you can get 15 points each day. Hulu+ monthly subscription can be purchased with 420 points.



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For those who were fans (or not) of the FX version of "The Bridge" the original Swedish/Danish version is now available on Hulu.
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My wife is watching 'Michael Palin's New Europe' on Hulu + tonight and I was surprised how good it looked.

Much better than other Hulu+ I recall.

The 10-minute average streaming rate was 3760 kbps - also much higher than I have seen before on Hulu +.
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I finished season one of "The Bridge" SE last night. What a great series! And the streaming quality was great for every episode. I do have to agree that the FX version fell short of the Danish/Swedish episodes, probably because they had to pad it out to 13 episodes.
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