Originally Posted by Apostate
Really? You don't see it? Let's break it down, shall we? Does Netflix need CDNs? Yes, to host and deliver contents. Do CDNs need Netflix? Yes, to get paid. If two parties need each other, could that relationship be called symbiotic? Why, yes.
Okay--I'll grant you "symbiotic", just like my relationship with the corner bakery. But now that Netflix has their own CDN they only need the others to deliver content which they can't deliver via Open Connect. If I start baking my own bread I don't need that bakery either.
How do you know ISPs won't let Netflix pay them for Open Connect? Are you "making a statement out of your behind" again?
Okay, it's a guess. But I'm guessing that Netflix comes to the ISPs offering them the same terms that the other CDNs do for the same access, if not a little better. If they pay what the other CDNs pay they still save tremendously over paying those CDNs since they have to pay them enough for profit (like buying wholesale versus retail). They further save by not paying the CDNs for storage of their library, the use of their servers or bandwidth. You're
guessing that they're asking the ISPs to lose money, a disincentive that no one could ever expect to work. I can't see that Cox, fourth largest cable MSO in the country (until recently third, Verizon having passed them by a couple 100K subs) or Cablevision would have accepted such a deal; you're assuming that they would have. A minor marketing bullet point, which Cox isn't even using, would not have been nearly enough to justify it. Netflix is saying that their bringing their traffic into the ISPs' networks via Open Connect is more efficient and advantageous to the ISPs (and reduces the load on the open Internet, benefiting every network user, Netflix sub or not); the ISPs who've taken the deal obviously agree.
Yes, Netflix can deliver SuperHD/3D via other CDNs if they choose to. As you've said, Netflix doesn't want to pay for it. The point, which I've made many times and you don't seem to get, is that Netflix is not being honest. Netflix makes it seem like it's ISPs who are preventing SuperHD/3D, not their own unwillingness to pay. The customers' inability to get SuperHD/3D lies squarely with Netflix, not ISPs.
That's your spin (and TWC's
). Please show me one place where Netflix has said "Your ISP is to blame for your not having access to our Super HD and 3D video products". What they've said is, "If you have access to our Open Connect CDN through your ISP then you can get our Super HD and 3D video encodes." Whose fault is it if your ISP does not have access to Open Connect when Netflix offers it to all (I presume on the same terms as other CDNs get for the same access)? You decide.
I guess that they could have said, "Offering Super HD and 3D video via our current CDN providers would require that we pay them for more than twice as much storage and significantly more bandwidth consumption. We can't afford to do that without increasing our fees to all of our customers which we're trying desperately to avoid. We've developed our own content delivery network which will cost us much less than hosting our services on the CDNs that we use now, allowing us to deliver better service with more features to you without increasing our costs. If and when your ISP arranges access to our new CDN, which we're offering to every ISP, you'll have access to these new features, which we unfortunately cannot afford to offer via other means".