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The brand new x500 series Sonys reportedly stream 24p as well.
What exactly is the Sony X500 series?

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What exactly is the Sony X500 series?


Probably any Sony Blu-ray player whose model number ends in 500, like the BDP-S5500.

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I'll take a look at the Sony thank you.
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I'm having trouble locating the BDP model.
Any more info?
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Sony x500 BDP? Any info?
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Sony x500 BDP? Any info?

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_nr_p_...nid=2224369011

The first three matches for that search.

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Sony tell me these models do not stream 24p.
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http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_nr_p_...nid=2224369011

The first three matches for that search.
I guess you're probably right. The owner's manual for the new Sony BDP-S3500 says this for network connectivity:



https://docs.sony.com/release/BDPBX350_EN.pdf
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Every few seconds (I'd say every 5 seconds), there is a noticeable jitter/judder or from skipping. You notice it when panning or when watching the credits rolling by. My wife doesn't notice, but for me this is not acceptable.
I find comments like this very amusing. While I understand that this kind of stuff is important to them, it just makes me chuckle as how bad OCD can be! (nothing personal against the OP! )

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I find comments like this very amusing. While I understand that this kind of stuff is important to them, it just makes me chuckle as how bad OCD can be! (nothing personal against the OP! )
To be fair, people's flicker / judder threshold varies quite a bit.


For example if you read comments in a gaming thread, you'll notice some people literally do not perceive frame drops, while others in that same section of the game will find it very apparent.

If judder doesn't pop out at you ... you should probably be happy



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Does anyone know if the current Oppo BD players - 103(D), 105(D) - support native 24p output for their streaming apps?
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I guess you're probably right. The owner's manual for the new Sony BDP-S3500 says this for network connectivity:



https://docs.sony.com/release/BDPBX350_EN.pdf


I could be wrong, but I believe that the great majority of BDPs can output BD video at 24Hz without being able to output streaming video that way, so that snippet of the manual doesn't mean much

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To be fair, people's flicker / judder threshold varies quite a bit.[/spoiler]

I'm not especially sensitive to mild levels of 2:3 pulldown judder but it gives me warm fuzzies to know that the video I'm watching is not being subjected to uneven pulldown, which is why I use my TiVo for Netflix, Amazon and VUDU and my TV Live Streaming for playing files. (I could use the TV Live for Netflix and VUDU--it doesn't feature Amazon--but it's slow in response to commands).

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I could be wrong, but I believe that the great majority of BDPs can output BD video at 24Hz without being able to output streaming video that way, so that snippet of the manual doesn't mean much
What's different is it says "Network content". No previous Sony has that setting at all. And owners of the 5500 have confirmed streaming and file playback is indeed 24 fps.
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Thank you I will try a 5500
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What's different is it says "Network content".

Sorry--I missed that detail even though it was in boldface.

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I'm not especially sensitive to mild levels of 2:3 pulldown judder but it gives me warm fuzzies to know that the video I'm watching is not being subjected to uneven pulldown, which is why I use my TiVo for Netflix, Amazon and VUDU and my TV Live Streaming for playing files. (I could use the TV Live for Netflix and VUDU--it doesn't feature Amazon--but it's slow in response to commands).
I'm really starting to wonder if I should go the TiVo route. I'm currently rolling my own WMC DVR and am happy with it overall, but this could help me consolidate TV content with streaming. Not to mention being able to natively output TV at 1080i to my DVDO Edge would be nice. The deinterlacing in WMC and WMC extenders is pretty terrible.

Are the Netflix, Amazon, and VUDU apps actually decent in terms of UI layout and performance?

Obviously my main point of contention is the pricing for a TiVo. The up front cost doesn't bother me too much, but the monthly is hard to swallow (or the lifetime sub).



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I could be wrong, but I believe that the great majority of BDPs can output BD video at 24Hz without being able to output streaming video that way, so that snippet of the manual doesn't mean much
If you look at the linked owners manual, you'll see the the BluRay, DVD, and Networked 24Hz settings are all separate.

I'm curious if Sony intends to release a higher end or ES model with this support. The current top of the line player (7200) and most recent ES models do not have this capability.
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I'm really starting to wonder if I should go the TiVo route. I'm currently rolling my own WMC DVR and am happy with it overall, but this could help me consolidate TV content with streaming. Not to mention being able to natively output TV at 1080i to my DVDO Edge would be nice. The deinterlacing in WMC and WMC extenders is pretty terrible.

I can understand your reticence; I personally have been a TiVo user forever, starting with a Philips analog one. I have a 250GB Premiere with Lifetime which I'm willing to sell (storage expadable via external drives); it has the streaming apps though it's a bit slower than Roamio.

I set my Roamio to pass thru 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p60 and 1080p24, letting the panel upconvert to 4k res. It pauses for a second on transitions but it does it smoothly.

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Are the Netflix, Amazon, and VUDU apps actually decent in terms of UI layout and performance?
The TiVo apps for Netflix, Amazon Instant and VUDU are the common ones:

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I refer to them as "common" because they're all identical on multiple other devices that I own. I consider the UI desgns to be adequate and they perform well.

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I can understand your reticence; I personally have been a TiVo user forever, starting with a Philips analog one. I have a 250GB Premiere with Lifetime which I'm willing to sell (storage expadable via external drives); it has the streaming apps though it's a bit slower than Roamio.

I set my Roamio to pass thru 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p60 and 1080p24, letting the panel upconvert to 4k res. It pauses for a second on transitions but it does it smoothly.



The TiVo apps for Netflix, Amazon Instant and VUDU are the common ones:

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I refer to them as "common" because they're all identical on multiple other devices that I own. I consider the UI desgns to be adequate and they perform well.
Pretty sure that last one is Playstation

But yeah ... if it is the same general layout and reacts fast, that should work quite well.

I wish they had voice search though :\
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Off topic but I found the Roamio PQ to have sub par interlacing for interlaced cable content. Netflix excellent PQ.
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Pretty sure that last one is Playstation

But yeah ... if it is the same general layout and reacts fast, that should work quite well.
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That Amazon app is also on smart tvs- it's not limited to the PS3.

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I've been looking at purchasing a device that outputs 24p with netflix. Seems like the sony could be a winner. One question though, will any of these bd players downmix/transcode dolby digital plus to dolby digital from netflix? My denon receiver(avr-591) doesn't play nice with dolby digital plus.
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Off topic but I found the Roamio PQ to have sub par interlacing for interlaced cable content. Netflix excellent PQ.
That's unfortunate. Can it output native resolution?



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That Amazon app is also on smart tvs- it's not limited to the PS3.
I'm gonna assume those versions don't have a Playstation logo and Playstation-specific button icons though
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Pretty sure that last one is Playstation

But yeah ... if it is the same general layout and reacts fast, that should work quite well.

I wish they had voice search though :\

The functions are mapped to the buttons on the remote for the device that it's running on; that picture is of the AIV UI running on a PS3 (or possibly PS4). On TiVo it's the same with the controls labelled for buttons on the TiVo remote. On Xbox One and Xbox 360 it's the same in the top menus with some difference introduced to facilitate voice (and possibly gestural) control via Kinect (I have Kinect for both devices); on the Xboxes you can do voice search across multiple streaming services using Bing. Unfortunately of those devices only the TiVo offers 24Hz output of 24p content.

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I've been looking at purchasing a device that outputs 24p with netflix. Seems like the sony could be a winner. One question though, will any of these bd players downmix/transcode dolby digital plus to dolby digital from netflix? My denon receiver(avr-591) doesn't play nice with dolby digital plus.
Sony management seems to have a way of creating tiers of models by disabling features. My entry level S1200 doesn't play Netflix at 24p nor does it want to play my BD on DVD homemade discs. The Sony S480 will play the latter. I developed some games for the Sony PSP and probably the video player is pretty much the same. You get a lot of exposed API to do things like control things down to the individual frame if needed for your game. I would suspect that you get pretty much the same SDK for making streaming BD apps. Frame rate can be pretty much up to the developer as long as it works with the device.
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That's unfortunate. Can it output native resolution?
Yes but the issue remains. The only workable option is to watch 720p source in 720p native output. Without opening a huge can of whoopass the PQ is noticeably lower grade to the likes of regular STBs, HTPC etc. It has been commented on many times by others including those in the UK using the Virgin TiVo.

If you sit far enough back you can get away with watching, but to me that's not the point.
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What's different is it says "Network content". No previous Sony has that setting at all. And owners of the 5500 have confirmed streaming and file playback is indeed 24 fps.
I was able to purchase the S3500 and unfortunately it does not stream Netflix in 24p when Network content is set to AUTO.
Are you confident the S5500 does?
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I'm only repeating what other owners claim. I have no 500 series players and no interest in 24p Netflix. Is your TV capable?
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Yes. I have trialled a Roamio TiVo and Netflix 24p works very well through it.
Do you have links to the owners talk?
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I think when Sony refer to 'Network Content' they do not mean streaming services.
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