What devices support Netflix Super HD and 24p? - AVS Forum
Forum Jump: 
 
Thread Tools
post #1 of 14 Old 03-11-2014, 02:07 AM - Thread Starter
Member
 
fredz85's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 144
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
I have a new Roku, an Apple TV and some more devices that support. All output only 60fps. I find this very annoying when watching Netflix 24p content, such as House of Cards. Every few seconds (I'd say every 5 seconds), there is a noticeable jitter/judder or from skipping. You notice it when panning or when watching the credits rolling by. My wife doesn't notice, but for me this is not acceptable. So I am looking for a solution that streams native at 24p and supports Super HD. According to Netflix's support pages and Wikipedia, only these devices support Super HD:
  • Apple TV with 1080p: only 60fps
  • Google Chromecast: only 60fps
  • Nintendo Wii U: unknown
  • Roku with 1080p*: : only 60fps
  • Sony PlayStation 3: unknown
  • Sony PlayStation 4: unknown
  • TiVo Premiere DVR: unknown (I think it does 24fps), but expensive TiVo subscription required
  • Windows 8 App: I suppose it does 24fps when system and GPU support it?
  • Blu-Ray Players, Smart TV's, Home Theaters, and Streaming Players with existing Netflix 1080p support*
  • LG BD640: unknown
  • Xbox One: unknown

Can someone help with finding out if the "unknown" devices really do support 24 fps with Netflix?
Or any other devices?
fredz85 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 14 Old 03-11-2014, 04:33 AM
AVS Special Member
 
metalsaber's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Western, Pennsylvania
Posts: 3,454
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10 Post(s)
Liked: 79
oops wrong thread.
metalsaber is offline  
post #3 of 14 Old 03-11-2014, 08:25 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Mr.G's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,369
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 47 Post(s)
Liked: 107
Quote:
Originally Posted by fredz85 View Post

I have a new Roku, an Apple TV and some more devices that support. All output only 60fps. I find this very annoying when watching Netflix 24p content, such as House of Cards. Every few seconds (I'd say every 5 seconds), there is a noticeable jitter/judder or from skipping. You notice it when panning or when watching the credits rolling by. My wife doesn't notice, but for me this is not acceptable. So I am looking for a solution that streams native at 24p and supports Super HD. According to Netflix's support pages and Wikipedia, only these devices support Super HD:
  • Apple TV with 1080p: only 60fps
  • Google Chromecast: only 60fps
  • Nintendo Wii U: unknown
  • Roku with 1080p*: : only 60fps
  • Sony PlayStation 3: unknown
  • Sony PlayStation 4: unknown
  • TiVo Premiere DVR: unknown (I think it does 24fps), but expensive TiVo subscription required
  • Windows 8 App: I suppose it does 24fps when system and GPU support it?
  • Blu-Ray Players, Smart TV's, Home Theaters, and Streaming Players with existing Netflix 1080p support*
  • LG BD640: unknown
  • Xbox One: unknown

Can someone help with finding out if the "unknown" devices really do support 24 fps with Netflix?
Or any other devices?

Their listing is far from complete and they omitted the WDTV Live (24p) which is found elsewhere on their website.

https://help.netflix.com/article/en/node/516?ba=GSButtonClick&q=WDTV%20Live

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1089285/netflix-streaming-quality/3780#post_24156001

All I Really Need to Know I Learned in Movies

Mr.G is offline  
post #4 of 14 Old 03-11-2014, 10:07 AM - Thread Starter
Member
 
fredz85's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 144
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Mr G: very interesting. Does the WD TV Live also do Super HD? And do the other services, such as Hulu Plus, support native 24p as well?
Netflix also does 24p native, correct?
fredz85 is offline  
post #5 of 14 Old 03-11-2014, 10:28 AM
AVS Special Member
 
undecided's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 1,454
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 30 Post(s)
Liked: 60
undecided is online now  
post #6 of 14 Old 03-11-2014, 11:39 AM - Thread Starter
Member
 
fredz85's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 144
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Thanks, but Hulu Plus isn't mentioned there - only Netflix and Vudu.
fredz85 is offline  
post #7 of 14 Old 03-11-2014, 12:32 PM
AVS Special Member
 
undecided's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 1,454
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 30 Post(s)
Liked: 60
undecided is online now  
post #8 of 14 Old 03-11-2014, 06:15 PM
AVS Addicted Member
 
michaeltscott's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: San Diego, CA, USA
Posts: 16,408
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 161 Post(s)
Liked: 472
Quote:
Originally Posted by fredz85 View Post

Mr G: very interesting. Does the WD TV Live also do Super HD?

Generally anything which supports 1080p also supports "Super HD", it being 2 additional 1080p video encodes. That would probably include just about every stationary device with a streaming Netflix player released in the past few years. I have 13 non-portable Netflix playing devices and the only ones which are 720p only are the Xbox 360, 2011 Panasonic DMP-BDT110 and TiVo Series3 (the other 10 are this PC, TiVo Roamio, TiVo Premiere, PS3, Xbox One, WD TV Live, Roku 3, Roku 2 XS, Panasonic DMP-BDT220 and Sony BDP-S390, all 1080p Super HD capable). The Xbox 360's Netflix player is artificially limited to 720p; the only streaming players on Xbox 360 which support 1080p are Xbox Video and VUDU (and they originally restricted VUDU to 720p).

Mike Scott (XBL: MikeHellion, PSN: MarcHellion)

"Think of the cable company as a group of terrorist (sic)." -- hookbill
michaeltscott is offline  
post #9 of 14 Old 03-15-2014, 01:21 AM - Thread Starter
Member
 
fredz85's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 144
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
I tried "match video framerate" set to on my WD Live for Netflix. I chose a 1080p24 episode, and was expecting that the video output from my WD Live would switch to 24p (ie the screen would go black for a second and I would see my TV switching to 1080p 24 Hz). But nothing happens, although I have full bandwidth. Am I missing something here? On Blurays, I get 24p just fine.
fredz85 is offline  
post #10 of 14 Old 03-15-2014, 11:37 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Mr.G's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,369
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 47 Post(s)
Liked: 107
Quote:
Originally Posted by fredz85 View Post

I tried "match video framerate" set to on my WD Live for Netflix. I chose a 1080p24 episode, and was expecting that the video output from my WD Live would switch to 24p (ie the screen would go black for a second and I would see my TV switching to 1080p 24 Hz). But nothing happens, although I have full bandwidth. Am I missing something here? On Blurays, I get 24p just fine.

The link is a little dated but the gist of the subject is covered.

Quote:
As nice as this feature is, here’s the rub: There’s no easy way to tell if Netflix content is encoded at 24 fps or 30 fps before you start a title. In theory, movies should all be at 24 fps and TV shows at 30 fps. In reality, that’s not the case. Some TV shows were shot on film and are encoded at 24 fps. Some examples include Battlestar Galactica and Sons of Anarchy. My sources tell me that consumer electronics manufacturers should be able to implement a feature that auto-senses the frame rate and be able to output 24 fps when appropriate. (in theory the Boxee can do it but it doesn’t support 1080P in Netflix). If you do set the frame rate to 24 fps and the material was encoded at 30 fps, you’ll realize it very quickly! So, there’s still an opportunity for a company to come out with a Netflix device that automatically detects and outputs the proper frame rate of streaming content.

http://www.techofthehub.com/2012/03/best-netflix-device-living-room.html

All I Really Need to Know I Learned in Movies

Mr.G is offline  
post #11 of 14 Old 03-15-2014, 02:41 PM
AVS Addicted Member
 
michaeltscott's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: San Diego, CA, USA
Posts: 16,408
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 161 Post(s)
Liked: 472
He posted about this in another thread and I addressed it here.

Mike Scott (XBL: MikeHellion, PSN: MarcHellion)

"Think of the cable company as a group of terrorist (sic)." -- hookbill
michaeltscott is offline  
post #12 of 14 Old 03-16-2014, 03:57 AM
Member
 
John Stockton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 134
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Samsung blu ray player BD-F5900 or the 59C which is the Costco version support Super HD and are able to stream at 24p.
John Stockton is offline  
post #13 of 14 Old 03-16-2014, 07:03 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Mr.G's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,369
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 47 Post(s)
Liked: 107
Quote:
Originally Posted by fredz85 View Post

I tried "match video framerate" set to on my WD Live for Netflix. I chose a 1080p24 episode, and was expecting that the video output from my WD Live would switch to 24p (ie the screen would go black for a second and I would see my TV switching to 1080p 24 Hz). But nothing happens, although I have full bandwidth. Am I missing something here? On Blurays, I get 24p just fine.

I'm not sure what your equipment problem is but I tested Netflix last night with my WDTV Live. Changed the setting on the WDTV Live to 1080 24p. Went to Netflix and played two shows. First was the Japanese anime Attack on Titan, second was the The Avengers movie. Both my Panasonic plasma and front projector acknowledged the programs were streaming at 1080 24p.

I don't usually use the WDTV Live for Netflix but when I do I have no problem watching content with the original 'auto' setting - 1080 60p. Haven't noticed any stuttering with either setting.

All I Really Need to Know I Learned in Movies

Mr.G is offline  
post #14 of 14 Old 03-18-2014, 02:33 AM - Thread Starter
Member
 
fredz85's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 144
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.G View Post

I'm not sure what your equipment problem is but I tested Netflix last night with my WDTV Live. Changed the setting on the WDTV Live to 1080 24p. Went to Netflix and played two shows. First was the Japanese anime Attack on Titan, second was the The Avengers movie. Both my Panasonic plasma and front projector acknowledged the programs were streaming at 1080 24p.
I don't usually use the WDTV Live for Netflix but when I do I have no problem watching content with the original 'auto' setting - 1080 60p. Haven't noticed any stuttering with either setting.
Yes, you changed it manually, that works. But we're looking at an automatic solution, which switches the output according to the source. That, the WD TV Live can't do.
fredz85 is offline  
Reply Video Download Services & Hardware

User Tag List

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off