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It certainly doesn't include me. I watched the entire first season and wanted my time back. It was unspeakably terrible.

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that must be the issue. It just boggles my mind that Panasonic/Netflix would not have an "updated app" to support Higher HD resolutions. Panasonic must assume that you will buy a "connected" device. This is why my PS3 streams up to 1080p. I just don't want all the clutter in my living room and the Netflix app was already there. Netflix phone support stated only that the TV can do 1080p, But said nothing about the App itself having limitations. This was my original suspicion
Nothing a $ 50.00 Roku puck one or Roku HDMI steaming stick can't do better than most 2014 TV's anyway if you think about it .
I have a couple of 1080p Roku Pucks and PS3 here they work good Super HD also. I can see your point about the clutter might be able to put the stick out of sight for the most part

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It certainly doesn't include me. I watched the entire first season and wanted my time back. It was unspeakably terrible.
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A regulated criminal enterprise/terrorist organization that is in collusion with our elected dictatorship

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That's been my sig since hookbill wrote it in 2007.
Didn't relize that was part of your sig ! I will change mine don't want to plagiarize............... too much anyway

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Ok, so Netflix tech support contacted me to finally deep dive into this issue. They started by testing my internet bandwidth and stated that it was a clean and steady stream. They could actually see everything i have watched recently and were able to see there were no issues while streaming, however they could not explain the limitation of 720p. At one point, the netflix agent, stated there indeed was an issue to look into and he was going to send his case up the line and have more engineers look into it and work with Panasonic. Then about 10 minutes later, he called me back saying he found the issue. He now is telling me that my internet signal is clean, but not fast enough to reach 1080p. So again i asked him how my PS3 is obtaining it through the same internet connection. He could not answer that. He feels there is a network setting or limitation within the TV that is keeping the network speeds too low for SuperHD. I know my internet is plenty fast as i pay for high speed cable up to 50mb and have done plenty of speed tests to verify I do actually obtain that speed.
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Also to the OP it it most likely the TV as you said other devices can get 1080p. This is the reason why I never got a smart TV they first update it a few times when it comes out then it becomes vaporware to them with no updates. Also looking at how often Netflix even if ever updates there app on smart TV's and BluRay players the game consoles get the updates first and quicker.

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Then I guess it's intended audience doesn't include you or me.


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I've made it through 8 episodes so have two left. I love the quirkiness they've injected.
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Ok, so Netflix tech support contacted me to finally deep dive into this issue. They started by testing my internet bandwidth and stated that it was a clean and steady stream. They could actually see everything i have watched recently and were able to see there were no issues while streaming, however they could not explain the limitation of 720p. At one point, the netflix agent, stated there indeed was an issue to look into and he was going to send his case up the line and have more engineers look into it and work with Panasonic. Then about 10 minutes later, he called me back saying he found the issue. He now is telling me that my internet signal is clean, but not fast enough to reach 1080p. So again i asked him how my PS3 is obtaining it through the same internet connection. He could not answer that. He feels there is a network setting or limitation within the TV that is keeping the network speeds too low for SuperHD. I know my internet is plenty fast as i pay for high speed cable up to 50mb and have done plenty of speed tests to verify I do actually obtain that speed.
It has little to do with your download speed. It's the actual streaming speed which is determined by other variables like the CDN and peering arrangements with your ISP. If you look at the Netflix speed index http://ispspeedindex.netflix.com/usa you can see that Verizon still falls short when it comes to delivering Netflix Super HD. Since I have Cablevision, an Open Connect partner, I rarely have a problem getting Super HD on any device including my Panasonic S60. It just may be that your ST50 by design requires a bit more bandwidth then your PS3.

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Also looking at how often Netflix even if ever updates there app on smart TV's and BluRay players the game consoles get the updates first and quicker.
My original Blu-ray player had received a couple of updates and then the updates stopped. The interface is so old that it cannot handle shows that had more than 99 episodes (such as the old Mission: Impossible TV show).

Also, as mentioned earlier, not all "Example Short 23.976" streams have rate, resolution, PAR encoded in them; apparently the "adaptive streams" do, at least the one my Vizio gets, but the older "advanced streams" do not (which my first-generation, first-model Roku use).

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I've made it through 8 episodes so have two left. I love the quirkiness they've injected.
Is it any better then last season? I have to agree with Mike, it pretty much put me to sleep.

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Didn't relize that was part of your sig ! I will change mine don't want to plagiarize............... too much anyway

It's not plagiarism--I don't have any copyright on the concept of media company terrorism . And beside, it's a quote of another member's post, as linked to. (If you follow that link you'll see me say that I'm going to quote it in my sig half a dozen posts later).

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To All: Thank you very much for helping me try to figure out this issue. I am very impressed with the professionalism and knowledge on this website. Although I have not resolved my issue fully, i have learned way more than i expected. I will play with network settings a little more but feel that a connected device may be my final answer. Chromecast or Roku 3 will more than likely be my choice. If i find any fix to the 720p limitation, i will post it for sure, But in the end.. thank you all!!
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It's not plagiarism--I don't have any copyright on the concept of media company terrorism . And beside, it's a quote of another member's post, as linked to. (If you follow that link you'll see me say that I'm going to quote it in my sig half a dozen posts later).
No matter crawl bots don't like certain stuff here anyway no prob. changed my sig back !

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Netflix has been behaving well around here 1080p super HD too! I think ATT is behaving now only because they probably don't want any controversy with the regulators while they are trying to buy Direct TV !

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Is it any better then last season? I have to agree with Mike, it pretty much put me to sleep.

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I liked this season better but they went about it differently than season 1. Problem is that episode 1 may not do it for you but 2 might. But you have to be at least "young at heart".
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To All: Thank you very much for helping me try to figure out this issue. I am very impressed with the professionalism and knowledge on this website. Although I have not resolved my issue fully, i have learned way more than i expected. I will play with network settings a little more but feel that a connected device may be my final answer. Chromecast or Roku 3 will more than likely be my choice. If i find any fix to the 720p limitation, i will post it for sure, But in the end.. thank you all!!
Get the $49.00 Roku 1 hockey puck or HDMI stick or one of the others great 1080p movie streamer 1 have 125 channels installed on one of my Roku greatest thing since sliced bread (lots of cool free channels (no porn though ☺) !
Crapcast requires a smart phone or PC to operate ....it's lame .

Note: ROKU 1 & 2 have the same SoC I.C. and work exactly the same just a few (mostly useless )features differentiate them . $99.00 Roku 3 has faster dual core SoC I.C other than that works the same ,same browser and everything !
If you have ~5 -6 mbps or better downstream ip connection you should get 1080p no prob.

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Your better off paying the extra $50 and just get a Roku 3 which has a much more powerful processor than the Roku 1 & 2.
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GNote: ROKU 1 & 2 have the same SoC I.C. and work exactly the same just a few (mostly useless )features differentiate them . $99.00 Roku 3 has faster dual core SoC I.C other than that works the same ,same browser and everything !
If you have ~5 -6 mbps or better downstream ip connection you should get 1080p no prob.
A major difference between the Roku 1 & 2 and the Roku 3 is that Roku 3 and the new HDMI stick have this Netflix UI, featuring Profiles and Netflix Kids support:


All other Roku models have the old "native" 2nd gen Roku Netflix UI (this) with currently no support for profiles. A Roku representative stated in their forums that neither they or Netflix could get the new UI to perform well on any of the other Roku models (though it performs well on the HDMI stick, which supposedly has the same processor at the same clock and same amount of memory as Roku 2 XS, 2 XD, HD 3000 and LT 2400). Since they've given up on that the hope is that they'll add profiles to the native Roku Netflix channel.

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Your better off paying the extra $50 and just get a Roku 3 which has a much more powerful processor than the Roku 1 & 2.
if you use Roku 1 a lot on the regular and private Roku channels I can see where that might be plenty faster ROKU one and 2 (2013 +) are much*way faster * than all the older and (pokey ) ones though no lag from entry of command to execution ( push button and wait ) like older Roku (they were hell-la of slow )

If you are just doing mostly Netflix and Amazon maybe Hulu plus or digital rentals , (probably no or very little difference if any ) maybe 3 will load faster on NF and AP ,H+ however the load times for those 3 channels and *some others aren't an issue on 1 and 2 however be advised You Tube is intolerably slow (bad) on 1 and 2 though don't know how it is on 3 '

Thing about CPU is this one is a 3.5 Ghz 4 core but it doesn't need all that for ip streaming or running a browser including Netflix website and multitasking in windows at the same time not even close .
(or anything else short of vidio transcoding or twitch gaming and photo edit ) even then you *could get by with less it just wouldn't be as fast at these things.

Newer 1 and 2 are fast enough in that they can scroll much much faster than you can read on Netflix ,H+ and Amazon , very pokey on You tube though (bad) all 3 have the same amount of installed memory..

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if you use Roku 1 a lot on the regular and private Roku channels I can see where that might be faster ROKU one and 2 (2013 +) are much*way faster than all the older and (pokey ) ones though.

The BCM7218 at 600 MHz (Roku 1 & 2) is not terribly much faster than BCM2835 at 600 MHz (Roku 2 XS, 2 XD, HD 3000 and LT 2400).

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removed dbl post ,I hate it when it does that

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The BCM7218 at 600 MHz (Roku 1 & 2) is not terribly much faster than BCM2835 at 600 MHz (Roku 2 XS, 2 XD, HD 3000 and LT 2400).
I had a 2 XS it was very pokey (bad I reset it and gave it away ) compered to new 1 and 2 ( I have both now )even though they were both 600 mhz.
The 3 isn't faster than 1 or 2 by any order of magnitude @900 mhz but it does have the advantage of 2 cores it might be much faster in *some instances *(maybe You Tube and some other Roku channels )

On Netflix/Amazon/and Hulu plus the newer 1 and 2 are *fast enough'*and spank most smart TV and BDP just saying long as you don't use You Tube ! I use PC or connected to TV on LAN or directly connected PC/TV for that ☺

IIRC I think Roku admitted You Tube is severely hobbled on 1 and 2 and older Roku .(it is) Hopefully it's much better on 3 (my phone can smoke 1&2 on You Tube ) that alone could justify the extra 50 bones for Roku 3 for a lot of folks

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I had a 2 XS it was very pokey (bad I reset it and gave it away ) compered to new 1 and 2 ( I have both now )even though they were both 600 mhz.
I can't speak to that, as I've never used a Roku 2, but my 2XS has never struck me as being "pokey".

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The 3 isn't faster than 1 or 2 by any order of magnitude

which'd be 1000 times faster

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...but it does have the advantage of 2 cores it might be much faster in *some instances *(maybe You Tube and some other Roku channels )

Most Roku channels are probably not CPU bound, thus the Roku 3 can only run them as fast as they will ever run on any processor. YouTube is written in web authoring languages (principally JavaScript) and runs on top of a web browser engine; it is CPU bound on the slower Rokus.

Below is a chart of all the Roku models running the Bogoloops benchmark. The BCM7218 @600 MHz (Roku 1 and 2) is 14.7% faster in that benchmark than the BCM2835 @600 MHz (Roku 2XS, Roku 2XD, etc). Roku 3's BCM11130 @900 MHz is 3.1 times as fast as the Roku 1 and Roku 2 (3.56 times as fast as Roku 2XS). Probably only YouTube and the new Netflix (also JavaScript on a web-tech engine) can currently utilize the speed.

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Clearly for You tube and Netflix that's a significant improvement from the 1&2 to the 3 .

I don't have a 3 to compare but can only
say IMO on Netflix /Amazon /Hulu+ / and some of the other Roku channel the 1 & 2 is 'fast enough' and still spanks a lot of other (most)embedded streaming devices .
OTOH the 1 & 2 are severely hobbled and intolerably slow on You Tube so in a lot of situations the extra 50 bones for the 3 would certainly be advisable

OTOH IMO if doing mostly Netflix /Amazon/ Hulu plus and some other ROKU the 1 & 2 can otherwise 'get the job done' in the real world in a manner that may not necessarily be reflected in bench marks and charts .
OTOH again if you want to watch You Tube the same day better get the Roku 3


I retired my XS just prior to I believe to be the latest ROKU major version update(within a day or so ) so maybe that had something to do with the the XS/1&2 variances in speed not to mention when XS got too hot every few days it had to be unplugged /re booted so that might have caused a performance issue as well .

Thanks for info and benchmarks interesting as usual

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