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post #31 of 60 Old 06-04-2008, 11:19 AM
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if you are serious, the only questions you should be asking are:
1. does anybody have a killer theatre i can visit to get ideas
2. can anyone reccomend good integrators i might be able to talk to.

If you indeed do not know about this stuff, and do have the cash to pay for it, you are not in any position to start trying to select what components you want.

Get some knowledge, find out what you want in a large scale sense,find out if you can afford it, then get folks who know what they are doing to build it.

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I have basic knowledge i have installed smaller theaters before. But when you start getting into a 18-20ft wide screen and all this high end stuff i have no experience in that area. If i was looking for the standard fair then i would not be here asking.

I thought i asked this but yes where can i find someone who has a theater i can visit? And i did ask if i could reccomend some good integrators.

Im not worried about affording it. But i have seen some people who have spent more then 1 mil on a home theater. I do not need laser disc, d-vhs and all that. To be honest a year ago i never thought i would be able to do something like this but now i can and i want to. But i dont see the need in spending 1 mil or even 500k if i can do what i want with 100k. This is my dream and i apologize if i have not asked the right questions or whatever but i am far from BS. I dont like when people waste my time and i will not waste anyones time here.

Just help me find people who i can get some ideas from their systems and so forth.
Its hard to explain this stuff. Im not stupid but this high end stuff is new to me
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start a thread then in the 20K forum asking if there are some high end theatres you can visit, PM a few members to see if they would open their room to you to see what they have going on. wine bribes usually work well.

Ask them who they used. go to the CEDIA website, find some award wininng theatres, find out who the integrators are, contact them. Look in google maps for home theatre in Kansas city, i just did so and a dozen or so companies popped up. call folks like stewart filmscreen and ask them for a highly reccomended dealer in the area...

All those things will get you moving well along the way.

Then and only then can you align your dreams with a budget.

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If you are real, which I have my doubts about, and are thinking of spending the type of coin you say, then it is imperative for you to go to CEDIA and see the projectors etc., in person.

If you don't have the time, or don't want to take the time, expect to be dissapointed....
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Peter,
What was the cost of the modded Barco including the service for the mods ?

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Almost double what donald speculates. There are warranty issues, different tiered pricing if it is going to be modded, and procedural red tape to track every part being modded, intellectual proerty payments for custom gamma curves, and the mods which required the build out of a clean room.

That being said when the next iteration of less expensive projectors come out, and when the techniques involved are repeatable, things could change. I know if you buy 4 units there is a nice price break.
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One really has to compare this unit to the Lighting reference at 120K, and the Runco sc-1 at 250K. The advantage here being the servo lens zoom.

I read that an unmodified unit with lens and stand in quantities sells wholesale in England for 79,000 British pounds. How much is that in dollars?
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Power Buy

Peter how about interval ownership, like a timeshare
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Not speculating, merely repeating what you mentioned previously;-).

In an earlier post you mentioned the 4-6 unit power buy would result in a price bracket of 60-90K USD. Before any mention of a powerbuy you wrote the complete set including dolby server was under 125K USD. According to one of the local exchangerate calculator websites this UK pricing equals 154K USD, and a few Euro short of 100K in real money;-).

So, the 65K USD Odyssey mentioned was for the stock version including lamp...

Went to look online for a local Barco distributor, found its website limited to just a frontpage. Guess what I found in the mail today a post card replicating its website (four-way split/fold card) saying the company is redesigning itself from an import company to a full-fledged integrator, http://www.inter.nl/, so no info on products or services to be found there. The only other integrator Barco mentions on its website that is also active overhere is Technicolor, not the most likely place if you're shopping for just a projector. So, no local pricing to compare.
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Power Buy

Peter how about interval ownership, like a timeshare

A basic 18K Lumens HD resolution Christie/Barco does 10K USD in rental per week, according the website of this rental place we were directed to in another recent thread (on the filmfestival), just to give you an idea (not sure if you do rentals besides custom installs).
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I was only joking
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Ok lets put this to rest once and for all.
I am very much going to do what i say i am going to do. maybe others want to play with people but i dont. If i didnt want to know i would not be in here asking.
I dont know what it matters anyway. It seems like 5 minutes to read a forum takes so much time that its horrible if someone were here not serious.

I have never been in a forum where people questioned if i was for real. But let me say this once. I am not here to just ask stupid questions. I take every bit of advice to heart . So can we get on with a discussion and stop the nonsense.
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One really has to compare this unit to the Lighting reference at 120K, and the Runco sc-1 at 250K. The advantage here being the servo lens zoom.

I read that an unmodified unit with lens and stand in quantities sells wholesale in England for 79,000 British pounds. How much is that in dollars?

I'm just trying to figure out how you did that theater for 250,00 USD when the projector alone ate more than half the budget. Did you get some free product to promote there ?

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The original target was that Art, then the owner decided to add the kitchen sink- it's close to double (the total) with the room build and chairs. Not at liberty to discuss further, Ill brief you here.
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The original target was that Art, then the owner decided to add the kitchen sink- it's close to double (the total) with the room build and chairs. Not at liberty to discuss further, Ill brief you here.

Thanks Peter, it just wasn't adding up.

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lovemymac -- no matter what you do, you're going to need to work with a dealer/installer/designer. I would also highly recommend that you get an acoustician on the job immediately because you're going to want good acoustics and that has to be part of the planning from the beginning. Often, your dealer/installer/designer will have an acoustician with whom he works -- make sure the acoustician is the real deal -- there are a lot of guys out there who will try to save you money and who think they can do the acoustics without an expert -- that's a sure sign you need to keep looking. Interview several home theater dealer/installer/designers in your area. Check their other work. If they haven't built a theater that is up to the standard you want, don't let them learn on your $$$, keep looking. Ask each one what he can build for $100,000 -- 200,000 -- 300,000.

If you are starting from scratch, from a shell, and building a theater, I highly doubt you will be able to do it right for 100,000 or less. Especially with the size screen and room you're contemplating. The acoustic treatments alone could cost you $30,000 or more and they will have to be hidden behind stretched fabric, which is also expensive to install. Having said that, a dealer/installer/designer should be able to help you set a budget or work within a budget you set.

You'll also find that most dealer/installer/designers have a limited list of products with which they work. These are usually a list of gear with which they have worked previously and have found to be reliable. You want to know this, too. Ask each one what brands of projectors they deal and what lines of audio gear.

Frankly, if you don't know this stuff, it is probably better that you find someone you can trust -- because he has installed other theaters that meet your standards -- set a budget together -- and let him do his thing and build your theater for you.

So, start interviewing designer/dealer/installers in your area. No matter what you want to buy, you're going to have to buy it from a local dealer anyway and you don't want to start the project, do not let anyone sheetrock until you've gotten a detailed plan from an acoustician, so locating a designer/dealer/installer and building a team that includes a contractor, your designer/dealer/installer, and your acoustician is your very first step.
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Well, I figure even if he isn't for real, someone else might read the thread and really need the advice.
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Well, I figure even if he isn't for real, someone else might read the thread and really need the advice.


I am glad someone has all the answers. NOT. Fallacy number one: The acoustician , Fallacy number two local integrator. All you need is a local electrician the rest you can get from a MOBILE custom installation design firm.

Our best systems were designed without acousticians, in fact some of them do more harm than good. Another fallacy is room eq, use the right kind of speakers positioned correctly and you will literally TURN IT OFF, as to having the dealer nearby, totally unnecessary if the design is solid from the first place.

Just recently we have designed , brokered, and coordinated systems, in South of Brazil, Halifax Nova Scotia and Las Vegas. The clients are ecstatic and have kept coming back for more.
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I didn't say the designer *has* to be local. I suggested starting by interviewing firms in his area. Certainly, if there's no one in your area capable of the type of theater you're after, you should widen your search. As for the acoustician doing more harm than a non-expert, I'm sorry, but that is defintely not my experience. Sorry if it has been yours. I've always assumed you had an acoustic engineer on your jobs. In any case, I am sure you wouldn't advise a home owner to start building the room himself with no thought regarding acoustics.
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Without allowing myself to go too crazy, i feel that it is crucial to respond to this comment above.

An acoustician or someone with proven knowledge about acoustics is vital to any serious project. Assuming that somebody can do a good job is as ridiculous as assuming that any electrician can do a good job. You need credentials so that you know they can do a good job and can back it up with actual knowledge.

Having an out of town Installation firm works when a person has multiple residences and they find a local firm they like and then have that firm do other residences. or you know and have a good working relationship with them. in most cases as well, if they are responsible they will partner with someone local to assist them in labour and to give you a sunday afternoon, "oh crap the game is starting and i have 100 people over" resource.

To start by looking at an out of town resource (unless they really bring something special to the mix) is a really bad idea.

Before starting any job, verifying known industry credentials is vital. Any monkey can hang a shingle, convince somebody to buy a Bugatti and then position themselves as a "high end automotive consultant" but that does not mean that they know the first thing about how to service it.

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I agree, that's why I wrote, "make sure the acoustician is the real deal." And, "Check their other work. If they haven't built a theater that is up to the standard you want, don't let them learn on your $$$, keep looking."
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As for local versus international, I would say it depends on the area in which you live and the type of theater you want. If you're building a $5,000,000 home theater, for example, it is less likely that you'll find a local guy with a binder full of $5,000,000 projects if you live in Tumbleweed, Oklahoma.
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No offense intended to the residents and fine home theater specialists in Tumbleweed.






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i was not responding to your comments rsbeck.

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That's okay, I still agree with you.
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We are getting ready to build a house and i am going to put in a dedicated room for my home theater. the plan right now is 23 ft wide and 29 ft long. But since we are still in the blueprint stage i can change this.

Here is what i want to do. at least 18ft wide and i dont know if i want to go with a constant image height or if i should go with moveable masking for when watching 1.78:1 and 1.85:1 movies.

18' wide at what aspect ratio?
How high is your ceiling?
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so I guess this thread died... hmmm
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Too bad ,yea. It would have been fun to work through it. Honestly though,an 18' screen in any aspect ratio would require a digital cinema projector. I personally feel that we should start with that part anyway. That is get the screen size determined then set up seating etc to that.

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These threads are good if they are genuine. All too often we see BS merchants wasting peoples time here. Fortunately they are normally very easy to spot. It may not appear as obvious now as a number of posts were deleted, but this guy was one of them.

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These threads are good if they are genuine. All too often we see BS merchants wasting peoples time here. Fortunately they are normally very easy to spot. It may not appear as obvious now as a number of posts were deleted, but this guy was one of them.

It sucks that people would come and troll this way (I will not say that the OP intended to do this) because quite rightly as a "newbie" you must overcome this impression.

That is not to say that people do not continue to be very helpful and accommodating to folks like me, but I won't post my "thinking of putting a 15/70 system in my conservatory" thread just yet!

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