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We are getting ready to build a house and i am going to put in a dedicated room for my home theater. the plan right now is 23 ft wide and 29 ft long. But since we are still in the blueprint stage i can change this.

Here is what i want to do. at least 18ft wide and i dont know if i want to go with a constant image height or if i should go with moveable masking for when watching 1.78:1 and 1.85:1 movies.

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Is there is a projector that will display such a large screen? or will i have to shrink my screen size? Next would be what size would i need to make the room in order to do this size.

I know that the cost will not be cheap. Thats ok.
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The one Wolfgang is pictured here demonstrating (Barco DP2000) would be one of the first choices.



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Is that really designed for a movie theater? it seems much larger then other Projectors. anything special you would have to do with this projector different.
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We know of ways to hot rod these babies and still get manufacturers warranties.

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Is that really designed for a movie theater? it seems much larger then other Projectors. anything special you would have to do with this projector different.

When you said an 18' screen you get outside the realm of consumer units just on shear lumen requirements.

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better question is can you stomach 100K of proj, power and cooling?

If so, keep asking questions.

If not, re-assess your priorities.

Just being honest.

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THAT FIGURE WILL DROP BY ABOUT OH 15k, ME CRYSTAL BALL SAYS COME AUGUST.
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well 100K is a little more then i wanted to spend. I was thinking about 30k or so. please explain more about cooling and power. Is there another projector i could maybe look at that might not require quite as much stuff?

Give me some ideas. i have never thought about this kind of stuff before. I always thought id be lucky if i got to spend 10k on everything from porj to speakers and the whole bit.
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For 30K you are limited to 12' maybe 14' wide max
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well 100K is a little more then i wanted to spend. I was thinking about 30k or so. please explain more about cooling and power. Is there another projector i could maybe look at that might not require quite as much stuff?

Give me some ideas. i have never thought about this kind of stuff before. I always thought id be lucky if i got to spend 10k on everything from porj to speakers and the whole bit.

30K for the PJ or total project. If PJ, whats the total?

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well shoot i guess i will have to up my spending.
I feel like if i am going to do this might as well go all out.

So any other projectors i should look at?
I dont know anything about installing this stuff where do you find someone to do this since its not typical home theater stuff.
Recommendations on audio and surround processors.
Screen recommendations since i would not know where to start looking for a screen this size.

What would be a good room size if i do 16ft to 18ft screen?
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30K for the PJ or total project. If PJ, whats the total?

i was thinking to spend about 30k on projector honestly i know know prices on all the high end stuff so i should not start spouting out i only want to spend x number dollars.. I dont know total i mean i have no idea where to even start on pricing. But i feel if we are going to do this might as well go all out. but i dont mean millions or anything. im thinking i have money to spend so i want good but i dont need everything. I have a blu ray player and hd dvd player already. i dont know sorry.

Tell you what lets go high end and stay under 500k
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if you are focusing on doing this right, you need to find some folks in your area and go see some systems. get some recomendations on integrators, there are many excellent ones all over the country, then get solid ideas of what you want to do, then figure out a budget, then start making decisions.

Under 100K you can have a killer system. many of the ones here with perhaps more modest screen sizes have easily done so... or for 500 you could have something crappy that would not measure up to far less expensive ones.

So getting a clear idea of WHAT can be done is key. have you thought about how it ties to the whole house, multizone video/audio, moving seats, control that ties into the whole house lighting, security, hvac, etc...

The infocomm tradeshow is in vegas in two weeks, it is a good place to start getting some ideas of what is possible... and it is in vegas.

For the money you are going to spend, take a trip to the Detroit area as well, see if you can finangle a look/listen and Art Sonneborn and theblands systems.

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I dont know if there are any really hard core home theater stores here in kansas city. I have been to a couple and they just dont seem to really have much. I mean i can be flexible on things but i do know that i want to look and listen first.
Cant go to vegas not right now so that wont work.

I dont need moving seats. I dont like those. I have home theater seating already picked out.
Home automation is a must but this tread is more about projector, room size and any other things i would need to consider to make my home theater be the best it can be
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If you were willing to accept a 16' wide 2.35:1 screen using a quality anamorphic lens to fill the whole screen width with all the PJ light, you could get by with "only" a $50k projector, like the Sim2 HD5000.

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My opinion is that if you want some great performance from the HT 5000 the OP screen size requirement is out of it's range.

On the StudeoTek 130 screen I'm down to between 18 to 19 fL at 14' wide after 300 hours on the lamp.

I think on my screen size it would be real tough to beat right now but going up two to four feet is a lot more real estate to light up and I would not recommend it.

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one question is maintenance. What kind of maintenance would be needed for either of these projectors?
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Hey coldmachine i dont know what you think is BS but i need answers. We are starting on our house in a few months so i have to be ready with equipment and what i want for my theater.
I am not going to sit here and brag about money but i have the money to do whatever i want. If that is what you mean by BS there is no BS here.

I really want answers to my questions. This site is to ask questions and allot of you know your stuff much more then i do.
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I know that on the Ht5000 they make a dual lamp version. Has anyone used this? I just wondered if it would be better then the single lamp version.
2nd question. Anyone experienced the curved screens? i would like to go that way over just the flat screen if possible.
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As i said before, if you are serious about the kind of system you want, and the money you want to spend, you need to find an integrator pronto. find other members with great systems, get recomendations.

You cannot do this yourself.

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I am responding to ILOVEMYMACS post in the Barco thread:

If you go with the Barco DCI unit I would suggest you use Peter, it looks like a very specialized install, and it would make no sense reinventing the wheel with another installer. Helene install is the bomb

That being said I tend to agree with CM about the authenticity of the OP, how does one go from a $30K projector to a $500K projector in 2 posts?
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not 500k Projector 500k total.
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I Can Do That.

In early 2006 while tediously cranking out Fujitsu Plasma Theaters in copious amounts, one lazy Sabbath I sketched out the theater shown below. (Cine)

Nowhere near my radar was there any possibility of me doing any serious HT builds. This goes to show the power of visualization, because one year later we would be drafting Helene, which is very very similar to the sketch.



[IMG]ttp://cineramax.com/images/DP2000.jpg[/IMG]

If you look at the original sketch I wanted to have a projection booth with the equipment racked underneath the projector.

Lo and behold see the attached Barco stand.

If I was doing a design from scratch I would use the Barco stand.






The similarity between the above image and cine (attached) is remarkable.


For your plan I would just copy the helene dimension proportions (to suit a 18 foot screen) and leave a 5 foot deep projection room behind.

Feel free to pm me with questions.

My gut feeling tells me that Barco will have a less expensive version of the DLP .98 chip projector. The NEW Christie digital 2000cm is a more competitive (15k less) unit with just 2kw. The compact chassis of the christie will work against it's stopping down potential. When you stop down the light pipe of these units the contrast increases. There are four things we are doing to these units to increase the contrast whilst holding the 2yr warranty.

The Barco chassis is much better engineered than the new christie, it is modular and a very powerful control architecture, they (Barco) are not going to engineer a smaller unit any time soon. I expect a watered down dp1500 to become available to compete with the christie.

They can limit the lamp to 2kw and it can then run on a 20 amp 120v single phase circuit. I am crossing my fingers a DP1200?? comes out soon, it is the ideal chassis for a Home Cinema projector. Also instead of having 65db of fan noise to cool down a 4kw lamp, it could be lowerd to 50 or so (just 2k cooling is needed).
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Helene was a cheap misstress, at only 250K USD, go figure what you could get for twice that amount;-).
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Helene was a cheap misstress, at only 250K USD, go figure what you could get for twice that amount;-).


At the end it ramped up, with everytthing including the room construction it is about that much.

But don't let the budget fool ya, synergy is rampant in that space.
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looks good. i do have a question. where is a good place to find an intergrator? and any places to connect with local people who have home theaters?
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At the end it ramped up, with everytthing including the room construction it is about that much.

But don't let the budget fool ya, synergy is rampant in that space.

We were already amazed at the 250K all-in budget you quoted for this theater, considering all the equipment and the external services you brought into its construction.

Okay, (just to get an idea, no budget here) what would something like the nice DNP walls you were showing, cost. Modded Barco could be had for 65K, according to a post by Oddysey. x pieces of DNP infinity at xK USD/Euro a piece. A few speakers, and a pc to play all of those downloads.
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Peter,
What was the cost of the modded Barco including the service for the mods ?

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You posts and post history make it very obvious you are totally FOS. Stop wasting good peoples time, and don't PM me again. You've made 36 or 10 posts, depending on what name were using, including....


"I just bought a house with a home theater allready in it. So all i need is the screen and projector. I want to do 1080p but i also want to do 2.35:1 and i dont want to spend a fortune either."

"We are getting ready to build a house and i am going to put in a dedicated room for my home theater."

"If i could only due to cost either get a 1080p projector or 2.35:1 screen and a 1080i projector?"

"Anyone experienced the curved screens? i would like to go that way over just the flat screen if possible."

You jumped from a $30k PJ to a $500k project in 1 post, but months ago you couldn't buy a PJ and screen. We see this crap too often here. LJG and I are far from the only ones to see it.

You asked me what I thought was BS, was it the money? Absolutely not, there are a good number of people who have spent far more than $500k. Some are into their audio alone for double that. That has nothing to do with it.

I am far from BS. I just dont want to spend 500k if i can get what i want for 100k. I have money but i do not know alot about this stuff. I had a house that had a home theater in it but nothing ever came of it because at the time i did not have the money to change it and when i had someone come look at it they said whoever put it in had no idea what they were doing.

Now i am making money own my own company and want to build a dedicated theater in the house. Why is it you ridacule me because i do not know things? i also did not go from 30k to 500k projector. If you read above i stated 500k project total. I changed it too because i really dont know what i want to spend. I just know i want excellent stuff but i honestly dont know how much to spend.
Like a post above said you can spend 500k and have crap and you can also spend 100k and have a great system.
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