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Can't say, but it is the really really huge Hollywood name. Yep the man himself ,his partner went with the meridian but he did not fall for the numbers game.

Congrats to him for taking the high MTF road.

And incidentally I had a chance to play with a Titan Reference projector and as good as this projector is (better color than the ht5000 IMO), these consumer sets are far from approaching the image portrayed by the Superkontrast.

There is simply no contest the Superkontrast conveys the 70mm look, these uhp 1080p 3 chippers ....no way.
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Peter:

hope he bought them from you and that you doing the install.
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Hi Lon,

Thanks , no I am not doing his systems but some good friends are. I am doing another big sports name but I can't say that name either, and it will be in a year...
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Too bad, anything new on the little brother DP1200?
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September but in late October they will be much quieter due to a fan speed software rev.

Needless to say that now been intimately familiar with the consumer and the d-cinema side of things, that little Barco is the unit to get for any serious HT. For a media room where you cannot have a separate booth the Titan, The Christie hd6km, the sim2's ae all fine since there are compromises involved, but for an all out home theater why would anyone in the right mind opt out of the last 35% in image quality. Because that large the delta is.

Another thing I want to mention (to steal Wolfgang's thunder for when he reviews the Christie HD6k) is that the motoriosed color correction filter invented in the Titan and now incorporated in the H6km does in fact work, the image looks closest to the dcinema projector at d65 on rec 709, but it comes at a cost of 25-30% ansi cr reduction.

The Barco on CinemaScope zoomed, due to the much better optics has significantly higher ansi cr. related mtf than the Titan Reference on CinemaScope zoomed let's say about a 20% difference, if you engage the color correction filter YOU WILL NOTICE a flattening of the image, the color gets better (for those used to the dci colorimetry which is subdued).

Also pixel resolvability is an issue with the home theater projectors at around 1 sw whereas it's not even an issue in the DCI brethren.

The one thing that is great about the Titan despite not having the servo zoom memory is that when if you position the projetor for dual aspect ratios at both ends of the lens range, that the sharpness is not affected anywhere the lens is. Another great thing is that if you change the zoom and tilt, there is no need to change focus, so it is relatively simple to change aspect ratio in a CIH screen by zooming and tilting, on the Titan and believe the HT5000.

Anotyher advantage of the Supercontrast is that when you open up the zoom, the lit areas above and beyllow the screen are barely noticeable due to the 14 bit balcker than black blanking, on tyhe consumer units it is 10 bit, severely more noticeable.
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So Peter how do you feel about the Christie HD 10-KM ?

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I like the idea of THE HD 10K mounted on the ceiling in a media room without air handling equipment, for a theater I'd rather get a cp2000m modded from christie, or a SuperKontrast.

Art it is obvious that Christie borrowed a lot from dpi Titan Reference dual 300 watt lamps in line, color correction filter, they have made two improvements on it the servo auto-iris and the intelligent lens. I am sure it is a great projector for a media room, but no way it will approximate the MTF and 70mm visual signature on Blue Ray.

The Titan 1080p reference calibration report had 3010 ansi lumens.

6,210 center brightness 1.0 center black level = full field cr. 6,260.

Pretty nice numbers, still I am and forever will be spoiled by the SK there is something about it that numbers ain't saying. That dp-1200 shure holds a lot of promise for High end HT.
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Peter have you tried the yellow filter on the titan, It did not look very good when I tried it.
Or I should say it did not look like xenon and the ANSI and brightness took a hit.
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Peter:

The DP1200 still requires a separate projection room for ventilation?
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Peter, have you personally seen the Meridian 4k projector?

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Peter have you tried the yellow filter on the titan, It did not look very good when I tried it.
Or I should say it did not look like xenon and the ANSI and brightness took a hit.

They have gotten these things working better now, closer calibration. Wether one like it or not it is personal preference but indeed it is closer to TIP7 autocalibrated DCI d65 rec 709 colors, which are not punchy and colorful but more or less subdued.

I forund the ansi cr. hit the same as that with the Isco. Not the brightness though and actually the isco could be beneficial to reduce pixel resolvability in a consumer 3 dlp.
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Peter:

The DP1200 still requires a separate projection room for ventilation?

That would depend on the lamp wattage, you may need air handling if not a separate room.
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Peter, have you personally seen the Meridian 4k projector?

Hi Adiodadi, No I did not see the Meridian version but the JVC on which it is based and it was setup with all the shading and color uniformity tweaks for a special demo of the Trident in 4k.

It looked like a g-90 on steroids to me, very nice but the ansi cr. suffered. I know the meridian processor has a pixel sharpener but I still can't imagine that would save the resultant MTF from putting an Isco in front of a 4k projector playing 2k. It should yield a third of the MTF of the Barco, and to someone that is used to the Barco it is the difference between looking like 70 mm to a giant g-90, it is a huge difference.
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Anotyher advantage of the Supercontrast is that when you open up the zoom, the lit areas above and beyllow the screen are barely noticeable due to the 14 bit balcker than black blanking, on tyhe consumer units it is 10 bit, severely more noticeable.

Are you talking about the bars in 2:35:1 material? If so, what does that have to do with bit depth? Are you calibrating so that the DMD mirrors are turning on for video black?

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That blanking is blacker in a DCI projector than it is on the Titan Reference. What does my calibrating have to do with that? They are both set where they need to be yet the blanking is much darker on the DCI, I really believe that is a bit depth advantage.
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Cineramax, have you personally seen this Meridian projector yourself?

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Another thing I want to mention (to steal Wolfgang's thunder for when he reviews the Christie HD6k)

You mean HD10K.

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is that the motoriosed color correction filter invented in the Titan and now incorporated in the H6km does in fact work, the image looks closest to the dcinema projector at d65 on rec 709, but it comes at a cost of 25-30% ansi cr reduction.

Isn't the notch filter located just after the lamp output, before the light integrator?

If it's the case, not being in the optical path, it cannot affect the ANSI CR.

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The yellow filter is after the light sensor for CLO and Dynamic iris, I doubt this suite is attached to the lamp. The manufacturer claims a light reduction as the side effect of engaging this filter.
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Does the HD10KM have this filter ?

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Yeah like described above.
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Is this high end enough? Not the newer DP2K but slightly older DP90. Screen width is 36feet.

and yes it is a personal home cinema
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Is this high end enough? Not the newer DP2K but slightly older DP90. Screen width is 36feet.

and yes it is a personal home cinema

Wow 36 feet, you have everyone beat. Very nice. Do I detect a curve in the screen? What is the source? Keep us posted as the rest of the room comes together.
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Congrats Ciputra, you are sending everyone back to the drawing boards with this Whopper!
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Yes AVS size king. Show us more.

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I'm going one step further, I've never seen a screen that large in a home installation.

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Good catch, I missed that. That gives the screen a new perspective. Thats huge. Now Im really interested in hearing about the source. Could be film. What else would hold up at that size.
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Good catch, I missed that. That gives the screen a new perspective. Thats huge. Now Im really interested in hearing about the source. Could be film. What else would hold up at that size.

Even 2K DLP if you sit 40' back.

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Good catch, I missed that. That gives the screen a new perspective. Thats huge. Now Im really interested in hearing about the source. Could be film. What else would hold up at that size.

The projector is a Barco DP90, which is the same as the DP100, except it has a smaller lamp power supply limited to 4kW lamp maximum. The source is probably DCI. The DP90 uses the 1.2" DMDs with the larger fill factor and you can sit .8x screen width.
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Hi All,
Yes i couldn't believe myself too when i first arrived at the site. All along i thought it was for a 'commercial cinema'. It is a project of our agent in Pakistan, my job there was just to setup the projector and to give hands-on training to the tech guys.
The screen is from harkness and yes allan it is curved . Believe it or not, there's no DCI sources, at least not yet. The image is from a bollywood DVD upscaled by PS3 . P7V2theater color is chosen. no s-curved nor peter's mod, we need all the light output we can have for this screen size. Lamp used is a 3Kw osram set at 110ampere to give a nice 14fl. Why a DP90?simply because when the customer ordered it, there's no DP2000 yet, two years ago. The projector too was kept in the dealer's warehouse for a year while waiting for the house to be constructed from ground up. Since it is a DP90, hence no HDCP for this. A cineversum master 2 scaler (basically a DVDO VP30) is used just as passthrough. The cineversum scaler can output to non HDCP projector in all its digital glory. The whole house automation includes multiple crestron touchpanels, 1080P LCD monitors and a few "Kaleidascape" systems. The speakers chosen is from tannoy and amps from rotel. Too bad the audio was not hooked up yet when i was there.
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