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E&S' 8K Laser Projectors Also Display 3D Content in HD

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Fresh off of JVC's 8K projectors announcement, Evans & Sutherland's newest laser projector, the ESLP 8K, not only displays a resolution of 8K in 2D, but also projects visuals in 3D as well.

Different from other lamp-drive projectors, the ESLP 8K laser projector displays quality that is apparently sixteen times 1080p HD resolution, with a 200% wider color spectrum, smoother playback and a miniscule environmental footprint. This laser projector is also the first one to display 3D content in 4K x 4K resolution, using only a single projector.

For those interested in checking out these high definition projectors for themselves, the ESLP 8K will be demonstrated at InfoComm this year, and will also be available on the market sometime during the second half of 2009. [E&S]

http://gizmodo.com/5261740/es-8k-las...-content-in-hd
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Lee this isn't DCI compliant, that's why you'll find the original release and discussion in the f=86 20K+ section not the f=185 DCI section.

The new ESLP can split the signal/processing/control in half to create two 4K x 4K sections, so even better that HD in 3D.
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i contact them and they will have live film action in 4x2k in 3d and
8x4k in 2d there.

may one reason to fligh to us this year in june

here are some infos:
http://www.es.com/products/displays/..._Datasheet.pdf

btw they told me today that the cr. the post are ansi cr. not on off cr.

lets see how good the unit looks.....
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If they specify ANSI cr that is remarkable! That beats even DLP in that metric. This is a surprise to me. I have always had the impressen that both on/off and ANSI was so so with GLV. This is exciting news.

In 2007 Sony increased the contrast of their GxL glv-based projector. They boosted the on/off to 34700:1 according to several articles.

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Wolfgang if you come to Florida you are invited to see Prometheus, it is in South Beach.


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Peter we told you so, quite some time ago;-).

Wolfgang, they have been in the planetarium 'theater' business for a long time, being the pioneer of the (calligraphic) video planetarium, instead of fixed Zeiss laser projectors, so perhaps they'll show Africa the Serengeti, or Invaders of Mars.
http://www.es.com/products/digital_theater/index.asp
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i will be there as well. maybe we can grab a beer peter.

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Sure thing.
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Peter we told you so, quite some time ago;-).

You and Mattias.
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Otherwise Jeremy just has to turn his late father's concerthall into a 7 million hometheater, and get on the cover of all of those magazines again;-).
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I will tag along but I will have to drink that beer when you twitter that your beers are going down.


Any chance the other planetarium giant Zeiss will be at Infocom with the Velvet. That would be like killing two birds with one stone.

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mattias
they guess the pr. will have above 5k:1 cr. on off.
so ok but nothing special.

peter
if i deside to come i will contact you.
how far is this set up by car from the show?

donalk
yes they told me the next best set up if i not go to
florida is london but not sure they have 4k 3d there as i think it was
a older version of the unit.

anyway this is a highlight of the next infocomm for sure.
hope they bring the speckle bug to a level that i can live with.

ohh i forgot the price. hope they can do the same there soon
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Wolfgang it would be interesting . 3 hours by car from Orlando to Miami on the autobahn , but you may want to spend one night in South Beach a fun place to see.
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but you may want to spend one night in South Beach a fun place to see.

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Wolfgang, the planetarium in London, was one of the first three ESLP projects E&S did. Well they ever had only three Planetariums up on the website. These are indeed the original ESLP, so with proprietary lasers, you probably still have the specsheet from previous discussions in 2007/8.
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If only the climate wasn't so depressing, would require massive BTUs, down there;-).
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Okay so what lasers are they using and do they have any plans on making a home version?


also who makes the chip?
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Mattias, not in the exhibitor list, not under the C either. Perhaps at a side event, like 3Dforum/Projection summit, but not on the main floor it seems: http://www.infocommshow.org/networkn...bitorList.aspx.
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E&S outsourced the lasers to Arasor/Novalux. It mentions NESCEL. Last year they said it was to reduce the cost of this second generation projector. E&S have never done anything for such lowly applications. But these units could be used in a HT, hey they are only 5K and 2K lumens, afterall;-).

Should be an E&S chip design, of course it may outsource the actual fabbing as it only needs a few of these GLV MEMS (3 per beamer)
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Okay so what lasers are they using and do they have any plans on making a home version?

E&S are strictly a very high end professional/commerical company (as far as sales).

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also who makes the chip?

I don't believe it is a chip. See the diagram in the link in the OP.
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Read again Lee it is a MEMS.
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Read again Lee it is a MEMS.

This?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MEMS

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Okay so what lasers are they using and do they have any plans on making a home version?


also who makes the chip?

ontill the use semiconducter laser that they can bring together
the units will be out of range for almost every home cinema owner.

i think it will take about 2 years that we can see a 4k laser pr.
that will find the way to some high end home cinema.

but good by this time they will not get only cheaper they will get
also better.
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The Novalux is a semiconductor laser. It has been shown in RPTVs since 2007 or so, see the Mitsubishi laser discussion we had recently. Mitsubishi using its own lasers, where Arasor has been trying get that business, demonstrating Mitsubishi RPTVs with its laser.

However this requires large output.

Wolfgang, this is the new cheaper model with chip lasers. Last year they said it would be cheaper than the existing one. Hard to be pressed to provide pricing guidelines, they indicated the system was 1.5 million USD, the beamer itself would be less than that figure, the new model be cheaper again, acording some of teh reports discussed here last year.

So, let's say this new 8K 5K lumens model is 1 million USD/Euro, that means it is fit for a few Hometheaters, for sure. As I jokingly said earlier, Jeremy could always apply for a new entry in the record books, make it the $7 million playstation system;-).
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It would be interesting to know how many manufacturers there are fabbing GLV-chips. I wonder if Sony and E&S source from the same company or if Sony can do it in house. I ask this since Sony has advanced the contrast of their GLV implementation, blazed GxL. By making the surface ultra smooth and by adding extra supporting structures to the ribbons the contast could be increased.

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Is there development for lasers suitable for D-cinema applications? Projector summit programs have indicated this as late as last year.

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Yup, so is the DLP chip. This grating light valve is like an eggslicer, 8000 wires that can block the light or not, the laser scanning along those wires.
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Ask Matthew Brennesholtz, that's the led/laser guy at Insight Media, the folks doing the Projection Summit. Old Talaria guy, and heading up Philips' LCoS projector development till Philips killed off all projection efforts, a several years ago.
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The Novalux is a semiconductor laser. It has been shown in RPTVs since 2007 or so, see the Mitsubishi laser discussion we had recently. Mitsubishi using its own lasers, where Arasor has been trying get that business, demonstrating Mitsubishi RPTVs with its laser.


However this requires large output.

Wolfgang, this is the new cheaper model with chip lasers. Last year they said it would be cheaper than the existing one. Hard to be pressed to provide pricing guidelines, they indicated the system was 1.5 million USD, the beamer itself would be less than that figure, the new model be cheaper again, acording some of teh reports discussed here last year.

So, let's say this new 8K 5K lumens model is 1 million USD/Euro, that means it is fit for a few Hometheaters, for sure. As I jokingly said earlier, Jeremy could always apply for a new entry in the record books, make it the $7 million playstation system;-).

yes i know but this laser have not enough power and so far one color
(forgeth which one) are very very low in power as they have to do some
tricks to get this color.


no it will be less than 1 million us but still to far from a cinema dlp.

and may when in 2-3 years from now this will be even a better system and
with a price more off us can afford how good than a single chip dlp
with led will be or other improvment are there and no one need this laser pr.
anymore.

when a lumis can hit today in the best case 20k on off and 900:1 ansi
(with the right lens when you get a good one)what such a unit can/will do in 2 years from now.

lets just say it can do 40k:1 and over 1200:1 ansi cr.
which room can show this?
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It would be interesting to know how many manufacturers there are fabbing GLV-chips. I wonder if Sony and E&S source from the same company or if Sony can do it in house. I ask this since Sony has advanced the contrast of their GLV implementation, blazed GxL. By making the surface ultra smooth and by adding extra supporting structures to the ribbons the contast could be increased.

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Is there development for lasers suitable for D-cinema applications? Projector summit programs have indicated this as late as last year.

i dont know but i doubt that we will see a laser driven cinema pr.
anytime soon.
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As mentioned last week in one of the DCI threads, in the US new DLP Cinema projectors are only being installed to double up existing projectors providing 3D.
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