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check out the new article, is this gonna be true? Cinemark seems confident that it is.
http://www.variety.com/article/VR111...ryid=1009&cs=1

Texas Instruments has announced that its "next generation technology platform" for digital projection will include a 4K option, providing four times as many pixels as standard 2K projectors, and it has already lined up exhibitor Cinemark to buy its 4K tech.

The platform will be available by year's end, with 4K to follow some time in 2010, depending on how quickly projector makers include it in their designs.

Alan Stock, CEO of 2,700-screen Cinemark, said TI's DLP platform will be "our exclusive platform of choice for 4K deployments."

TI does not manufacture projectors under its own name but licenses its DLP tech to Barco, Christie Digital and NEC. All become potential competitors for Sony Electronics, which has had the 4K d-cinema market to itself.

"When DLP cinema decided to do 4K, I think the reaction has been 'Wow, that's great, because we wanted DLP and now we have the option,' " said Nancy Fares, business manager for DLP Cinema Products Group.

Sony has pacted with AMC and Regal to outfit their screens with 4K projectors (Daily Variety, March 30). Sony has been a proponent of 4K filmmaking and projection at the studio and corporate levels, as has Warner Bros. Paramount has also released pictures in 4K.

Gary Johns, VP at Sony's Digital Cinema Systems division, said, "We feel 4K is the right resolution for this industry, and if TI has decided to endorse that resolution, we're happy they agree."

TI says its platform will improve color on DLP-based projectors and make them bright enough to show 3-D on 75-foot-wide screens.

Fares said the 4K DLP chip will be the same size as the standard 2K DLP chip already in use, which should make it easier for projector makers to adopt the higher-resolution standard.
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The platform will be available by year's end, with 4K to follow some time in 2010, depending on how quickly projector makers include it in their designs.

Thats pretty fast, sounds like they were sitting on this. Thank you Sony.
I wonder if this will also be available to consumer products. That would really be big news. Looking into the crystal ball TI releases consumer 4k $$$$$ and JVC/Sony fights back with Sub $$$$ 4k Lcos. Maridian 4k owners panic. It could be a good 2010 or 2011. Just in time, they say the worlds going to end in 2012.
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Yes ! You are right Alan, it looks like the pressure from Sony worked.

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I love it. Prayers have been answered. This opens a whole new level for the customization Market. I see more 4 way masking screens, and rear projection as we sit closer and closer.
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check out the new article, is this gonna be true?

Absolutely 100% categorically true, as predicted, and alluded to, previously on these very forums.

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Have they increased the number of authoring companies that can do 4K scans?

Without 4K content, 4K PJ's don't seem like that much of a big deal.
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Sony and Deluxe at the moment.

But the color grading system and the servers are scalable.
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Absolutely 100% categorically true, as predicted, and alluded to, previously on these very forums.



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I love it. Prayers have been answered. This opens a whole new level for the customization Market. I see more 4 way masking screens, and rear projection as we sit closer and closer.

Peter does this mean we will see a few used 2k Barcos with modded plates on the market soon
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Cinemark and Barco Sign Exclusive Partnership for the Delivery of Enhanced DLP Cinema 4K Digital Projection

This partnership continues Barco's position as leader in the Digital Cinema market in the years to come

http://www.barco.com/investors/en/Pr...asp?index=2348

Rancho Cordova, CA, 18 June 2009 -- Digital cinema pioneer Barco is proud to announce that Cinemark Holdings, Inc. (NYSE: CNK), the world's second largest motion picture exhibitor, has entered into an exclusive agreement with Barco. As part of this agreement, Cinemark is also partnering with the DLP Cinema product group from Texas Instruments (TI) (NYSE: TXN) and media server provider Doremi to secure the industry's best-in-class and brightest digital cinema solution. This group of partners, representing more than 100 years in combined cinema expertise, will employ the full spectrum of Barco's upcoming new family of enhanced DLP Cinema next generation 4K
projectors.

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Christie Introduces New 4K DLP CINEMA Product Line For 2010

Industry Leader Supports Exhibitors with Five New 2K & 4K Resolution Projectors

http://www.christiedigital.com/AMEN/...ineFor2010.htm

CYPRESS,Industry Leader Supports Exhibitors with Five New 2K & 4K Resolution Projectors

CYPRESS, CA - (June 18, 2009) - Christie, the world leader in digital cinema projection, is pleased to introduce the new Christie Solaria series digital cinema projectors, based on Texas Instruments' (TI) (NYSE: TXN) industry-preferred and proven DLP Cinema technology. The five new products in the series offer a wide range of resolution and brightness levels for exhibitors who require projection from the smallest to the largest screens. The new product line includes the Christie CP2210, Christie CP2220 and the Christie CP2230 - all available at 2K and 4K-ready; as well as Christie's premium 4K projectors for screens up to 100 feet: the Christie CP4220 and the Christie CP4230, delivering an unprecedented 30,000 lumens of brightness.

All projectors in the Christie Solaria series utilize Texas Instruments' next generation electronics which are designed to meet the Digital Cinema Initiatives (DCI) requirements. Each of the five projectors feature a new modular architecture for improved serviceability and ease of maintenance, an optional integrated media block, and incorporate Christie's Brilliant3D technology for the most realistic and brightest 3D presentations. Additionally, due to the ability to deliver higher brightness with lower power lamps, all current and next generation Christie projectors offer up to 25% lower cost of operation than competing technologies.

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Sony has now taken digital cinema to 4k,thank you Sony.

With 4K DLP on the table with plenty of brightness what will Sony do next? I am sure they expected TI to go 4K. I see little point in going to 8k which Sony is said to have had in the labs for years. I hope that Sony can push sxrd on / off contrast. Sxrd contrast is said to go up quite a bit in this years consumer sxrd projectors. What if Sony could reach 5-10k:1 with TI at 3k:1.
Going to laser illumination would be very marketably and provide real picture quality advantages and make good color uniformity easier to mantain.

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New York Times posting with comments: http://gadgetwise.blogs.nytimes.com/...rld-after-all/
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New York Times posting with comments: http://gadgetwise.blogs.nytimes.com/...rld-after-all/

One thing from that:

"Even digital IMAX theaters, Ms. Fares pointed out, successfully use TI's 2K technology."

I wonder if digital IMAX will move to 4K quickly and whether they will go with one projector or two if they do. Two 4K projectors might be tough to line up.

For home use I think some people might want to rethink whether an acoustically transparent screen is really worth it with a 4K projector.

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Cinemark and Barco Sign Exclusive Partnership for the Delivery of Enhanced DLP Cinema® 4K Digital Projection

http://www.dcinematoday.com/dc/pr.aspx?newsID=1469
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The official Cinemark press release: http://www.cinemark.com/pressrelease...eleaseItem=644
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I'm very happy to learn that Cinemark has selected a DLP solution. If Sony had won this deal, the writing would have been on the wall for DLP Cinema.
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that is good news and this only comes because sony make this
huge 4k pr. deal in cinemas.

but wait it will take about a year before we will see the first cinema 4k dlps
and if you now think you can see 4k in 3d you are may wrong as
this new 4k will offer 4k in 2d only and 3d at 2k.

but there is a solution.

buy two 4k dlp pr. and than you can see with double light out
4k in 3d

i guess now sony will comes with a consumer 4k at cedia 2009 and ti
will have the first 4k dlp consumer pr. at cedia 2010.
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Stay tuned for the 4K SuperKontrast...
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They better develop those 1080p to 4K scaling processors quickly, the ones at the show were pretty sloppy.
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Reports at Celluloid Junkie:

June 16, 2009 10:26 am
Sources Say TI Moving Toward 4K
http://celluloidjunkie.com/2009/06/1...ing-toward-4k/

June 17, 2009 11:21 pm
It's Official: TI Targets 4K; Cinemark Makes Deal
http://celluloidjunkie.com/2009/06/1...rk-makes-deal/

June 18, 2009 9:22 am
TI's 4K Announcement Causes Waves - Wither 2K Now?
http://celluloidjunkie.com/2009/06/1...wither-2k-now/
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Christie Introduces New 4K DLP CINEMA Product Line For 2010

Industry Leader Supports Exhibitors with Five New 2K & 4K Resolution Projectors

http://www.christiedigital.com/AMEN/...ineFor2010.htm

CYPRESS,Industry Leader Supports Exhibitors with Five New 2K & 4K Resolution Projectors

CYPRESS, CA - (June 18, 2009) - Christie, the world leader in digital cinema projection, is pleased to introduce the new Christie Solaria series digital cinema projectors, based on Texas Instruments' (TI) (NYSE: TXN) industry-preferred and proven DLP Cinema technology. The five new products in the series offer a wide range of resolution and brightness levels for exhibitors who require projection from the smallest to the largest screens. The new product line includes the Christie CP2210, Christie CP2220 and the Christie CP2230 - all available at 2K and 4K-ready; .... (See link for full release)

What does 4K ready mean in the qoute above?
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What does 4K ready mean in the qoute above?

Maybe that they can buy them with 2K chips and then upgrade to 4K chips later. With the same chip size it would seem like the optics would stay basically the same. I'm not sure how much they would need to swap out. Like whether there would be some stuff to go along with the DMD chips themselves.

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They seem to fit the 1.2 inch platform.
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Have they increased the number of authoring companies that can do 4K scans?

Without 4K content, 4K PJ's don't seem like that much of a big deal.

There are at least 20 facilities in Hollywood alone that can do 4K scans, color correction, and film out as well. The technology has been here since 2000! Just gets faster and cheaper on the processing side every year. DFT (Old Thomson/GVG) did introduce a new data only (no HD video option) scanner at 2009 NAB with a $600k price tag. The previous Spirit2 introduced in 2003 did 4K at a $1m price tag. The Northlight always did 4K (6K native) and the new ArriScan came out a couple of years ago. The Arri film recorders could always do 4K.

4K DI has actually been around few a few years already. The question is how many features will do a full 4K DCI path. More and more as it gets cheaper.

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I tried coercing my contacts into pumping Barco for info. They say the press release is a little bit of the jump in the gun for 18 months deliverables..

The projector will integrate 4 TI boards into one, including the media block. The projectors optics will be designed to handle both sized chips which are 1.2".

IOW No hd sdi connection, it will be a card inside the projector connected via network to the storage device.

They gave me the new Micron dimension of the pixels which are obviously reduced, but I forgot.
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Do people think this announcement is premature?
Do you guys expect products early in 2011 and not in 2010?

Over at Film-tech.com people doubt that TI will have a real 4096x2160 dmd. They point to the new electronics announcement from March which seem to go along with this 4k announcement. In March there was no talk about 4k!

I hope TI comes through with a 4096x2160 dmd at 1.2". That must hurt fill rate to some extent.

I also hope that both the TI and Sony are ready to push lasers in 2011. That could solve the brigtness problem for Sony provided that lasers can be made powerful enough. Lasers equals less panel hurting heat and just the light you want.

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Doremi Cinema to Build 4K Integrated Media Block for DLP Cinema® Next Generation Electronic Platform

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Industry leader Doremi Cinema announced today it will repackage its current 4K server technology into a 4K integrated media block (IMB) for DLP Cinema® next generation electronics. This will secure a full solution for Texas Instruments’ and their OEM’s upcoming 2K and 4K projectors.

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Over at Film-tech.com people doubt that TI will have a real 4096x2160 dmd.

Maybe that just shows that AVS has better sources.

Its not open the merest suggestion of debate, its absolute fact. Its been in the works for a while.

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I tried coercing my contacts into pumping Barco for info. They say the press release is a little bit of the jump in the gun for 18 months deliverables..

The projector will integrate 4 TI boards into one, including the media block. The projectors optics will be designed to handle both sized chips which are 1.2".

IOW No hd sdi connection, it will be a card inside the projector connected via network to the storage device.

They gave me the new Micron dimension of the pixels which are obviously reduced, but I forgot.

No, they will have to implement an option for multiport HDSDI or DVI. The projector is going to have to interface with the DI facilities. We run uncompressed, not play off some MPEG cinema server. And TI is well aware of this and will certianly accomedate it.

I agree it should be an option as a commercial theater venue would not need those ports.

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OK, how do we get this confirmed that it's real 4K with over 8 MP and not some clever frig?

I can't believe that these companies would risk their reputations by claiming 4K that, well, isn't really.

The pixel pitch is the real key. What is it?

Are there some 'lurkers' here who can confirm that we really are talking a genuine, non-frigged, non-wobbulated, no tricks 4K?

I really want this to be true!
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