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I am still a bit confused about the SMX Cineweave HD material. I read a couple reviews that are linked from the SMX website and the reviewers mention a slight herringbone pattern on white content. Can anyone confirm the material has been revised or of they have dealt with this "issue". Thanks.
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I am still a bit confused about the SMX Cineweave HD material. I read a couple reviews that are linked from the SMX website and the reviewers mention a slight herringbone pattern on white content. Can anyone confirm the material has been revised or of they have dealt with this "issue". Thanks.

gl360, I can confirm a perfect performance in picture and service, absolutely compelling if you pay attention to some special notes
The phenomenon mentioned needs long throw distances or is due to an unperfect setup. The only thing to think about is light output, you should have enough resources.
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Peter,
That is a nice video but really is directed at how to make a living in commercial cinema only.

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Yes, It is kind of institutional. Chrisitie and Nec are now trying to modularize and go Windows based remote. Barco lead the way with that.

I am all pumped up though by the new Series 2 PJ's, huge paradigm shift. TI has blown me away with the Foresight shown on the IMB board of the series 2. They freaking read my mind while daydreaming about of SK enhancements.

Pretty exciting times...


One thing that makes a huge difference is perfect center registration. Which you had but most don't, the DCI projectors have a great advantage there.

I'll post more screen-shots from the 196" wide wall projected image. Whomever painted this building knew exactly what kind of paint to get.
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Yes, It is kind of institutional. Chrisitie and Nec are now trying to modularize and go Windows based remote. Barco lead the way with that.

I am all pumped up though by the new Series 2 PJ's, huge paradigm shift. TI has blown me away with the Foresight shown on the IMB board of the series 2. They freaking read my mind while daydreaming about of SK enhancements.

Pretty exciting times...


One thing that makes a huge difference is perfect center registration. Which you had but most don't, the DCI projectors have a great advantage there.

I'll post more screen-shots from the 196" wide wall projected image. Whomever painted this building knew exactly what kind of paint to get.

You are quite a salesman...and I mean that in the best possible way. Your passion (err.....obsession....don't we all know a little about that) shows when you speak about the products. These PJ's you are showing are creating a really vivid and deep image. Pretty mind blowing for Front Projection. If I was a multi-millionaire I would definitely hire you. Or even a $500,000aire with no wife!
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gl360, I can confirm a perfect performance in picture and service, absolutely compelling if you pay attention to some special notes
The phenomenon mentioned needs long throw distances or is due to an unperfect setup. The only thing to think about is light output, you should have enough resources.

I will be at about a 13 foot throw with an Epson 8500 or a Panny 4000. What do you think.
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Thanks GB.

I think the SMX will be fine with the Panny. Perfect application for the PRO-Panels.
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Wow only 15 fL from a Barco DCi, guess you reduced it to make the freeze frame blur less obvious;-).
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It's a SuperKontrast a lot of light gets tossed out. Besides it is 128 square feet area.
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The red light appeared so much brighter, and I realise the light gets tossed, and this probably isn't the biggest of the lamps that may be fitted even in the 1200, hence the smiley.

The difference in the dual screen picture is quite noticable, deep dark gray vs light gray catsuit in that cartoon, take away the reference and the wall simply looks good.
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Yes, It is kind of institutional. Chrisitie and Nec are now trying to modularize and go Windows based remote. Barco lead the way with that.

I agree when it comes to modular architecture, but NEC projectors had Windows control software right from the very beginning, even the IS8-2K had it.

You can spec a small Windows CE touch screen embedded PC if you want, but it is expensive and useless because DCC (Digital Cinema Communicator) is free, and runs on any XP machine with a LAN port and screen resolution higher than 800x600.
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Wow only 15 fL from a Barco DCi, guess you reduced it to make the freeze frame blur less obvious;-).

Donald, I am sharing lumens with Peter, at the moment I am driving around 35fl, so you should rate us both at 25fl
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I will be at about a 13 foot throw with an Epson 8500 or a Panny 4000. What do you think.

GL, sorry for being late. Panasonic will work and has the ILS, which once was an exclusive superkontrastic feature... btw I am located in Europe and the SMX crew did an outstanding job.
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Donald, I am sharing lumens with Peter, at the moment I am driving around 35fl, so you should rate us both at 25fl

So, you got a new screen from the Sim2 UK folks, and awaiting a new projector Peter is beaming over some of that Floridian glow;-).
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Donald, I am sharing lumens with Peter, at the moment I am driving around 35fl, so you should rate us both at 25fl

So what kind of lumen output do we get from the modded Barco ?

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There are three .98 Barcos. The DP 1200 or 12 in series 2 with 2kw lamp, the DP-1500 or 15 SII with 3KW, and the DP-2000 or 20 in SII with up to 4KW.

In addition the 1500/15 and 2000/20 CAN be outfitted with a servo lamp house for dual 2/D and 3/D without having to shuffle a pair of lamp-houses back and forth.

You can be very aggressive in the Kontrast enhancement phase and throw away up to 2/3'd of the light (wouldn't recommend doing that with a 4KW to prevent possible nuclear meltdown).

The SuperKontrast shown at the show and now here at the lab is putting out half of Normans 35 (14 ft Lambert), whereas non modded it would have been double that (on a 196 wide at least 30FL). The aggressiveness of the modifications are adapted to the customers screen area.

The series 2 have a board that will take hdmi 1.4 in in 4k or 3-D making it very easy to show Blue Ray 3-D with the right 3-D kit. And we are talking THE BEST 3-D on the planet PERIOD!!! Not what get's passed for quality 3-D at the shows.

So someone considering a SuperKontrast may want to look at one of the bigger boys to be safe for Blue Ray 3-D.

The only advantage of the DP-1200 over the 1500/2000 was the SuperKonvergence. That feature goes across the board with quadrupled bandwith on series 2. Out this year for orders with deposits.

There is even one 1.38" 4k upgradeable bigger unit with the same Tiger-2 profile that was the .98" SuperKontrast signature profile indubitably designed by Barco's Anne-Mie Van Elsen . Best looking Monster projector. It's name? trade secret.
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So what kind of lumen output do we get from the modded Barco ?

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Art: output before shipment at 3.800l (full power, calibrated). No measurements yet, but I am assuming that I am having around 35fl on a 12ft wide 2.40:1 screen, 2.0 Xenon driven at 1,8. According to Wolfgang the output will be reduced 30% in 300h and then I should be in a 20-25fl ballpark (he rates the "final" output around 2.400l).

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Thanks Peter and Norman for the detailed information.

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The series 2 have a board that will take hdmi 1.4 in in 4k or 3-D making it very easy to show Blue Ray 3-D with the right 3-D kit. And we are talking THE BEST 3-D on the planet PERIOD!!! Not what get's passed for quality 3-D at the shows.

it will be not helpfull as you cant display 4k
with a 2k dlp and the upgrade is not the 0.98" platform its only
the big 1.2" dmd cinema pr. that will get very likely the the 2 to 4k upgrade.

so every dp 1200 dp 1500 and dp 2000 even in series 2 will NOT
work with the 2k to 4k upgrade!

its also to early to say that this series 2 pr.can do 3d from blue ray
as the 3d bd standart is still not decided till today.

you are sure that the series 2 will get a hdmi 1.4 input???

if yes that will be nice and opens the possiblity to see 3d bds
with this pr. "IF" the deside the right 3d bd standart possible next month.

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i am already impatient to see and measure your cr. and compare it
with my unmodify dp 2000
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NICHT KORREKT HERR PROFFESSOR!

Oh yes you can. It turns out that there are two 4K chips, with two different upgrade delivery dates (one better defined than the other).

The first upgradeable projectors from Barco to come to market are the the DP2k-XX .98", these should be upgradeable sometime after 2012. Shipping beginning of 1st Q. They ship soon but are upgradeable after the big one.

The second upgradeable projector for Barco is the DP-3000 replacement (the big Kahuna shown behind closed doors with armed guards and all ) ships End of 1st Q 2010. That is the one that will be delivered to Cinemark in 18 months with ENHANCED 4K.

Enhanced 4K means a 2 part signal: 2k + the differential component (to show the extra resolution). The 4k enhanced server technology will be available next year.

BOTH 1.38" and .98" platforms are enhanced 4K ready, they all have the same bandwidth. Both WILL BE UPGRADEABLE, it's just we know when the 1.38" happens(which is 2011 the other is when TI decides). But the road map and product upgrade-ability is there.

The new series 2 .98 can do stereo 3-D 60 fps TRIPLE FLASH 180 ( that just left the Titan 3-D spinning back there on the floor with it's measly 120 double flash).

The HDMI connector is not on the projector per se, although the dual DVI's will accommodate the high bandwidth 3-D triple flash over DVI now.

The Blue Ray 3-D is clearly going to have both kinds of 1080p60 and 1080p24 (the chipmaker guy in the other forum has stated so)

The hdmi is not in the projector (although the badwidth is all there)The HDMI 1.4 is in the IMB. The HDMI in the IMB replaces the dual dvi stereoscopic connection and will also take in 4K. The IMB has a PCI express connector from the storage vault then the audio comes out with the correct delay out of the projector.

So to recap all new series 2 Barcos will be upgradeable to 4K at one time or another, if you live long enough.
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norman
i am already impatient to see and measure your cr. and compare it
with my unmodify dp 2000

Wolfgang:
I know, but please give me the chance to complete room and setup, I don't want to get excommunicated as soon as the pope leaves his cathedral and inspires such a small chapel
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yes its very likely that the new 3D bd Standart will output 2x 60 and 2x 24p but that a series 2 dlp pr. will work with this system is not clear right now.

as the pr. have no hdmi 1.4 input it can be a huge problem.

how you feed for sample 2x 24p 3d signal to the pr. as this signal
will have hdcp on?
it will be not helfull that the pr. have hdcp as you need to convert the
signal first.

so lets hope that all comes this way you discribe it as at least there is a is possibility that my barco dp 2000 can do 3d from this new bd 3d player.

about the upgrade from the new 0.98 series2 pr. to 4k.
i think it a little bit to early to talk about.

most of insiders from christie barco told me they not believe that 2010 they can ship the first 4k pr. and it will be first q.2011 or later.
i never ever saw that a manufacturer is on time with sutch things.

lets hope that the christies 4k pr.will be at next show west next year
as targeted to show first time the 4k dlp to the public.
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nice.....

yes for sure i will change it some day but i will not buy any 2k pr. i will be
wait for the 4k dlp pr.
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Epson concocts world's first 4K HTPS panel, 4K 3LCD projectors closer to reality

http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/09/e...-projectors-c/
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SMX perf screens with velour backing







For a while I was thinking that the white wall was looking better than the samples, but once they held the Black velour behind it,2 screen surfaces excelled.
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This with D-Box and triple flash 180 3-D shall be the gamers nirvana.







aprox 170' wide
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This movie is tinted a la sixties

186" wide

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Excellent screenshots Pete!

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